04-05 Προκριματικα C.L. ΠΑΟΚ-makabi tel aviv 1-2 Aυγουστος

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file pavle ti psaxneis na breis. se ligo an milas tha se boulwnoun kai to stoma. meta to 3-0 sto 20' me ti gria ton bgalane oloi poulimatia gia na dikaiologisoun ta adikaiologita kai na ekane tin teleutaia arpaxti kai kserw gw, kai simera einai arxigos ston PAOK.
o giasemakis zitise apo ton ugeii kosmo tou PAOK na diwksei apo to gipedo autous pou kraksane tous paixtes meta to 1-2 me ton pao kai den ton eipe kaneis koubenta.
sto idio paixnidi, o amafulle etrexe pisw apo ton olizantempe gia na allaksoune faneles ki sto telos dikaiwthike kai tin pire.
autoi einai oi paiktes pou kseroun ti simainei i leksi PAOK.

kai prin 2 bdomades eixe sunenteuksi ton totti sti corriere dello sport kai leei, o emersson einai filos mou alla apo ti stigmi pou pige sti yuve egw den prokeitai na ton milisw mesa sto gipedo giati to paixnidi gia tous opadous mas einai parapanw apo derby.

ti psaxneis na breis. oloi ton PAOK theloun na ton rapsoune sta metra tous. oloi epaggelmaties, oloi konomane kai emeis mia zwi eimaste ta koroida.

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Filarakia kalimera+kali vdomada....Megali Vdomada epese nwris fetos!!!...Ade na kanoume+Anastasi !!!!!...
To fovamai o mizeros to paixnidi...H omada sta filika de me epeise katholou, provlima sto goal, lathi stin amina kamia fadasia+polla taleda pou mexri pote tha perimenoume na doume na vgazoun matia???

Elpizw gia to kalitero alla eimai sigouros oti to mats tha paixtei sto b' paixnidi sto israil.. 0-0 to vlepw!!!

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o PAOK prepei na perasei pasi thisia gia na graftei sto biografiko sou oti perases kai agwnistikes stous omilous tou cl. gi' auto tha agwnistoume oloi kai mono gi' auto.  kai auto einai kai to mono pou tha menei. se mas kai mono se mas.
gia tous epaggelmaties pou zoune apo ton PAOK den dinw dekara. kai dekara den dinw kai gia tin poreia tis omadas stous omilous. oti mporoun as to paiksoun ki ola kala.
 emena auto pou noiazei einai na perasoume, giati an apokleisoume apo ti maccabbi tha einai kseftila. egw tha eimai pali ekei, aneksartitws apotelesmatos, oti kai na ginei, alla pasi thisia prepei na perasoume giati tha kseftilistoume.

Kwsta peri sevasmou den tithete thema...
To telefteo pou thelo na po ine oti afetiria tou sholiou mou ine oti ekana quote.Afto ke tipote alo aderfe.

Oso gia to papari ton Atma,boris na dis tis apopsis mou se paliotera sholia.

Kali dinami ke kalo agona me ti niki!

PAOK PANTOU KE PANTA

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to lew KAI AFTO TWRA giati problepw na ginei MPAXALO thn trith.
ston teliko me to skouliki oloi 8ymomaste to NTOU pou eixe ginei sthn g4 kai POSOS EPIPLEON KOSMOS mphke mesa.H G4 KAI H G4A EIXE GEMISEI ASFYKTIKOTATA KAI GINOTAN PATHS ME PATWS SE xwris eftyxws tote na exoume tipota dysaresto..otan se ena petalo pou xwra upo normal syn8hkes 8-9.000 kosmo me to NTOU eixe 11.-12.000! ,oloi katalabainete h 8ymaste ti ennow

TI FOBAMAI sto mats ths triths loipon:
=posa eishthria te8hkan se kykloforia?22.000?23.000?26.000?
=posh einai h xwrithkothta ths toumpas?28.700-29.000 twra me tis suites.
=posoi ebraioi 8a er8oun epishma?300-400 to maximum-stadar ena tsarter pantws.
=pou 8a katsoun oi ebraioi?sthn g8 afou gia ekei den te8hkan se kykloforia eishthria ARA GIA EMAS YPARXEI XWROS GIA TO POLY 26.000[h g8 einai xwrithkothtas 3000-3.500]
=posa loipon AKRIBWS eishthria TYPWSE h pae kai POSA DIARKEIAS poulaei me afton ton KOUTOPONHRO kai akrws EGLHMATIKO KAI EPIKYNDYNO tropo gia thn ASFALEIA OLWN MAS!?!?!?

