04-05 Προκριματικα C.L. ΠΑΟΚ-makabi tel aviv 1-2 Aυγουστος

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kai kati asxeto. to prostimo einai se euro i se elbetika fragka, exei mia sxetiki diafora, owps kai na to kanoume. giati autoi milane gia elbetika fragka kai oi aggramatoi dimosiografoi mas to kanoun euro me ti mia.

[DarkLord]

gate4 mporeis na gineis ligo pio sigekrimenos oson afora to gipedo? me ta 80M daneio poui les den anamorfoneis 3 thires, xtizeis kainourgio gipedo...ti paizei loipon?

[Londrezos]

Pantws to syntriptiko pososto toy prostimou einai apo thn eisodo toy magkakoy (gia allous mperdemenos) ston agwnistiko xwro.

Loipon parte to xampari oloi. Den yparxei mprostarhs ston kosmo toy PAOK. O laos koimatai ton ypno toy dikaiou kai ayto volevei olous. Gay-rous vazelous skoulhkia opadous kai kyriotero dioikhsh kai paiktes (aytoi kai an den paizoun san koimismenoi). Egw ayto vlepw DYSTYXWS.
Kapote yphrxe opados toy PAOK. Twra yparxei ypnos kai oneira.
Ante kai kalo ypno se olous sas.
Apo th 8yra 4 mexri ton Pagwnh.

[DIMIS]

Re Dimi kardiako 8es na me kaneis; Sto 88 to goal; An den ta baloume mexri to 25 na mhn swsei na mpoun. Den mporw allo agxos.

kala kai ti egine an mbi sto 88 to 0-5,,,,
afou kai me to 0-4 pername,,,ANETOSSSSSSSSSSS,,,,

eide paokaraaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[chris]

kai kati gia tous palious pou itan sto paixnidi stin 4. sto imixrono anoiksane tis portes kai apomakrunthikan astunomia kai security. opoios ithele empaine, opoios ithele ebgaine.
stin arxi skeftikame oti pithanon na to kane logw tou sunostismou kai to thliberou gegonotos me tin aek.
otan meta apo ligo eidame atoma na mpainoun me gualina mpoukalia mpuras mesa sto gipedo, oti ithele ebaze mesa kaneis kai pizza na itheles aneta empaine mesa o pizzadoros, kai oi cops itane ws dia mageias oloi eksafanismenoi, idiws stin 4A, to mualo paei allou.
opote upo auto to prisma pali kala pou den egine kai tipota sobaro, oxi tipota allo diladi, giati mia xara tha eixane oloi oi "egglimaties" allothi kai pali ti stasi tou kosmou.
polu upopti kinisi, opoios exei xronia ekei mesa me katalabainei, i think.

kai den einai h 1h fora na pros8esw egw.KAI ston agwna PAOK-aek 3-2 eixe ginei AKRIBWS TO IDIO! kai MONO! sthn sygekrimenh 8yra.na ginotan dhladh kai SE OOOOLEESSS tis ypoloipes na elega "paei sto diaolo".einai ONTWS YPOPTO..giati POLY APLA se ekeino to mats[alla KAI se afto me th makabi] OLO to ghpedo htane pita kai SE OLES tis 8yres ginotan to "paths me patws se"[eidika sto PAOK-aek]..giati loipon MONO sthn g4a empaine kai ebgaine opoios h8ele kai ebaze OTI H8ELE?

egw tulaxiston nomizw oti katalabainw

[Suicidal]

Οι λόγοι είναι:

1)ρίψη φωτοβολίδων εντός του αγωνιστικού χώρου

2)είσοδος οπαδών στον αγωνιστικό χώρο

3)επίθεση οπαδού σε παίκτη της Μακάμπι στο ημίχρονο

4) Δεν είχαν ολοκληρωθεί τα έργα στο γήπεδο της Τούμπας

5)μέρος του γηπέδου δεν είχε καρεκλάκια

 
 Telika den ta pigame kai toso asxhma gia prwth fora etsi ?  :evil:
 E re den eimaste gia tipota .......
 
