Loipon prokatavolika sas zhtaw SYGNOMH poy 8a skisw ton santos, opws den ekana pote ws twra. Den ftaiw egw, ftaiei o rabitweed kai o blueyes
o prwtos me tsiglhse gia sxolia, o deyteros sxedon me ekviase proospika na 8esw ta “epixeirhmata”.
Kanonika 8a akoly8oysa thn odhgia toy charips.
KSEKINAW ME OMOLOGIA: Exw empa8eia ston Santos. To omologw edw mprosta SE LOYS TOYS 600+ poy diavazoyn to forum. Egw pisteyw oti einai dikaiologhmenh h empa8eia.
KATA DEYTERON symfwnw me ton Santos sta aytonohta: Se ayto poy eipe px, ama exeis 10 kentrwoys paixtes den mporeis na kanei endekada. Fysika symfwnw kai se alla apo ayta poy eipe, mono poy gia mena allh einai h oysia.. Na pw poy diafwnw, rizika.
ï÷é äçëáäç ðåò ìáò ìå åðé÷åéñçìáôá ôé áðï ôéò ðáñáðáíù äçëùóåéò óå êáíåé íá ðéóôåõåéò ïôé äåí å÷åé ó÷åóç ìå ôçí ðñáãìáôéêïôçôá; Ôé áëëïðñïóáëï åéðå ï Óáíôïò;
Ôá åðé÷åéñçìáôá ðåñéìåíïõìå ôá äéêá óïõ ãéá ôéò äçëùóåéò Óáíôïò Þ êáé üðïéïõ Üëëïõ óõìöùíåß..
åðßóçò íá åðéóçìÜíù üôé ôï ãåãïíüò üôé öÝôïò ç ïìÜäá äåí åß÷å óôü÷ï ôá ðëåé-ïö áëëá ôçí åîõãßáíóç äåí ôï åâãáëå áðï ôï ìõáëï ôïõ ï Öåñíáíôï áëëá åéíáé ôï ó÷åäéï ðïõ ôïõ ìåôåöåñå ï Èïäùñáò. Ôïõ ÷ñïíïõ ÏÕÅÖÁ êáé ôïõ ðáñá÷ñïíïõ íá åéíáé ìåóá óôï ðáé÷íéäé ãéá ôéò 2 ðñùôåò èåóåéò. Áõôï åéíáé ôï ó÷åäéï Æáãïñáêç ðïõ óùóôá åêáíå ìå âáóç ôçí ôñáãéêç ïéêïíïìéêç ìáò êáôáóôáóç..
Den xreiazetai na to les 2 fores. 2 fores den xreiazetai na to les. 8a apantoysa oytws h allws. Oytws h allws 8a apantoysa. Aplws ta prwta moy post ta ekana sta grhgora apo th doyleia. Apo th doyleia ta ekana sta grhgora ta prwta moy post .
Exei shmasia na akoysete th synenteyksh , yphrxe dialogos me toys dhmosiografoys, parathrw oti den yparxei poy8ena OLH h synenteyksh, alla kai na yphrxe, to touch (entelws prosopiko kai ypokeimeniko) toy live den 8a antapokrinontan sthn pragmatikothta. O santos platyaze, ampelofilosofoyse, aerologoyse, epefte se antifaseis, anairoyse polles fores ton eyato toy.
Oyte ayto poy 8a sas pw egw den prepei na to 8ewrhsete dedomeno, se kati poy leei kapoios o ka8enas dinei thn dikh toy ermhneia. Akoma perisootero ayto ginetai ston grapto logo, opws allwste exete diapistwsei polles fores se ayto to forum.