exoun katalabei ekei sthn pae OTI KYNDINEVEI H SWMATIKH MAS AKAIREOTHTA logw ANYPOLOGISTOU YPERARI8MOU KOSMOU PU 8A MPEI STO GHPEDO?!?!

exei paei KANEIS SAS na agorasei DIARKEIAS opou DEN tu dinoun kartelaki plastikopoihmeno diarkeias alla APLH APODEIKSH!?!?!kai oti exei paei ena sebastoutsiko numero PAOKtshdwn kai exoun parei parees 2-3-4 atomwn MIA! apodeiksh KAI oi 2-3-4 ?!? me apotelesma NA MHN EINAI AKRIBHS O ARI8MOS TWN ATOMWN POU 8A EXOUN DIAKAIWMA ME AFTHN THN APODEIKSH ELEW KARTELAKI DIARKEIAS NA MPOUN STO GHPEDO?

exoun katalabei ekei sthn pae TI SKATA shmainei aftos o EPIKYNDYNA kai OXI ME AKRIBEIA METRHSIMOS ARI8MOS YPARARI8MOU KOSMOU?

an exoume PALI fainomeno NTOU opws ston teliko me to skouliki se ENA GHPEDO OPOU DEN EINAI ETOIMO! to "pragma" 8a ginei pleon AKRWS EPIKYNDYNO.paramenei omws EPIKYNDYNO symfwna me tus ypologismous mu!

8a einai ENHMEROI oi security gia oses parees 8a 8elhsoun na mpoun ME THN MIA! APODEIKSH pou tus edwse h pae[epanalambanw=exoun paei parees 2-3-4 atomwn..estw na paroun oloi tus eishthria gia thn g5..kai eite plhrwsan olo to poso..eite mia prokatabolh..eite me doseis..KAI H PAE DEN! ESWSE STON KA-8E-NA TUS APO ENA KARTELAKI DIARKEIAS ALLA AKOUSON AKOUSON! MIA APLH APODEIKSH GIA OLH THN PAREA!afta ta kseroun oi security kai OLOI eseis oi ypoloipoi?!?!?]

FOBAMAI..FOBAMAI POLY..

[chris]

stous parapanw "syndiasmous" ari8mwn eishthriwn diate8entwn ktl pio pi8ano noumero einai oti diate8hkan sthn kykloforia 23.000 eishthria telika

bgalte loipon thn xwrithkothta ths g8 opou 8a einai oi ebraioi..deite ti apomenei gia olous emas tus ypoloipus san xwrithkothta sto ypoloipo ghpedo..analogeisthte thn pwlhsh diarkeias opou ginetai "opws na nai" [telika phra mia fyllada pio prin kai eida oti osoi exoun san parea 1 apodeiksh gia 2-3-4 diarkeias ,mporoun na pane sthn pae kai na paroun KAT ATOMO ksexwristes prosklhseis/diapistefseis..[epanalambanw anekselekta?8a to gnwrizoun afto oi security?]

SYNHDITOPOIHSAN ekei sthn pae oti AFTH H APLOIKOTATH APODEIKSH! pou dinoun anti gia KARTELAKI DIARKEIAS einai YPER-PANEFKOLO!!! na ginei "COPY-PASTE"! kai na mpainei kosmos ETSI STO XYMA! giati poly apla einai adynaton na apodeiksh kapoios oti EINAI h DEN EINAI apodeiksh ths pae?

kai mhn pei kaneis oti "bazw ponhres idees" se kapoiwn ta myala..prwta apo ola h ASFALEIA oswn eimaste trith brady ston NAO! "kalio gaidourodene para gaidourogyreve"..

