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Melb4

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« on: July 11, 2008, 02:37:31 »
Pio kato grafei "Israel had carried out manoeuvres in Greece that were effectively practice runs for a potential strike against Iranian nuclear facilities." Diladi oi evraioi ekanan askiseis(?) stin Ellada gia mia epeiheirisi enantion tou Iran!!!!! Kserei kaneis perissotera?


http://www.mywire.com/pubs/AFP/2008/07/07/6877525?&pbl=15

Iran's Revolutionary Guards hold war games: report
Jul 7, 2008 | 279 words , 1 image

TEHRAN (AFP) — Iran's elite Revolutionary Guards have embarked on a new round of war games to sharpen their combat readiness, amid continued tensions over the Iranian nuclear drive, the Fars news agency reported.

"The Great Prophet Manoeuvres III are being held by the missile divisions of the Revolutionary Guards air force and its naval vessels," the agency reported late on Monday.

The aim of the war games is "improving the combat capability of the missile and naval units," it added.

The Revolutionary Guards are Iran's ideological army who have their own ground forces, navy and air forces which operate in parallel to the regular armed forces.

The Guards are also responsible for Iran's most significant ballistic missiles including the Shahab-3 longer range missile, whose range has Israel and US bases in the Gulf within reach.

The agency, which is known for its contacts in the security forces, gave no further details on the war games. Such exercises are normally held in the Gulf.

Tensions have risen in recent weeks over Iran's nuclear programme, which the West fears could be aimed at making a nuclear weapon but Tehran insists is only aimed at producing energy.

It emerged last month that Iran's arch enemy Israel had carried out manoeuvres in Greece that were effectively practice runs for a potential strike against Iranian nuclear facilities.

The United States has also said that the option of military force remains on the table but Iran has warned in return that any aggression against its soil will be met with a crushing response.

shaman4

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« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2008, 03:13:16 »
To grapsane kai ta ellhnika sites.
Simera se mia ekpompi h galliki thleorassi anefere pos to "israel ekane askhseis pou emiazan me proponisi gia bombardismo twn purinikwn egkatastasewn tou IRAN".(den dieukrinisse alla nomizo einai auta pou ginane kai sthn ellada).
Vassika amerikanoi eixan prota vgalei sthn fora oti to israel kai h ellas synergastikane kai oti h askissi thimise "prova generale" gia bombardismo purinikwn egkatastasewn.

H elliniki pleura apandise sto thema (pou grapsan kai ta ellinika sites) legontas oti h elliniki air force exei simfonies sinergasias me to israel air force.

Alla oi dimosiografoi episimenoun oti h hellenic air force exei sinergasia mono ston tomea diasosi kai ereuna, kai anthropistikes epixeirisis.

Ara h askisi profanos kai egine, parolo pou den to provlepi h synergasia.

Prosopiki mou apopsi einai oti ean h ellada exei ofelos na dieksagontai oi askiseis autes, tote as tis sunexisei kai as proxorisei kai se auto to epipedo h synergasia.Alla den kserw kai pola peri tou thematos.

Melb4

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« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2008, 03:27:12 »
Tetoies askiseis ginontai protistos gia to simferon ton evraion. Alloste h Ellada pote tha kinithei na htipisei piriniki egatastasi? Gia pollous kai diaforous logous den prepei na uparxei tetoia sinergasia me tous evraious.

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shaman4

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« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2008, 03:39:55 »
Den tha to elega.
Koitakse na deis, ego eimai ellinas.den me noiazei to Israel.
Gia mena to Israel kanei mia megalei malakia, anagkazei tous palestinious na zoun "upo katoxi" eno eidika autoi, logo tis istorias tou (nazismos alla oxi mono, panta kinigithikan apo olous oi evraioi) tha eprepe na einai pio euaisthitoi...mia mera elpizw na ksipnisoun.
Pandos, to Iran to antipatho giati einai islamiko (h kuvernissi tous), giati thelei piriniki dunami eno den apeileite, kai giati apeilei geitonika kratoi.
Opote den nomizo oti exoume hthikous logous na mas peirazei tetoia askissi.

Epipleon, to Israel exei mia apo tis kaliteres aeropories ston kosmo.Kai parolo pou den exoume stoxo kamia puriniki egkatastassi, sigoura h askish mathainei sthn air force mas mpala (diladi, gia plaka oi pilotoi exoun stoxo piriniko ergostassio alla to thema einai h proponissi....)
Sigoura paizei coordination, taxutita, stoxos, empeiries ktlp....   kai sigoura an mporoume na mathoume tipota apo to israel air force kalo tha mas kanei.