Apantw loipon blue eyes:
Einai ektos pragmatikothtas dioti:
a)Eipe gia apoxorhseis, paramones KRISIMOY paixnidioy, dinontas voytyro sto psomi dhmosiokafrwn na proteinoyn h na fantastoyn onomata kai na kanoyn vavoyra. {Malista paradexthke oti fhmes apoxorhsewn den einai kalo gia thn omada (!)}:
paradeigma 1:
http://www.athlitiki.gr/vortal/content/view/3018/1/lang,el/ Ïé ðñïôåéíüìåíïé óôïí ÐÁÏÊ…
paradeigma 2:http://www.cpress.gr/article.php?art=53654 Óôü÷ïé, «öåõãÜôïé» êáé... åðßèåóç
paradeigma 3:
http://sports.e-go.gr/article.asp?catid=8220&subid=2&pubid=868501&tag=7950 ÐëÜíï ôñéåôßáò ìå... áðï÷ùñÞóåéò
b)den katalave oti h enisxysh toy Ianoyarioy, sth "dyskolh" agora toy xeimwna htan ena foylarisma ola gia ola mpas kai vgoyme sta play off. Eipe gia ta play off men “nai pame gia to kalytero” alla den fanhke na to pisteyei, na mh pw oti prosopika moy edose thn entyposh pos 8a mas to kanei dwro, dhladh xarh! Oreos timonierhs! Aytos 8a dosei orama stoys paixtes? Aytos 8a toys empneysei to “pneyma nikhth”?Aytos 8a sta8ei efamillos ston titanio agwna toy Teo?Gia pollosth fora edose entyposh “vlepontas kai kanontas ”Prosopikh moy-hpia- gnomh:Tsapatsoylhs. . Epishs DEN mas eipe telika POIOS htan kat' ayton o fetinos stoxos? TO XTISIMO OMADAS? An nai, POIES HTAN OI KINHSEIS TOY gia to xtisimo ths omadas, prow8hse kanenan paixth gia paradeigma? Eide paixtes ths deyterhs omadas? Pws diaolo doylepse O IDIOS, aytos o latrhs ths doyleias , o ergasiomanhs? PWS? Exei kanei polles dhloseis gia th doyleia, alla o idios TI doyleia epitelei? POION PAIXTH PROW8HSE? Ton A8anasiadh? Poy thn mia H8ELE na ton dosei daneiko, thn ALLH ton ypoxrewse h doihkhsh NA MHN TON DWSEI DANEIKO, meta dhlwse oti ton empisteyetai afoy apoxwrhse o Vryzas, kai KATOPIN pote den ton xrhsimopoihse? Kai gamw thn organwsh kai thn me8odo kai th “sklhrh” doyleia kai to systhma…
c)Einai allo pragma na ksekinas thn epomenh saizon apo thn 6h 8esh kai allo apo thn 9h. Opws kai sth formula1. Gia pollosth fora moy deixnei pws kataskeyazei allo8i gia ton eayto toy.
d)H anafora sto intertotto (poy kanena site DEN anefere, oyte ayto ths PAE) edeikse pws einai arnhtika diate8imenos. Eipe nai men “8a to doyme, den einai ths wras” alla ekleise thn synenteyksh me paradeigma portogalikhs omadas poy vghke Uefa mesw intertotto kai kindyneyei me ypovivasmo. Nwritera omws eipe kai tonise oti o PAOK akoma ki an teliosei to prota8lhma apo ton Aprilio oi paixtes DEN 8a ka8ontai!!!! (ena mhna mono 8a exoyn diakpopes , eipe!). Den mas eipe omws TI 8a kanoyn. Kai lew egw "o proponhths ths kerkidas" HOMO PAOKUS mia geloia protash. Afoy soy perisseyoyn paixtes, etoimase toys "deyterous" mono gia intertotto kai AN pame UEFA, vale toys kanonikoys (vlepe kai parakatw).
e)Tonise gia arketh ora to “pleonasma”paixtwn. Eipe sthn arxh oti 30 einai polloi. Meta eipe pos 25 einai kai aytoi polloi, den mporei na ginei sosto programma proponhshs (proponhsh shmainei ma8aino podosfairo kai lipo8ymhsa). Panw se ayto exw na pw pws ante, na paravlepsw pws paravlepei to ti traymatismoys eixame fetos, ti eidoys peiramata ekane o idios ekshgwntas ta ki olas. 8a pw pws epsaksa ta site olwn twn omadwn poy mas kavalane sthn va8mologia kai eida kai allwn 2 sthn tyxh poy einai katw apo emas: iraklh kai atromhtoy.