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kai na sto pw ki alliws. o anthrwpos pou se eftuse sto proswpo kai se eipe pare pistwtiki gia na deis ton PAOK kai sta arxidia mou egw tha konomisw perissotera apo ta apla eisitiria, itan sto trapezi me mutilinaio, spanoudaki, xrusafi kai sarikexagia pros timin tou signori, sto shark tin proigoumeni bdomada. me to pouro tou kai to ouiskaki tou kai ta gelakia tou. ante kai kalinuxta.

Kai loipon;;;;;;            

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einai katantia aderfe na einai ston PAOK enas apo tous arxhgous o atmatsidis, fainete oti opoios dexetai goal opws auta me ton hraklh sto telos epivravevete.

Kai mhn pei kaneis oti den einai h katallhlh wra na leme tetoia pragmata.

Oso gia ta diarkeias ti na pei kaneis me ta alla kolpa ths dioikhshs.....

pavlosk

Epeidh eixame ksanamilhsei gi auto to 8ema kai gia to poso eukola xarakthrizoume kapoious poulhmenous klp., 8elw twra oloi osoi eixate vgei kai eixate pei oti o Anastasiadhs eixe allaksei ton Atmatsidh se ekeino to mats epeidh ontws 8ewrhse oti to "poulhse" na vgeite kai na paradexteite to la8os sas. Giati to gegonos oti ton krathse sthn omada ananewnontas to sumvolaio tou, mono kati tetoio de deixnei. Stamathste loipon na vlepete pantou fantasmata kai na pisteuete oti "opoios dexetai goal opws auto me ton Hraklh sto telos epivraveuetai", kai vgeite epitelous na paradexteite oti kai o proponhths pisteuei oti nai men ta goal htan aparadekta alla tipota parapanw apo mia kakh stigmh. Ektos kai an dhlwete eu8ews oti o Anastasiadhs 8elei sthn omada tou "poulhmenous" paiktes. Ante giati polu eukola spilwnoume ton ka8ena sthn Ellada. An katsoume kai metrhsoume goal ths plakas pou exoun faei termatofulakes sta ghpeda olou tou kosmou den 8a mas ftasei mia mera...

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o giasemakis zitise apo ton ugeii kosmo tou PAOK na diwksei apo to gipedo autous pou kraksane tous paixtes meta to 1-2 me ton pao kai den ton eipe kaneis koubenta.

Kai polu kala ekane kai to eipe. H stash autwn pou ekraksan tous paiktes se ekeino to mats htan APARADEKTH. Ekraksan paiktes pou edwsan thn psuxh tous olh th xronia kai ta esvhsan ola me mia monokontulia. Paiktes pou emeinan ston PAOK meta apo mia tragikh oikonomika xronia kai enw to mellon htan toulaxiston avevaio. Alla den peirazei, mporoume oloi na kruvomaste pisw apo to "pa8os kai thn agaph gia thn omada", "thn entash ths stigmhs", "to nearo ths hlikias", klp. Opws APARADEKTH htan kai h anakoinwsh ths G4 prin to mats pou epese sthn pagida twn A8hnaiwn. Anti na vgei kai na pei: "sta arxidia mas poios 8a parei to prwta8lhma afou den 8a to parei o PAOK, emeis exoume empistosunh stous paiktes mas kai den exoun na mas apodeiksoun tipota, 8a paiksoun gia thn istoria tou PAOK, gia ton kosmo kai gia thn parth tous, kai terma.", vgalane mia hli8ia anakoinwsh pou peripou elege oti oi paiktes einai YPOXREWMENOI na kerdisoun gia na apodeiksoun oti den einai poulhmenoi! Dhladh na apodeiksoun oti den einai elefantes! 8arreis kai den uparxoun etsi ki alliws 3 apotelesmata se ka8e mats sto podosfairo.  

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Filarakia kalimera+kali vdomada....Megali Vdomada epese nwris fetos!!!...Ade na kanoume+Anastasi !!!!!...
To fovamai o mizeros to paixnidi...H omada sta filika de me epeise katholou, provlima sto goal, lathi stin amina kamia fadasia+polla taleda pou mexri pote tha perimenoume na doume na vgazoun matia???

Elpizw gia to kalitero alla eimai sigouros oti to mats tha paixtei sto b' paixnidi sto israil.. 0-0 to vlepw!!!

