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agraf · « **Reply #500 on:** June 06, 2006, 16:28:44 »

E ohi kai 80 ek. evrw...
To kostos tis Allianz Arena itan 350.000.000 €
Pantws oute ki egw katalava ti thes na peis!

IronEagle · « **Reply #501 on:** June 06, 2006, 16:42:31 »

To pososto pou "xreo8ike" i omada (fc bayern muenchen) einai 80.000.000 eyro !!!!! De gnorizo ean sinebale sto poso kai i omada tou 1860 Monaxo kai an exei to dikaioma na paizei kai ayti ekei (...pou den to nomizo, nomizo einai ka8ara gipedo tis bayern) !!!!

8elo na po , mprosta sta palatia tis Ellados (gayra'i'skaki , kaytatzogleio, pankritio klp.) deite ti exoun kanei ekei, kai deste tis maketes pou etoimazoun stin Ellada, gia bazelo larssa klp. kai epi ton pliston, ekei pou 8elo na katalikso...... (an kai eimai akoma yper tou Savvidi)

POU EINAI RE SI KARNTASI, TA DIKA SOU SXEDIA KAI OI DIKES SOU MAKETES GIA TO GIPEDO POU 8ELEIS NA XTISEIS, OSTE NA "KAPILOSEIS" TO DIKO MAS PRO'I'PARXON GIPEDO , OPOU KOSTOLIGITE TOULAXISTON 100 EK. EYRO....!!!!

Ayto re paidia.....

(kala de ta leo o poustis....? ? ? ?)

agraf · « **Reply #502 on:** June 06, 2006, 17:20:06 »

Mias kai tethike to zitima:
Oi dio omades tou Monahou valane to idio poso kai paizoune kai dio. EInai sinidioktites. Prosfata omws agorase i Bayern to meridio tis Monaho60 kai twra i Monaho 60 einai me enoikio (pistevw).
I Toumpa den kserw an kostologeitai 100.000.000 alla to oikopedo kai to stadio kai ta mellontika esoda apo afto einai ontws polla! Sigoura pio polla apo 18.000.000...

Suicidal · « **Reply #503 on:** June 06, 2006, 17:39:41 »

basika sto 8ema ths allianz arena (parepiptontos: GAMW thn asfaleia allianz... logou mias -mallon dikastikhs- diamaxhs!)
8a mporousan px. oi conan kai babis oi opeioi einai kai arrwsta '60er na mas dwsoun ta fwta tous.
etsi apla gia thn istoria, giati....

....to 8ema einai to allo bebaia.....
oti apo OPEIA pleyra kai na to deis ws twra (oso poio nhfalia ginete)
o savvidis ayth thn stigmh pataei se mia kilida apo salia, ta opeia tou exoun fygei
apo to stoma mono pou akouei tous orous PAOK/GHPEDO/OIKOPEDO !

kai den 3erw pws 8a 3emple3oume! re sabbidi, kamia maketa re, kana sxedio re, estw gia arxh kai kana sxedio
kanenos proponitikou kentrou, kati telospanton re dike mou.....

aetopoulo · « **Reply #504 on:** June 06, 2006, 20:46:21 »

loipon gia na ksekatharisoun orismena pragmata.
340.000.000 kostise to gipedo

1.-dimiourgithike mia Anonimos eteria (GmbH) pou anoiki 50% stin 1860 kai 50 stin bayern
2.-40.000.000 ta edose mia kratiki Trapeza (Landesforder anstalt des staates bayern)
auto pou den gnorizo einai ean einai entelos dwrea i an einai ena atoko daneio.
3.-twra ta upoloipa 300 ta esproksan me omologa (san daneio) i allianz,i dresdner bank, kai i hypovereinsbak.
diladi mia asfaleia kai duo trapezes.
i allianz arena agorase ta dikaiwmata gia 30 xronia dinonta kathe xrono peripou 10.000.000
giauto to gipedo legete allianz arena
4.- i anonimos eteria (vlepe pio pano)pou diaxirizete to gipedo (kai tis anoiki fusika) einai
upoxreomeni na plironi epi 22 xronia 30.000.000 piso gia to daneio(upologismenoi kai oi tokoi)
5.- i 1860 fetos edwse san enexuro stin bayern to 50% kai pire 11.000.000 gia na parei adeia sumetoxis sto neo prwtathlima tis B Liga.
6.- mexri to 2010 prepei na exei epistrepsi auta ta xrimata allios to 50% katasxeete apo tin bayern,mexri tote i 1860 tha sunexizi na plironi
kanonika to meridio tis

otidipote allo thelete rotiste.