Ektos apo skoda kai roylh, OLES oi alles exoyn roster me meso oro 30 paixtes. Opoios 8elei to tsekarei. Anarwtiemai loipon giati ekane toso eidikh anafora, tosh wra, gia to roster poy prepei na exei o PAOK oson afora ton ari8mo ton podosfairistwn. An malista epikalestw paliotera eixe pei pws to swsto roster einsi 20 (!!!) paixtes prosopika vgazw to symperasma pws den kserei oxi mono ti toy ginetai alla den 8ymatai kai ti dhlwnei. DHLADH EKTOS PRAGMATIKOTHTAS. Gia to teleytaio, dhladh tis syxnes antifatikes dhloseis toy perimenw kapoion na me prokalesei na kanw ksexwristo post. Apla edw mia palioterh para8esh:
¸÷ïõìå 24 ðïäïóöáéñéóôÝò êáé üëïé åßíáé ðïëý êáëïß. Åãþ âÝâáéá èá ðñïôéìïýóá 20, ãéáôß ìå ðïëëïýò ðáßêôåò äåí åßíáé åýêïëï íá äïõëÝøåé êÜðïéïò. Åßíáé êáôáíïçôü íïìßæù üôé åßíáé ðéï åýêïëï íá ðåñÜóåéò ôç öéëïóïößá óïõ óå Ýíáí ìéêñü áñéèìü ðáéêôþí. Ôþñá ç êáôÜóôáóç åßíáé äåäïìÝíç, ï ÄåêÝìâñéïò ùóôüóï åßíáé êïíôÜ êáé èá áíáèåùñÞóïõìå ôá ðñÜãìáôá.
ÓÜíôïò ãéá ôïõò ðáßêôåò ðïõ èá öýãïõí
Palaioterh dhlosh Santos.
"Ðñïöáíþò äõóêïëåýåé ç êáôÜóôáóç üôáí Ý÷ù íá êÜíù ìå 30 ðáßêôåò. Ïýôå óôéò ðñïðïíÞóåéò åßíáé åýêïëá. Åßíáé ìéá êáôÜóôáóç ðïõ ðñÝðåé íá áðïöýãïõìå ðÜóç èõóßá óôï ìÝëëïí. Äåí åßíáé èåôéêÞ êáôÜóôáóç ãéá êáíÝíáí. Ïýôå ãéá ôçí äéïßêçóç ðïõ äßíåé ðåñéóóüôåñá ëåöôÜ ãéá ðåñéóóüôåñïõò ðáßêôåò áëëÜ ïýôå êáé ãéá ôïõò ðáßêôåò ôïõò ßäéïõò. Ðïëëïß åßíáé åêôüò 11Üäáò. ÁíáãêáóôéêÜ 9-10 ðáßêôåò èá ìåßíïõí åêôüò áðïóôïëÞò. Êáé ïýôå ãéá ôïí ðñïðïíçôÞ åßíáé åýêïëï, åéäéêÜ óôéò ðñïðïíÞóåéò. Ï ó÷åäéáóìüò ðñïðïíÞóåùí ìå 25 ðáßêôåò åßíáé ðïëý äýóêïëïò. Ãéáôß êáôÜ ôé ãíþìç ìïõ ðñïðïíïýìáé óçìáßíåé áðïêôþ ãíþóåéò. Åßíáé ìéá êáôÜóôáóç ðïõ ðñÝðåé íá áëëÜîåé óáöÝóôáôá.
Shmerinh dhlosh h parapanw.
Kai gia ta ypoloipa poy eipw8hkan apo alloys filoys:
Htan stoxos ta playoff? To UEFA?MONO H EKSYGIANSH HTAN STOXOS?
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Èïäùñçò Æáãïñáêçò
Öåôéíïß óôü÷ïé:
¼ðùò Ý÷ïõí Ýñèåé ôá ðñÜìáôá, åßíáé ðéèáíü áêüìç êáé ç ôÝôáñôç èÝóç íá ìçí åîáóöáëßæåé ôçí Ýîïäï óôï ÏÕÅÖÁ. Ãéá Éíôåñôüôï äåí Ý÷ïõìå óõæçôÞóåé áêüìá ìå ôïí ê. ÓÜíôïò.