Finally, mporei kai na paizei thema "diplomatikon poron".
Diladi paizoume to xarti tis sinergasias gia na kerdisoume diplomatika antalagmata apo israel h usa h france h uk...

Tora theories theoriwn, apla enoo ean ofeleite h ellada, stratiotika h diplomatika, tote as sinexissi.

Argonath4

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« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2008, 03:41:51 »
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Ôþñá ãéáôß Ýãéíå íôüñïò ó÷åäüí 1 ìÞíá ìåôÜ ôçí ðñáãìáôïðïßçóç ôçò Üóêçóçò, êáé ðïéïò Ýäùóå ôéò ðëçñïöïñßåò…åßíáé Ýíá Üëëï èÝìá.

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shaman4

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« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2008, 03:43:52 »
Millwal simfono sto teleutaio pou eipes.
Nomizo diereuse apo phges tou USA military.
Sigoura ena mhna meta den einai tuxaio...

mayrosaris

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« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2008, 03:59:26 »
htan mia askhsh routinas opws polles alles sto parelthon, apla
oi usades theloun apo tous evraioys na epanalavoun ta gegonota
me to irak kai mallon aytoi tsinane.

Melb4

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« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2008, 04:03:59 »
mallon nai gia stratigikous-psihologikous logous vgike i eidisi - afou mathame to neo tora pou to Iran kanei stratiotikes askiseis (omos to arthro sto http://www.in.gr/NEWS/article.asp?lngEntityID=912173 ehei imerominia 20/6). Alla pisteueis oti i Ellada ithele na mplehtei se auto to thema (afou fainetai se olous oti i Ellada voitha tous evraious)?

shaman4

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« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2008, 04:09:49 »
Mpa sigoura den theloume na diataraksoume tis sxeseis mas me kamia pleura.

Apo thn allh skepsou to allios, h askisi afora bombardismous purinikwn egkatastaseon.To IRAN diaveveionei oti den thelei puriniki stratiotiki dunami (mono civil) opote "epissima" h opoiadipote tetoia askissi den to afora.. tora ti kathomai kai leo tetoies ores 8)

Hlithioi oloi, kai to iran, kai to israel, kai o Sam.

Argonath4

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« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2008, 04:12:39 »
htan mia askhsh routinas opws polles alles sto parelthon, apla
oi usades theloun apo tous evraioys na epanalavoun ta gegonota
me to irak kai mallon aytoi tsinane.

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¼óï ãéá ôçí ÁìåñéêÞ ìÜëëïí óõìâáßíåé ôï áíôßèåôï. Ïé éóñáçëéíïß èÝëïõí íá ÷ôõðÞóïõí (áäéáöïñþíôáò ßóùò ãéá ôéò óõíÝðåéåò) åíþ ïé Áìåñéêáíïß ôï óêÝöôïíôáé ðïëý óïâáñÜ ôï üëï èÝìá. ÎÝñïõí üôé äåí áíôÝ÷ïõí íá áíïßîïõí êáé ôñßôï ìÝôùðï ( ìåôÜ ôï ÁöãáíéóôÜí êáé ôï ÉñÜê) üðùò åðßóçò êáé ôï ÷Üïò ðïõ èá áêïëïõèÞóåé ìå ôá ðåôñÝëáéá. 

shaman4

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« Reply #11 on: July 11, 2008, 04:14:59 »
Stratiotika Antexoun kai trito kai tetarto.
Politika den antexoun oute auta ta duo pou exoun ;D

mayrosaris

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« Reply #12 on: July 11, 2008, 04:16:38 »
koitaxe then einai katallhos topos na syzhtame ayta ta pragmata alla tha pw
oti oi askhseis metaxy evraiwn kai Ellhnwn einai kati san th formula 1, synagwnizontai
oi kalyteroi toy kosmou se ena atypo diagwnismo, twra h diplwmatia twn texanovlaxwn
prospathei na ekmetaleytei ta panta vlepontas fantasmata, pantou tromokrates se sphlies
xhmika kai pyrhnika programata pou den yparxoun aoratous exthrous ktl, den prepei na mas
enoxlei ayth h eidhsh oi kaoumpoydes prospathoun na dhmiourghsoun polla provlhmata sth
xwra mas me skopiana, megales alvanies, roumanovlaxous as mh dinoume shmasia, aytes oi eidhseis
einai plhrwmenes kai kateythynomenes apo thn presveia twn texanovlaxwn.