IronEagle · « **Reply #505 on:** June 06, 2006, 22:15:04 »

Telika pio einai to prgamatiko poso pou plirose / xreo8ike i beyern ? ? ?

Georgie-4- · « **Reply #506 on:** June 06, 2006, 23:19:53 »

Πανω απο 60 % του γηπεδου φτιαχθηκε με λεφτα του γερμανου φορολογουμενου.
Ενα 15 % εβαλαν τραπεζες και αλλοι πιστωτες..αναμεσα τους και ο ΟΤΕ της Γερμανιας..οποτε μιλαμε παλι για λεφτα γερμανου φορολογουμενου.
Και η Bayern και Muenchen 1860 εβαλαν συνολικα 22 εκ ευρω, δηλαδη 11 εκ εκαστος για να φτιαξουν την εταιρια που εκμεταλλευεται το γηπεδο, στην οποια ειχε χορηγησει δανειο η Bayern 75 εκ ευρω και το παιρνει τωρα πισω εντοκα.

Οι απαλλοτριωσεις και η υποδομη κοστισαν στο γερμανικο κρατος 200 εκ ευρω
Το γηπεδο αυτο ειναι ΣΚΑΝΔΑΛΟ, ενα νεο Καραισκακη δηλαδη

diegito4 · « **Reply #507 on:** June 06, 2006, 23:31:57 »

Quote from: BillYpoglwssioS on June 06, 2006, 17:39:41

re sabbidi, kamia maketa re, kana sxedio re, estw gia arxh kai kana sxedio
kanenos proponitikou kentrou, kati telospanton re dike mou.....

giati kati mou leei oti an ginotan kati tetoio oloi tha vgainan kai tha legan"KOITATE RE MALAKES OLA ETOIMA TA EXEI O APATEONAS,AKOMA DEN MAS PIRE KAI TA ORGANOSE KAI TETOIA..?"

northeagle_4 · « **Reply #508 on:** June 07, 2006, 00:04:43 »

Georgie-4- ego vevea efyga prin polla chronia apo germania alla apo osa thymame i telekom akoma ke tote iche apokratikopoiiythi an den kano lathos opos ola stin germania apo gasag,post ag ktl diladi milame gia idiotikes eteries stis opies vevea to kratos katechi akoma megalo pososto metochon.akoma stin germania prepi na tonisoume oti o kathe germanos forologoumenos echi na epileksi metaksi 3-4 tilefonikon yperision i opies den chreonoun ke pagio telekom opos edo me ton ote ara iparchoun epiloges oste o sindromitis na pai allou.vevea os katikos germanias ise pio enimeromenos gia to ti pezi sto paron.
gia mas vevea odigos ine to stadio tis dortmund pou kostise 46 ek euro me 60000 horitikotita,amvourgou AOL arena 97 k euro me45000 choritikotitake annoverou me 64 ek euro ke 40000 choritikotita.oson afora tin germania vevea i piges ina apo tin kathimerini tis kyriakis.

IronEagle · « **Reply #509 on:** June 07, 2006, 01:31:41 »

Quote from: IronEagle on June 06, 2006, 16:03:01

ENNOO OTI ME PRO'I'POLOGISMO 80 EK. EURO , DEITE TI EKANAN AYTOI KAI PERIMENO AKOMA NA DO, PIA 8A EINAI TA DIKA MAS SXEDIA.......!!!!

Kai oso gia tous tixarpastous sto lamogio-kratos pou zoume....., sas leei kati i onomasia tou gipedou... ? ? ?
Analabe to xtisimo kai ta eksoda mia IDIOTIKH EPIXEIRISH gia apoklistiko logo THN DIAFIMHSH kai MONO !!!!!

(Alloi bazoun diafimistika plakat, alloi pali "agorazoun" tileoptiko xrono, kai alloi pali xtizoun ktiria MONO KAI MONO GIA NA DIAFIMISTOUN !!!!!)