Ðáðáäüðïõëïò: Áêüìá êáé íá êåñäßóåé áãùíéóôéêÜ ôçí Ýîïäü ôïõ óôï ÏÕÅÖÁ ï ÐÁÏÊ, åßíáé ðëý äýóêïëï íá åêðëçñþóåé ôïõò üñïõò ôçò ÏÕÅÖÁ. Èá ðñÝðåé íá êáëõöèåß ïëüêëçñç ç ÁÌÊ. Ïðüôå ðéèáíüôáôá äåí èá ìðïñÝóåé.
Èüäùñïò: "ÌùñÝ áò âãïýìå åìåßò Åõñþðç, êáé èá ôç âñïýìå ôçí Üêñç ìå ôçí ÏÕÅÖÁ"..
ï ßäéïò åßðå óå Üëëç óõíÝíôåõîç üôé óôï ôåëåõôáßï åîÜìçíï ðåñßìåíå íá ðáßæïõìå ðïëý êáëýôåñá êáé üôé äå ôï êÜíáìå.
Åëðßæù óôï ôÝëïò ôçò ôñéåôßáò íá ìçí ëÝåé ôá ßäéá.
Ôïí óôçñßæïõìå üëïé üóï ðÜåé.
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ELPIZW 8ELW....
Åßìáé åîáãñéùìÝíïò ìå ôïí åáõôü ìïõ, äéüôé ðåñßìåíá âåëôßùóç áõôïýò ôïõò 6 ìÞíåò, ðåñßìåíá äéáöïñåôéêÜ ðñÜãìáôá áðü ôçí ïìÜäá. ÂÝâáéá åßíáé äýóêïëï üôáí ðñïóðáèåßò íá áëëÜîåéò ðïëëÜ óå ìéá ïìÜäá, íá ðáßñíåéò êáé âáèìïýò. Èá Þôáí äéáöïñåôéêÜ åÜí Þôáí óôçí ðåñßïäï ôçò ðñïåôïéìáóßáò»
Egw na deis… Egw poy omologhsa oti eimai empa8hs me ton santos, na to parw ayto ws omologia apotyxias?H na to parw san eilikrinh dhlosh aytokritikhs?Na pw pws kalyptei ton kolo toy me dikaiologies? H na anagnorisw an8rwpo poy paradexetai ta la8h toy kai leei thn alh8eia?Pragmatika me kanei na psaxnomai ayth h dhlosh, oyte na ton kremasw 8elw, oyte na ton a8wwsw (an yparxei eksapathsh). DEN KSERW, PRAGMATIKA…
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O northeagle:
O Ëéíåí ïôáí ðãå óôïí íéïíéï óôïí ðñùôï ãõñï çôáí ðñïôåëåõôáéïò,ôï áêïõôå 
ðñïôåëåõôáéïò êáé áðï êåêåé êáé ðåñá áíáôñáðçêáí ôá ðáíôá.Åêáíå ìåôáãñáöåò äéêåò ôïõ,åóôçóå ôçí ïìáäá óôçí ðñïåôçìáóéá êáé ãéá ôï ìåãåèïò ôïõ ðáíéùíéïõ êáíåé ðïëõ êáëåò ðïñåéåò.