 Ki oson afora thn 4a:
 Gia des leipon pou kati me ksynise ki emena sto mats me thn aek, prama to opeio me eixe afisei ekplikto ki emena....
 
 http://www.paokworld.com/farmakio/20040324.php
 (gia deste apo thn mesh kai katw sthn 3h paragrafo molis empaina).
 Pou sto dialo to pane/phgan/8eloun-8elan na pane ?
 
 Gia to prostimo akoma den leei tipota to uefa.com,
 alla gate4 , eilikrina ki emena me kinises para poly thn periergia me ta 80M pou egrapses.An einai drx pame stis 220.000E , alla an einai Euro.....  
 
 

[gate4]

Pantws to syntriptiko pososto toy prostimou einai apo thn eisodo toy magkakoy (gia allous mperdemenos) ston agwnistiko xwro.

Loipon parte to xampari oloi. Den yparxei mprostarhs ston kosmo toy PAOK. O laos koimatai ton ypno toy dikaiou kai ayto volevei olous. Gay-rous vazelous skoulhkia opadous kai kyriotero dioikhsh kai paiktes (aytoi kai an den paizoun san koimismenoi). Egw ayto vlepw DYSTYXWS.
Kapote yphrxe opados toy PAOK. Twra yparxei ypnos kai oneira.
Ante kai kalo ypno se olous sas.
Apo th 8yra 4 mexri ton Pagwnh.

diladi ti tha itheles esu na uparxei?
kai kati allo.
se osa diabazeis, sxolia, kritikes, prwtoboulies, apo ton opoiondipote px sundesmo, blepeis antapokrisi apo to koino?
i oloi apo ti mia zitane kiniseis kai meta boleuontai me tin anaparagwgi oswn tous plassaroun ta stimena radia kai oi agrammatoi dimosiografoi?
px se anaferw tin upothesi me tin adidas. eides kamia antidrasi apo ton kosmo? se pliroforw oti otan bgei oli i istoria sti fora tha gelasei ki o kathe pikramenos. alla egw proswpika den eida kamia antidrasi apo pouthena. ena duo memonwmena sxolia monaxa. koinws, nomizw pws an o kosmos den ftasei sto amin, den asxoleitai me ta sobara themata.
kai einai geniko kako auto kai den periorizetai mono se themata PAOK.
ki ena paradeigma akoma. kalws krazoun oloi gia to prostimo. kaneis den leei oloi tin alitheia. mono ti misi. oti apo tis 125K oi 50K ofeilontai stin anetoimotita tou gipedou.
kaneis den asxoleitai oti me ena plexi glass 4-5 m lunontan simantika problimata. kai oti i pae zitise kai petuxe to 5% tou proupologismou anti na paei se plexi glass na paei se dermatines poluthrones. alla ti na leme twra.
as perimenoume ena swtira na mas ta balei ola se mia seira apo ti stigmi pou emeis eimaste anikanoi na asxolithoume estw kai me ena sobaro thema.

[gate4]

 

kai den einai h 1h fora na pros8esw egw.KAI ston agwna PAOK-aek 3-2 eixe ginei AKRIBWS TO IDIO! kai MONO! sthn sygekrimenh 8yra

oxi akribws to idio. mporei logw tou idiaiterou sunostismou tote na upirxei anuprktos elegxos stin eisodo, mporei na eixane monimws apo tis arxes tou 2ou imixronou anoixti ti mia porta, alla den einai to idio.
logw tou atuximatos stin 4a oi portes eprepe na anoiksoun giati eixan erthei ta asthenofora, alla kai astunomika me politika upirxan kai polloi asfalites.
sto match me ti maccabi den upirxe apolutws KANEIS. sto imixrono anoiksane diaplata kai oi 2 portes kai xathikas ws dia mageias oloi oi cops, enstoloi kai me politika.