Quote from: agraf on June 06, 2006, 16:28:44

E ohi kai 80 ek. evrw...To kostos tis Allianz Arena itan 350.000.000 €
Pantws oute ki egw katalava ti thes na peis!

Ayto ennoousa re @agraf auto pou episimane o filos @goeorgie-4

Quote from: Georgie-4- on June 06, 2006, 23:19:53

Ðáíù áðï 60 % ôïõ ãçðåäïõ öôéá÷èçêå ìå ëåöôá ôïõ ãåñìáíïõ öïñïëïãïõìåíïõ.
Åíá 15 % åâáëáí ôñáðåæåò êáé áëëïé ðéóôùôåò..áíáìåóá ôïõò êáé ï ÏÔÅ ôçò Ãåñìáíéáò..ïðïôå ìéëáìå ðáëé ãéá ëåöôá ãåñìáíïõ öïñïëïãïõìåíïõ.
Êáé ç Bayern êáé Muenchen 1860 åâáëáí óõíïëéêá 22 åê åõñù, äçëáäç 11 åê åêáóôïò ãéá íá öôéáîïõí ôçí åôáéñéá ðïõ åêìåôáëëåõåôáé ôï ãçðåäï, óôçí ïðïéá åé÷å ÷ïñçãçóåé äáíåéï ç Bayern 75 åê åõñù êáé ôï ðáéñíåé ôùñá ðéóù åíôïêá.
Ïé áðáëëïôñéùóåéò êáé ç õðïäïìç êïóôéóáí óôï ãåñìáíéêï êñáôïò 200 åê åõñù
Ôï ãçðåäï áõôï åéíáé ÓÊÁÍÄÁËÏ, åíá íåï Êáñáéóêáêç äçëáäç

Safos emeis den mporoume na dosoume dekara tsakisti os daneika, alla emeis mporoume na baloume enexiro to gipedo pou IDI EXOUME......!!!! Opote me tin akiniti perousia pou katexei aytin tin stigmi o PAOK kai me diafores xorigies apo diafimistes klp.,

........DESTE TI MPOROUME NA FTIAKSOUME !!!!!

http://de.search.yahoo.com/search/images?fr=FP-tab-img-t&ei=ISO-8859-1&p=allianz+arena

bL-4-cK_religion · « **Reply #510 on:** June 07, 2006, 15:21:08 »

ksekollate reeeeeee.....oneiraaa kai oneiraaa phgane xamena.....ante ksypnhste giati poly mas barese sto kefali...

IronEagle · « **Reply #511 on:** June 07, 2006, 15:37:07 »

Quote from: bL-4-cK_religion on June 07, 2006, 15:21:08

ksekollate reeeeeee.....oneiraaa kai oneiraaa phgane xamena.....ante ksypnhste giati poly mas barese sto kefali...

Ououuouopppsss , sorru re file, pragmatika ksefiga me to pro'i'goumeno post mou.....!!!!
Alla san skeptiko kalo akougete, afou de blepoume pou de blepoume ekselikseis , afiste mas toulaxiston na oneireyomaste.....!!!!!

aetopoulo · « **Reply #512 on:** June 07, 2006, 15:37:40 »

Quote from: IronEagle on June 06, 2006, 22:15:04

Telika pio einai to prgamatiko poso pou plirose / xreo8ike i beyern ? ? ?

ta 300.000.000 dodikan i as to poume alliws ta ependusan i allianz kai oi duo trapezes
stin anonimi eteria pou dimiourgithike apo 1860 kai bayern me omologa to opoion simenei sigouri ependusi.gia na dimiourgisis mia anwnimi eteria stin germania
prepei na katavaleis 25.000 € i na ta parousiasis se uliko.i anwnumos eteria einai upoxrewmeni na apoplironi kathe xrono 30.000.000 gia 22 xronia gia uta ta omologa
ta opoia ta pernei misa misa apo 1860 kai bayern.To opoion simeni pos oi duo omades tha exoun plirwsi 660.000.000 se 22 xronia.
dia tou 2 simeni 330.000.000 o kathe enas.to opoion simenei meta apo 22 xronia tha exoun to gipedo diko tous xwris xrei pleon.

aetopoulo · « **Reply #513 on:** June 07, 2006, 15:51:10 »