Pantws oi omades me tis opoies paiksame sta filika eixan sthn premiera tou gallikou prwta8lhmatos 3 nikes, 1 isopalia kai 1 htta (h Bordeaux me goal sto 94' ektos edras apo th Marseille).

Pantws ena 0-0 einai pi8ano logw anetoimothtas autwn twn omadwn auth thn epoxh. 1-0 8a einai kalo, 2-0 teleio.

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Loipon, duo pragmata gia ta eisithria:

1. H teleutaia 8ewria pou parousiazetai einai oti h PAE epithdes evale thn tampela sold out gia na "ekviasei" kata kapoion tropo thn pwlhsh parapanw eisithriwn diarkeias. Omws akrivws prin 2-3 meres o Chris ekane anafora sth sunenteuksh Goumenou kai parousiase sugkekrimenes fraseis tou gia na uposthriksei to akrivws anti8eto! Oti dhladh h PAE protima na mhn poulhsei polla diarkeias giati 8a vgalei perissotera xrhmata apo ta memonwmena eisithria. Telika re paidia, ti apo ta duo isxuei; Giati kai ta duo tautoxrona apokleietai na isxuoun. Mporei ontws kapoio apo ta duo na isxuei (kai einai sigouro oti h PAE skeptetai emporika kai 8elei na ta oikonomhsei oso perissotera ginetai) alla to na uposthrizeis kai ta duo tautoxrona moiazei perissotero me emmonh para me antikeimenikh topo8ethsh.

2. Gia ta eisithria gia ton agwna me th Maccabi kai to mperdema me ta diarkeias h katastash einai ontws aparadekth. Polu pisw h PAE me to na mhn exei etoima ta kartelakia diakreias kai na dinei mono apodeikseis! Kai gia na ginoume kai ligo pio apaithtikoi kanonika olo to susthma me ta diarkeias eprepe na einai on-line wste na kserei ana pasa stigmh posa exei polhsei kai pou kai analogws na kserei kai posa memonwmena eisithria mporei na poulhsei. Megalles elleipseis se auton ton tomea, kai elpizw opws leei ki o Chris na apodeix8oun telika epikindunes.

P.S. Kanonika mia kapoia "lush" 8a htan na stamatouse h dia8esh diarkeias 2 meres prin apo 1 mats wste na mporoun na metrhsoun me akriveia posa diarkeias dwsane kai na kseroun posa memonwmena dikaiountai akoma na poulhsoun.  

[chris]

P.S. Kanonika mia kapoia "lush" 8a htan na stamatouse h dia8esh diarkeias 2 meres prin apo 1 mats wste na mporoun na metrhsoun me akriveia posa diarkeias dwsane kai na kseroun posa memonwmena dikaiountai akoma na poulhsoun.  

afto ksanapesto!
giati twra pou rwtaw gnwstous mu[einai omws "radio arbyla" opote mhn ta pairnete tis metrhths] milane oti ekdo8hkan 26.000 eishthria.ARKETA sites alla kai efhmerides epishs milousan gia 26.000
ara an baloume +3.000k bale ta diarkeias,ka8ws kai thn g8 gia tus ebraious...

an kai egw nomizw oti telika ekdo8hkan 22-23.000 eishthria ,alla den brhka akoma kapoion pu ME AKRIBEIA na mu pei kai o LOGOS TU NA EINAI EGYROS.

opws kai na exei omws...AN8RWPOI 8a mpoun ston NAO thn trith KAI OXI ZWA STIBAGMENA SAN SARDELES!

giaafto kalytera NA FWNAZOUME apo twra gia afto .