[gate4]

gate4 mporeis na gineis ligo pio sigekrimenos oson afora to gipedo? me ta 80M daneio poui les den anamorfoneis 3 thires, xtizeis kainourgio gipedo...ti paizei loipon?

auto to paramuthi poulane apo ti mera tou atuximatos stin toumpa. oti tha paroun, tote legane 50M euro daneio, twra lene 80M euro daneio, gia na ksanaxtisoune tis 4-5-6-7-8. me kamia 50aria xronia upothiki stis trapezes kai to gipedo gemato apo katw kinimatografous, estiatoria ktl.
basika se ena tetoio daneio, to 25% sto pairnoun oi idies oi trapezes, to 50% tha paei gia to ergo kai to allo 25% se tsepes. opote antilambanetai kaneis oti milame gia ti douleia tou aiwna. poso mallon otan milame gia tous sexygeiantes tuxodiwktes pou den exoun ena euro stin tsepi tous.
exontas na diaxeiristeis tetoia posa, eukola rixneis ena kokkalo 1-2M euro kai boulwneis to stoma tou erasitexni, o opoios einai kai o kurios upeuthunos tis katantias tou gipedou.
to gipedo, para to gegonos oti o AS kata kairous pairnei xrimata gia erga, paramenei s'auti tin katastasi gia na mporei eukola o kathenas apo emas na pei:
"ela mwre as to gkremizoume, ereipio katantise"
skefteite oti kai na gkremistei to gipedo 1-2M euro kerdos einai mono ta mpaza pou tha pouliseis se mia etaireia pou paragei skurodema. opoios kserei apo ergolabika katalabainei.
o AS akoulouthei tin taktiki pollwn ellinwn kai ebraiwn pou exoun diatiritea sto kentro tis polis mas kai ta afinoun na rimazoun perimenontas na karpwthoun tin uperaksia tou oikopedou, pou apo moni tis gia tin Toumpa einai terastia.
apo tin alli ta kondulia gia erga ependuontai sta anuparkta tmimata tou AS.
to thema einai oti me mia swsti meleti to gipedo mas aneta exei alla 50 xronia zwis, opws px ta italika gipeda pou anakainistikan gia to mundial tou 1990. alla me mia swsti meleti kai oxi douleies arpa kola. allwste gi auto kai oti erga ginontai, einai erga eswterikwn xwrwn mia zwi, giati auta pane kai se mikrous ergolabous (kollitous) kai exoun megalo kerdos.
katantisame na pesoume se mia xwritikotita 28-29 xiliadwn apo tis 45. auto bebaia den enoxlei kanenan, giati kai o sunetairismos me tin astunomia paei mia xara kai stadiaka periorizoume ton kosmo apo to gipedo.
genikws to gipedo einai mia polu megali upothesi, tin opoia kateuthunoun entexna pros ta ekei pou theloun, opws kai sta perissotera themata. genikws xwraei megali suzitisi.
to basikotero thema einai to gipedo tha allaksei idioktiti kai tha perasei se xeria trapezwn kai epitideiwn. eite to antilambanomaste eite oxi eimaste apo tous plousioterous sullogous stin eurwpi kai auto den mporei na thusiastei me tipota.
upenthimizw px oti to karaiskaki anikei stin anwnumi etaireia "karaiskaki ae" me ton kokkali na exei to 51% twn metoxwn kai tis alpha kai citibank to 49%.
enw i Toumpa anikei 100% ston AS PAOK, diladi se sena, ston allon kai se mena. auto prepei na diafulaxtei pasi thusia.

[gate4]

a kai kati asxeto pou molis katefthase apo pigi mesa stin pae, to 75% tou prostimou (90K i think) ofeiletai sto oti to gipedo den itan etoimo kai den upirxan kareklakia stin 4. ki eseis diabaste sto giganta grigoriadi kai sta upnosport oti kai tis 125K tis fagate apo tis malakies twn duo pou mpikan sto gipedo. ante kai kalinuxta.

[tomkar]

ayto to "kalinixta" poli moda exei ginei sto forum..

Afou einai etsi giati de vgazei mia anakoinwsi kapoios sindesmos na enimerwsei ton kosmo afou yparxoun kai piges? Aytos den einai enas apo tous rolous twn sindesmwn? An kanenas apo tous sindesmous den enimerwsei ton aplo kosmo, profanws kai oloi tha pistepsoun to grigoriadi kai ton opoio grigoriadi afou den yparxei alli pigi enimerwsis.

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