Quote from: Georgie-4- on June 06, 2006, 23:19:53

Ðáíù áðï 60 % ôïõ ãçðåäïõ öôéá÷èçêå ìå ëåöôá ôïõ ãåñìáíïõ öïñïëïãïõìåíïõ.
Åíá 15 % åâáëáí ôñáðåæåò êáé áëëïé ðéóôùôåò..áíáìåóá ôïõò êáé ï ÏÔÅ ôçò Ãåñìáíéáò..ïðïôå ìéëáìå ðáëé ãéá ëåöôá ãåñìáíïõ öïñïëïãïõìåíïõ.
Êáé ç Bayern êáé Muenchen 1860 åâáëáí óõíïëéêá 22 åê åõñù, äçëáäç 11 åê åêáóôïò ãéá íá öôéáîïõí ôçí åôáéñéá ðïõ åêìåôáëëåõåôáé ôï ãçðåäï, óôçí ïðïéá åé÷å ÷ïñçãçóåé äáíåéï ç Bayern 75 åê åõñù êáé ôï ðáéñíåé ôùñá ðéóù åíôïêá.

Ïé áðáëëïôñéùóåéò êáé ç õðïäïìç êïóôéóáí óôï ãåñìáíéêï êñáôïò 200 åê åõñù
Ôï ãçðåäï áõôï åéíáé ÓÊÁÍÄÁËÏ, åíá íåï Êáñáéóêáêç äçëáäç

oson afora to gipedo den plirose kanenas ma kanenas oute 1 €.o OTE tis germanias einai pleon idiotiki edo kai liga xronia eteria kai den einai pistwtis para mono sponsor
epomenos pali den plirose o forologoumenos.ta 25 kai oxi 22 xiliades kai oxi ekatomuria ta evalan oi duo omades gia na dimiourgithi i anwnumos eteria pou diaxeirizete to gipedo
uparxoun se autin tin eteria 3 dieuthintes kainis apodoxis 2 apo bayern kai enas apo tin 1860.
i bayern twra diethese 40.000.000 eurw se auti tin eteria xwrista gia diasfalisi se periptosi pou kati pai strava kai ta opoia 40 tokizonte kanonikotata.
twra stis apalwtriwsis kai upodomi sumfono pws plirwse-plirwni o forologoumenos,alla oxi tis germanias para mono tou monaxou,kai pithanon tis Babarias.
stin germania douleuoun ta pragmata diaforetika (prosopiki mou apopsi polu swsta)apo oti stin ellada.oi foroi oi opoioi katavaloun oi forologoumenoi paradeigma stin babaria menoun kai stin babaria kata to megalutero pososto kai ena meros apo auta paei stin kentriki kasa.
san na leme twra osoi forologounte stin makedonia ta lefta menoun stin makedonia kai ksodeuonte gia tin makedonia. eipate tipota

pavlosk · « **Reply #514 on:** June 07, 2006, 16:19:43 »

Ta 340.000.000 Euro einai gia to ghpedo.
Epileon to kratidio ths bauarias kai h polh tou monaxou edwsan alla 210.000.000 Euro gia xwrotaksikes ergasies, gia allages stous autokinhtodromous A9 kai A99 ka8ws kai gia tis grammes tou metro kai gia tous sta8mous tou trenou.
H asfalistikh allianz edwse ena terastio poso, akougetai pws einai panw apo 100.000.00 Euro, gia na parei ta dikaiwmata ths onomasias tou ghpedou.

Nomizw omws oti exoume ksefugei ligo....milame gia Allianz arena to pio monterno ghpedo ths eurwphs auth th stigmh. Yparxoun kai alla ghpeda pou den kostisan toso kai einai eksisou kala!
150.000.000 to ghpedo ths schalke 61.000
87.000.000 ths Mönchengladbach 54.000 + 10.000 parking

Opoios psaxnei plhrofories mporei na tis brei sto www.stadionwelt.de
pavlosk

bL-4-cK_religion · « **Reply #515 on:** June 07, 2006, 16:43:16 »

iron_eagle entkasei re seis kales oi analyseis alla auth thn stigmh kaigomaste re paidia...kai milame gia xrhsh tou ghpedou kai oxi pwlhsh ths ektashs...i ektash anoikei kai tha anoikei ston AS paok...o opoios kata thn gnwmh m tha prepei na mhn exei atoma mesa ths dioikhshs ths PAE tou kathe epixeirhamtia...gia logous asfaleias kai akeraiothtas ths katoxhs ths ektashs sta xeria tou paok....