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8emhs

den kserw ean o anastasiadhs thelei poulhmenous h oxi sthn omada tou.
Auto pou eida egw se ekeino to paixnidi htan kai paramenei APARADEKTH AGWNISTIKH SYMPERIFORA, enos EMPEIROTATOY podosfairisth kai gi auto den mporw na dextw ws dikaiologia thn kakia stigmh, to anthrwpino lathos h akomh oti htan mataigmenos....mhn trelathoume kiolas.
Tetoia lathoi kat eme einai ASYGXWRHTA kai kata thn dikh mou logikh den mporei enas tetoios PODOSFAIRISTHS na einai shmera arxhgos ston PAOK.

pavlosk

Y.G: gia ta eishthria pou lene gia na katalavw profanws den einai to provlhma ta diarkeias pou poulhthhkan p.x. ton iounio alla ta diarkeias pou poulane twra enw exoun ekdwsei ta eishthria tou agwna. To pio eukolo loipon tha htan mazi me thn apodeiksh gia to diarkeias na dinoun kai ena eishthrio opote den tha exoun provlhma gia auton ton agwna kai meta mporoun na kanoun tous logariasmous tous

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Kai polu kala ekane kai to eipe. H stash autwn pou ekraksan tous paiktes se ekeino to mats htan APARADEKTH.

file exeis ena logo na ta grafeis auta parapanw, oti meneis ektos elladas.
i apopsi sou pantws gia mena proswpika einai asteia.
katse na se skizoun ton pato olumpiakoi kai panathinaikoi kai brize esu to thrulo kai ton peiraia kai poula ston eauto sou epanastasi.
kai an san opados esu dexesai na se brizei dimosia o kathe epaggelmatias pou irhthe, tha parei 2 drx se 5 xronia kai tha sikwhtei na fugei, pali den exw tipota na se pw.
les ki an o giasemis efeuge apo ton PAOK, i o karadimos, i o kathe allos epaggelmatias, tha sfazotane sta podia omades gia na ton paroun.
edw ston ari kai stin aek pereimenan allo ena xrono aplirwtoi, autoi pou gemisane tis tsepes tous meta apo mia duskoli xronia, tha feugane? kai tha pigainane pou? ston irakli? ston iwniko? i ston ari? ase pou me mia prosfugi ta lefta tous, estw kai meta apo 2 xronia ta pairnoun.
an gia sena o PAOK einai aplos enas oikonomikos organismos, paw paso. exeis dikio.
an omws o PAOK einai mai idea pou ekproswpei ena olokliro gewgrafiko xwro kai xiliades kosmou ektos elladas, eisai lathos. gia mena panta.

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kai na sto pw ki alliws. o anthrwpos pou se eftuse sto proswpo kai se eipe pare pistwtiki gia na deis ton PAOK kai sta arxidia mou egw tha konomisw perissotera apo ta apla eisitiria, itan sto trapezi me mutilinaio, spanoudaki, xrusafi kai sarikexagia pros timin tou signori, sto shark tin proigoumeni bdomada. me to pouro tou kai to ouiskaki tou kai ta gelakia tou. ante kai kalinuxta.

Kai loipon;;;;;;            

tipota mwre, apla eksw brexei...

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Auto pou synexizei ta ginetai me ta eisitiria apo tin P.A.E einai aparadekto.

Tin Paraskeui to vradi girisa apo Rodo kai Savvato prwi piga na parw eisitirio, alla eida to sold out. Piga sta grafeia kai me eipan oti teleiwsan ta eisitiria kai dinoun mono diarkeias.

Diladi gia tis theseis twn diarkeias den ekdothikan eisitiria kai an nai giati den ta vgazoun pros pwlisi; Mipws einai stignos ekviasmos; Kai tha vgaloun isws ti Triti kapoia liga eisitiria gia tin g1 mono an den poulithoun ola ta diarkeias sti thira auti.

Pantos eisitiria yparxoun, prosopika piga stou Makedones arxika, den peira omws giati ithelan 60 eurw gia eksamini eggrafi sto syndesmo, dioti edinan mono se meloi kai telika peira apo tous Ampalaea 2 eisitiria ena gia g5 kai ena g4, me 5 eurw parapanw sti synoliki timi, ws enisxisi tou syndesmou.

Epanalamvanw akomi kai simera Dutera eisitiria yparxoun.

[br04]

akougetai periergh oli i istoria me ta eisithria .
tha lypitho poly an i toumpa den einai gemati ayrio..

Jerei kaneis an to paixnidi tha to deijoun Sky i British Eurosport?
 