YG Leyteria sto new mexico thn california kai to texas as stamathsei epitelous h katapiesh ths
mexikanikhs meionothtas sthn usa. ( vlepeis pws mporw na dhmiourghsw kai egw ena provlhma
se mia xwra an thelw na to kanw?)

mayrosaris

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« Reply #13 on: July 11, 2008, 04:20:17 »
File milwall axiologhse thn eidhsh einai h prwth fora pou egine askhsh metaxy
Ellados kai israhl? oxi fysika, mia askhsh den odhgei se polemo, dhladh gia kathe
askhsh pou egine sto parelthon metaxy Ellados kai Israhl an akolouthise enas polemos
apo tous evraious (synhtheia to exoun allwste) ftaime emeis oi Ellhnes?

Argonath4

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« Reply #14 on: July 11, 2008, 04:26:25 »
Stratiotika Antexoun kai trito kai tetarto.
Politika den antexoun oute auta ta duo pou exoun ;D


Äåí íïìßæù… ÎÝñåéò üôé Ý÷ïõí óïâáñü ðñüâëçìá ( êõñßùò óôéò åéäéêÝò äõíÜìåéò)íá åðáíäñþóïõí ôéò ìïíÜäåò ôïõò ; ÐïëëÝò ìïíÜäåò ôéò åèíïöñïõñÜò ôïõò ( ïé åöåäñåßåò óôçí ïõóßá) áíáãêáóôÞêáí íá êéíçôïðïéçèïýí ãéá ôá 2 ìÝôùðá êáé áêïýóôçêå üôé åðáíÝöåñáí óå õðçñåóßá ìÝ÷ñé êáé áðüóôñáôïõò. 

Êáé äåí âÜæù ìÝóá ôï ïéêïíïìéêü êáé ðïëéôéêü êüóôïò ðïõ åßíáé åðßóçò ôåñÜóôéï.

Melb4

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« Reply #15 on: July 11, 2008, 04:28:02 »
koitaxe then einai katallhos topos na syzhtame ayta ta pragmata alla tha pw
oti oi askhseis metaxy evraiwn kai Ellhnwn einai kati san th formula 1, synagwnizontai
oi kalyteroi toy kosmou se ena atypo diagwnismo, twra h diplwmatia twn texanovlaxwn
prospathei na ekmetaleytei ta panta vlepontas fantasmata, pantou tromokrates se sphlies
xhmika kai pyrhnika programata pou den yparxoun aoratous exthrous ktl, den prepei na mas
enoxlei ayth h eidhsh oi kaoumpoydes prospathoun na dhmiourghsoun polla provlhmata sth
xwra mas me skopiana, megales alvanies, roumanovlaxous as mh dinoume shmasia, aytes oi eidhseis
einai plhrwmenes kai kateythynomenes apo thn presveia twn texanovlaxwn.

YG Leyteria sto new mexico thn california kai to texas as stamathsei epitelous h katapiesh ths
mexikanikhs meionothtas sthn usa. ( vlepeis pws mporw na dhmiourghsw kai egw ena provlhma
se mia xwra an thelw na to kanw?)

plhrwmenes kai kateythynomenes apo thn presveia twn texanovlaxwn <-- kai poioi nomizeis plironoun? H proti efimerida pou evgale tin eidisi itan i NY Times...

mayrosaris

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« Reply #16 on: July 11, 2008, 04:32:51 »
ayto akrivws ennow ayrio tha thn anaparagoun ola ta ellhnika kanalia
kai isws exoume kai pentakosia parathyra gia na gemisei to programma
ths tv o arxhgos edwse grammh (ny times) kai ta gousoufakia akolouthoun
(ellhnika  media).

Melb4

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« Reply #17 on: July 11, 2008, 04:44:00 »
alla pane ligo pio piso...oi NY Times apo poious kathodigountai....

Argonath4

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« Reply #18 on: July 11, 2008, 04:44:39 »
File milwall axiologhse thn eidhsh einai h prwth fora pou egine askhsh metaxy
Ellados kai israhl? oxi fysika, mia askhsh den odhgei se polemo, dhladh gia kathe
askhsh pou egine sto parelthon metaxy Ellados kai Israhl an akolouthise enas polemos
apo tous evraious (synhtheia to exoun allwste) ftaime emeis oi Ellhnes?



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mayrosaris

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« Reply #19 on: July 11, 2008, 04:56:12 »
pistepse me yphrxan, yphrxan. O pilotos poy den hxere tourkika,
mhpws exei sxesh me tis dekades parabiaseis pou kanoun oi kakoi tourkoi enw
emeis den kanoume tipota? tha hthela na to pistepsw alla opws eipe kai o
kaloghrou sth lola << einai polla ta lefta arh>> ... twn exoplismwn tha pw egw,
eimaste oi kalyteroi pelates tous emeis kai oi tourkoi tha kanoun otidhpote gia na poulhsoun
kai alla, oi sxeseis Ellados kai tourkias einai mia mikrografia toy psyxrou polemou, (se
poly mikrh klimaka vevaiws).