IronEagle · « **Reply #516 on:** June 07, 2006, 17:22:47 »

Quote from: aetos2kefalos on June 07, 2006, 15:51:10

Quote from: Georgie-4- on June 06, 2006, 23:19:53
Ðáíù áðï 60 % ôïõ ãçðåäïõ öôéá÷èçêå ìå ëåöôá ôïõ ãåñìáíïõ öïñïëïãïõìåíïõ.
Åíá 15 % åâáëáí ôñáðåæåò êáé áëëïé ðéóôùôåò..áíáìåóá ôïõò êáé ï ÏÔÅ ôçò Ãåñìáíéáò..ïðïôå ìéëáìå ðáëé ãéá ëåöôá ãåñìáíïõ öïñïëïãïõìåíïõ.
Êáé ç Bayern êáé Muenchen 1860 åâáëáí óõíïëéêá 22 åê åõñù, äçëáäç 11 åê åêáóôïò ãéá íá öôéáîïõí ôçí åôáéñéá ðïõ åêìåôáëëåõåôáé ôï ãçðåäï, óôçí ïðïéá åé÷å ÷ïñçãçóåé äáíåéï ç Bayern 75 åê åõñù êáé ôï ðáéñíåé ôùñá ðéóù åíôïêá.

Ïé áðáëëïôñéùóåéò êáé ç õðïäïìç êïóôéóáí óôï ãåñìáíéêï êñáôïò 200 åê åõñù
Ôï ãçðåäï áõôï åéíáé ÓÊÁÍÄÁËÏ, åíá íåï Êáñáéóêáêç äçëáäç

oson afora to gipedo den plirose kanenas ma kanenas oute 1 €.o OTE tis germanias einai pleon idiotiki edo kai liga xronia eteria kai den einai pistwtis para mono sponsor
epomenos pali den plirose o forologoumenos.ta 25 kai oxi 22 xiliades kai oxi ekatomuria ta evalan oi duo omades gia na dimiourgithi i anwnumos eteria pou diaxeirizete to gipedo
uparxoun se autin tin eteria 3 dieuthintes kainis apodoxis 2 apo bayern kai enas apo tin 1860.
i bayern twra diethese 40.000.000 eurw se auti tin eteria xwrista gia diasfalisi se periptosi pou kati pai strava kai ta opoia 40 tokizonte kanonikotata.
twra stis apalwtriwsis kai upodomi sumfono pws plirwse-plirwni o forologoumenos,alla oxi tis germanias para mono tou monaxou,kai pithanon tis Babarias.
stin germania douleuoun ta pragmata diaforetika (prosopiki mou apopsi polu swsta)apo oti stin ellada.oi foroi oi opoioi katavaloun oi forologoumenoi paradeigma stin babaria menoun kai stin babaria kata to megalutero pososto kai ena meros apo auta paei stin kentriki kasa.*san na leme twra osoi forologounte stin makedonia ta lefta menoun stin makedonia kai ksodeuonte gia tin makedonia. eipate tipota

File aete, kai ego otan eimoun Germania sini8izame to "tameio" na to leme kasa

, logo tou oti sta germanika legete "Kasse" !
Apla sou to epidior8ono edo , gia na katlaboun kai ta paidia stin Ellada ti ennoeis me kentriki kasa...
= kantriko tameio !!!!

aetopoulo · « **Reply #517 on:** June 07, 2006, 18:06:12 »

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File aete, kai ego otan eimoun Germania sini8izame to "tameio" na to leme kasa

, logo tou oti sta germanika legete "Kasse" !
Apla sou to epidior8ono edo , gia na katlaboun kai ta paidia stin Ellada ti ennoeis me kentriki kasa...
= kantriko tameio !!!!