[chris]

Pantos eisitiria yparxoun, prosopika piga stou Makedones arxika, den peira omws giati ithelan 60 eurw gia eksamini eggrafi sto syndesmo, dioti edinan mono se meloi kai telika peira apo tous Ampalaea 2 eisitiria ena gia g5 kai ena g4, me 5 eurw parapanw sti synoliki timi, ws enisxisi tou syndesmou.

Epanalamvanw akomi kai simera Dutera eisitiria yparxoun.

ksanapesto kai esy palikare mu,GIATI POLYS KOSMOS POU GIA TUS DIKOUS TU SEBASTOUS LOGOUS den 8elei h den mporei na agorasei diarkeias OTAN trith prwi dei h ma8ei oti pouluntai eishthria eksw apo thn tumpa KAI SYNHDITOPOUIHSEI TO PA-NA-SXH-MO paixnidi pou paizei h pae gumenou...8a ksespasei...kai poly asxhma malista..

[giwrgos4]

Pantos eisitiria yparxoun, prosopika piga stou Makedones arxika, den peira omws giati ithelan 60 eurw gia eksamini eggrafi sto syndesmo, dioti edinan mono se meloi kai telika peira apo tous Ampalaea 2 eisitiria ena gia g5 kai ena g4, me 5 eurw parapanw sti synoliki timi, ws enisxisi tou syndesmou.

Epanalamvanw akomi kai simera Dutera eisitiria yparxoun.

ksanapesto kai esy palikare mu,GIATI POLYS KOSMOS POU GIA TUS DIKOUS TU SEBASTOUS LOGOUS den 8elei h den mporei na agorasei diarkeias OTAN trith prwi dei h ma8ei oti pouluntai eishthria eksw apo thn tumpa KAI SYNHDITOPOUIHSEI TO PA-NA-SXH-MO paixnidi pou paizei h pae gumenou...8a ksespasei...kai poly asxhma malista..

AUTO INE siguro chris

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kai na sto pw ki alliws. o anthrwpos pou se eftuse sto proswpo kai se eipe pare pistwtiki gia na deis ton PAOK kai sta arxidia mou egw tha konomisw perissotera apo ta apla eisitiria, itan sto trapezi me mutilinaio, spanoudaki, xrusafi kai sarikexagia pros timin tou signori, sto shark tin proigoumeni bdomada. me to pouro tou kai to ouiskaki tou kai ta gelakia tou. ante kai kalinuxta.

Kai loipon;;;;;;            

tipota mwre, apla eksw brexei...

Ante giati 8a trela8oume teleiws edw mesa mou fainetai. Kai ti egine loipon pou hpie ena poto me to Spanoudakh pros timhn tou Signori; Dhladh einai prodosia kata tou PAOK auto; Esu den exeis filous allhs omadas, gries p.x.; Den pineis mazi tous pota; Ektos kai an apo tote pou efuga apo Ellada (giati 10 xronia exw eksw ta upoloipa htan ekei) allaksan a pragmata kai protou kaneis filies zhta kai ...opadika fronhmata.

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Egw exw na pw oti exoume pesei GIA ALLH MIA FORA sthn pagida twn fthnwn dhmosiografiskwn kai PAE (mhpws pane paketo telika?) oti ta eishthria teleiwsan gia na atgorasei o kosmos diarkeias... Ntroph kai plai ntroph.
Pros stigmhn nomiza oti ontws eksantlh8hkan ta eisitiria se xrono record alla mallon arxizei na eksantleitai h ypomonh moy me ta tertipia twn dioikountwn. Ta kala alla kai ta asxhma PREPEI na legontai.
@gate4 de me peirakse poy o Goumenos hpie sto Shark* whiskey h o,ti allo me Spanoudaki kai sia. Kala ekane esy dhladh poy nomizeis oti 8a phgaine kapoios proedros omadas ston palai pote Kokora gia gyro kai souvlaki h ti 8a epine EPSA h tomato juice kai me poion 8a synantiotan me ton kyr-nikola ton sovatzh h to mpamph ton ydrayliko (xwris parekshghsh gia ta spoydaia eksisoy ayta eppagelmata).
Xalarwse gate4 ekei poy prepei na toys kraksoume 8a ta akousoun kai malista xontra.

* To Shark sth Sofoulh anhkei kata 80% ston Pagwnh.