Åãù äåí äéåêäéêù ôï áëáèçôï óôïí Óáíôïò,ï éäéïò åðåéäç å÷åé áñ÷éäéá åéðå ïôé áðï äéêá ìïõ ëáèç åéìáóôå 6-7 âáèìïõò ìåéùí áëëá íá îåñïõìå ôé ëåìå.Ïôáí áêïõóôçêå ôï ïíïìá Óáíôïò ãéá ÐÁÏÊ åéðá "Ù÷÷÷÷" áëëá åêáíá ôïõìðåêá êáé áíáôñåîôå óôï ôïðéê ïðïõ ìå ôïí king óáëôáñáìå,ÁËËÁ ôùñá åéìáé 2 öïñåò ðåðåéóìåíïò ïôé áí ôïõ áíáëïãåé ìéá åõèçíç áõôç åéíáé êáðïõ óôï 20% (êáé áõôï ìïíï êáé ìïíï ãéáôé äåí ôïõò å÷åé óêéóåé)
Ï Óáíôïò åéðå ïôé áí ôïõ ÷ñïíïõ äåí êáíïõìå Ðñùôáèëçôéóìï(ï÷é íá ôï ðáñïõìå áëëá íá åéìáóôå óôçí äéåêäéêçóç)
öåõãåé ÷ùñéò ìéá.Ôé ðéï ôéìéï êáé ðïóï ìáëëïí ðéóôåõåé óôïí åáõôï ôïõ.
Çñåìá ëïéðïí,ëáèç êáíåé ïðùò ïëïé ïé ìáóôïñåò áëëá áí êáé ôá åñãáëéá óïõ åéíáé óêïõñéáóìåíá êáíåéò ðáñáðáíù.
Áñèñá óáí ôïõ Ãêéíá óôï contra åéíáé ðïëåìïò,ïðïéïò äïõëåõåé óôéò ðñïðïíçóåéò ðñåðåé íá ðáéæåé.Ïðïéïò ðáåé óå êáèå ðñïðïíçóç êáé âëåðåé ïôé ï Óáíôïò áäéêåé êáðïéïí áò ôï ðåé õðåõèçíá
PARADEIGMA 1:G.X proth xronia, sernetai, troei kai 2 kokkines, me osfp, Benfica. Thn epomenh VGAZEI MATIA.
PARDEIGMA 2:Bane Prelevic: Proto match 0/8 triponta, enas meiwmwnhs nohmosynhs paixths poy shkwnetai apo opoy na nai kai soytarei triponta. Aytopepoi8hsh h trella? H istoria egrapse……..
Dexomai pos polli paixtes arxika den edeiksan ayto poy einai.
ELA RE FERNANDO SANTOS, KANE ME ROBA, NA NTREPOMAI NA MILAW SE EGOIST, BLUE EYES, DIEGITO, ALAMANA, APOSTOLO MANOS4 kai alloys KAI TON GIGANTA PAOKCURE, ANAGKASE ME NA PARAITH8W APO TO PAOKWORLD KAI NA KANW PLASTIKH EGXEIRHSH PROSOPOY KAI AITHSH METANASTH STN VRAZILIA,,,,,
PAME PAOK OLE AYRIO, GIGANTAS PROEDROS, GIGANTAS LAOS, NANOI PAIXTES, NANOS PROPONHTHS, ANTE MPAS KAI PAROYN LIGO APO TO MPOI MAS.
AMA 8ELEI O TEO 5 XRONIA SANTOS, 5 XRONIA 8ELW KI EGW. 8A TON KRAZW EDW MESA, METAKSY MAS (oyte 600 den eimaste…. ) KAI P-O-T-E STO GHPEDO. H PERHFANEIA POY MOY EDOSE KAI EKSAKOLOY8EI NA MOY DINEI O TEO WS HGETHS TOY PAOK EINAI Y-P-E-R-A-N-W APOTELESMATWN KAI FILOSOFIAS.(?) SANTOS. ORKISTHKA YPOTAGH STON TEO GIATI YPHRETEI ME MEGALO PROSOPIKO KOSTOS THN IDEA.. TON PISTEYW GATI EINAI ENAS APO EMAS.
ps gia apostolo mono: 8a doyme sto telos poios einai o "axaristos": aytos poy den 8ymatai poy htan perysi, ti stoxo eixe dioikhtika kai synexize na akoympaei ton ovolo toy, h aytos poy phre en leykw ta kleidia, ton paxylo mis8o paroysiazontas mhdeniko ergo kai kataxrasthke thn empistosynh epikaloymenos synexws trieties. 8a metrhsoyme poios einai IKANOS na voh8hsei thn titania prospa8eia toy Teo. An einai aytos h an einai o allos.
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