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me kentriko enoo to tameio tou kratous tis germanias.
kathe perioxi dld.paradeigma Makedonia,Thraki,Thesalia k.t.l exei to diko tou tameio
kai ekei kataligoun ta xrimata twn forologoumenon

petrousiotis · « **Reply #518 on:** June 07, 2006, 20:56:16 »

ΤΕΛΙΚΑ ΑΥΤΟ ΠΟΥ ΠΡΕΠΕΙ ΝΑ ΓΙΝΕΙ ΕΙΝΑΙ ΝΑ ΔΩΣΟΥΜΕ ΟΤΙ ΠΙΟ ΙΕΡΟ ΕΧΟΥΜΕ ΣΤΟ ΟΝΟΜΑ ΤΗΣ ΟΙΚΟΝΟΜΙΚΗΣ ΕΞΥΓΕΙΑΝΣΗΣ; KATA THN ΓΝΟΜΗ ΜΟΥ ΟΧΙ. ΑΥΤΟ ΤΟ ΓΗΠΕΔΟ ΤΟ ΕΧΤΙΣΑΝ ΟΙ ΠΑΤΕΡΕΣ ΜΑΣ. ΔΕΝ ΕΙΝΑΙ Η ΠΡΟΤΗ ΑΝΑΓΚΗ ΤΩΡΑ ΝΑ ΓΙΝΕΙ ΓΗΠΕΔΟ.ΠΩΣ ΘΑ ΒΓΑΛΕΙ ΤΑ ΛΕΦΤΑ ΠΟΥ ΘΑ ΡΙΞΕΙ Ο ΟΠΟΙΟΣ ΣΑΒΒΙΔΗΣ ΑΝ ΔΕΝ ΜΑΖΕΥΤΕΙ Ο ΚΟΣΜΟΣ? ΑΣ ΚΟΙΤΑΞΟΥΜΑΙ ΤΙ ΘΑ ΓΙΝΕΙ ΜΕ ΤΗΝ ΟΜΑΔΑ,[ΘΥΜΟΣΑΣΤΑΙ ΠΟΙΟΝ ΕΧΟΥΜΑΙ ΠΡΟΠΟΝΗΤΗ΄?] ΠΛΑΝΟ ΓΙΑ ΤΗΝ ΟΜΑΔΑ ΜΑΣ ΕΦΕΡΕ ΚΑΝΕΝΑΣ ΣΑΒΒΙΔΗΣ? Ο ΠΑΟΚ ΔΕΝ ΘΑ ΠΡΕΠΕΙ ΝΑ ΠΑΡΑΚΑΛΑΕΙ ΚΑΝΕΝΑΝ ΚΑΙ ΔΕΝ ΠΡΕΠΕΙ ΝΑ ΑΙΣΘΑΝΟΜΑΣΤΕ ΟΤΙ Ο ΕΠΕΝΔΙΤΗΣ ΕΙΝΑΙ Ο ΤΥΠΟΣ ΠΟΥ ΘΑ ΠΛΗΡΩΣΕΙ ΕΝΑ ΚΑΡΟ ΛΕΦΤΑ ΧΩΡΙΣ ΝΑ ΞΕΡΕΙ ΟΤΙ ΔΕΝ ΘΑ ΤΑ ΧΑΣΕΙ. ΔΕΝ ΘΑ ΠΑΡΕΙ ΟΥΤΕ ΕΝΑ ΚΟΜΑΤΙ ΓΚΑΖΟΝ ΑΠΟ ΤΗΝ ΤΟΥΜΠΑ ΚΑΝΕΝΑΣ!!! ΤΟ ΓΗΠΕΔΟ ΑΝΙΚΕΙ ΜΟΝΟ ΣΤΟΝ ΠΑΟΚ ΚΑΙ ΔΕΝ ΘΑ ΠΡΕΠΕΙ ΝΑ ΠΕΡΑΣΕΙ ΣΤΑ ΧΕΡΙΑ ΚΑΝΕΝΟΣ.

Georgie-4- · « **Reply #519 on:** June 07, 2006, 21:09:58 »

δεν ξερω τι θα γινει με το γηπεδο...
αλλα ξερω πως θα επρεπε να διαβασεις πρωτα τους κανονες του φορουμ.

Δεν γραφουμε κεφαλαια και οταν υπαρχουν ηδη τοπικ με ιδιο θεμα δεν ανοιγουμε νεα..

πχ http://www.paokworld.com/paokworldboard/index.php?topic=5605.msg78296;topicseen#msg78296

Καλως ηρθες !

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