Οκτώβριος 2003 επιχείρηση κερδίζω χρόνο (κριτική στο αντίστοιχο editorial)

[HANNEMAN.4]

Meta thn prwinh propaganda,en merei,
kata ths kyvernhshs (kai synepws,yper ths antipoliteyshs)
sto editorial Epixeirhsh "kerdizw xrono",
(lew "en merei",dioti polla apo ayta pou grafei o syntakths einai swsta),
stelnw thn Kalhmera mou se olous.
P.A.O.K.,nikhse kai pali kai trelane mas gia allh mia fora.

                             M E  T O N

                             P . A . O . K

                       S T H N   K A R D I A

               P.A.O.K. P A N T O U  KAI  P A N T A .
                             

         
     
                 

[chris]

Meta thn prwinh propaganda,en merei,
kata ths kyvernhshs (kai synepws,yper ths antipoliteyshs)
sto editorial Epixeirhsh "kerdizw xrono",
(lew "en merei",dioti polla apo ayta pou grafei o syntakths einai swsta),
stelnw thn Kalhmera mou se olous.
P.A.O.K.,nikhse kai pali kai trelane mas gia allh mia fora.

                             M E  T O N

                             P . A . O . K

                       S T H N   K A R D I A

               P.A.O.K. P A N T O U  KAI  P A N TA .    

ola wraia k kala.kai xwris na exw dia8esw na to paiksw dikhgoros tu giannh/dikefalou.den to exei anagh allwste..na 8ymisw omws kapoia pragmata: gia TOTE

..arxes ioulh
pou xiliades PAOKtshdes meta thn 1h proponhsh ths omados.. kanan thn poreia sto ypourgeio
makedonias/8rakhs.. kai fwnazan MONO ANTIKYBERNHTIKA SYN8HMATA htan oloi tus SYMPTWMATIKA neodhmokrates?h na
to pw alliws:oxi pasoktshdes?OLOKLHRO TOPIC EXEI TO FORUM ME 53 POST,edw sthn enothta podosfairo.gia rixto mia matia :
TH ΠΕΜΠΤΗ ΣΤΙΣ 7μμ ΟΛΟΙ ΤΟΥΜΠΑ

h na pw oti den eixan bgalh tote kai ANAKOINWSH OLOI OI SYNDESMOI?
idou to topic sthn enothta syndesmoi: OLOI OI SYNDESMOI TOY PAOK 'SYLALHTHRIO THN PEMPTH 3/7/2003

h na ypo8esw oti kanhs sas/mas DEN exei akousei,DEN exei ma8ei oti se OLES anaikseretws
tis radiofwnikes ekpompes twn syndesmwn edw k mhnes PANTA yparxei h anafora <<oi ekloges plhsiazoun,k.benizele
,lianh,tsoxatzopoule,xrysoxoidh,ktl ktl .OLOI tus symptwmatika einai neodhmokrates?OLOI tus?

h na ypo8esw oti kanhs sas/mas DEN exei akousei,DEN exei ma8ei oti sxedon se oles tus tis anakoinwseis
twn syndesmwn yparxoun ANTIkybernhtikes aixmes?-toses k toses anakoinwseis yparxoun sto forum sthn enothta syndesmoi.tis diabazei kanhs?E OLOI OLOI OLOI oi syndesmoi dhladh apotelountai
apo pshfoforous ths neas dhmokratias?

na to "mperdepsw" ligo akoma?me thn ypo8esh tu galakterou..tis poreies pu eixan ginei TOTE...me tis
apeiles pros ton tote prw8ypourgo k kybernhsh..mhpws TOTE  den htan kybernhsh h nea dhmokratia?

opaaaa..o ana8ematismenos laos tu paooookk
thn mia ton eixame gia PASOK(ypo8esh galakterou)......k edw k kairo mas "thn bgainh" san an oxi ND tulaxiston anti-PASOK

apla ta pragmata loipon giati symbainh afto:
giati o PAOKtshs einai PAOKtshs.oxi "paoktshs"

[Yang]

Oxi, aderfe eisai la8os. Politiko 8ema den uparxei. Se diabebaio oti sto sunolo mas eimaste oudeteroi -oi suntelestes tou paokworld- kai pote den exei anafer8ei metaksu mas politikh koubenta. Mono mia fora otan eixa rothsei poia einai h oned kai h psat sta panepistimia, mias kai toso asxetos eimai ego. Den exei na kanei me kanena koma, alla me thn uparxousa kubernhsh, to keimeno 8a grafotan auto opiadhpote komma kai an htan sthn kubernhsh.

Emeis etsi to eidame, kai auto to sumperasma bgalame, apo polla pragmata. Esena den se parekseneuei, oti auto to keimeno einai alh8eia kai oti einai profhtiko?? Ego ena ksero paok eimai kai stis ekloges paok pshfizo, otan pshfizo. Kai otan leo paok pshfizo to ennoo, extos apo mia fora pou pshfisa frantzesko, ths alles hte ebala anakoinosh tou sundesmou mou, hte paoktsh, hte egrapsa paok me markadoro sto leuko. Kalos h kakos o paok, kai o ka8e paok, omades me lao, exoun na kanoun me tis ekloges kai tis ekastote kubernhseis. To 8ema einai pos ka8e fora dinetai lush prin tis ekloges.
Kalhmera kai se esena kai se ollous tous trellamenous, alla kai kalhnuxta se emena kai se allous boreia amerikh.
Makhs

[Δικέφαλος]

Meta thn prwinh propaganda,en merei,
kata ths kyvernhshs (kai synepws,yper ths antipoliteyshs)
sto editorial Epixeirhsh "kerdizw xrono",
(lew "en merei",dioti polla apo ayta pou grafei o syntakths einai swsta),
stelnw thn Kalhmera mou se olous.
P

Den yparxei "propaganda" kata kamias kybernhshs. Apopsh ekfrazw kai thn dikaiologw. Opws POLY eustoxa eipe o Yang (kallinyxta sou file) to keimeno 8a grafotane opoiodhpote komma kai na htane kybernhsh, ka8ws de metraei poios einai, alla ti kanei... H ousia einai oti egw (lew egw gia na mh parw sto laimo mou tous allous syntelestes)AYTO EINAI MALAKIA TOU SUNTAKH AFOU OLLOI SUMFONHSAME .. ISXY EN THN ENOSH yang. ps euxaristo giatis euxes. Eides perimeno na r8eite, mono o Billy lupei..oups edo einai....

to "egw" paei sth le3h "krinw", den mporoume na krinoume oloi me ton idio tropo, asxeta ean symfwnoume sto keimeno. Poies euxes re sy? Kallhnyxta se eipa.   Hr8e kai o Billys! Dikefalos

 krinw oti h sygkekrimenh ka8ysterhsh lyshs ofeiletai sto oti h kybernhsh 8elei na ferei to problhma tou PAOK (kai ta katafernei) mesa se proeklogikh periodo kai na epwfelh8ei.

Koita oles tis dhmofileis omades kai des ti symbainei... Oloi seira exoune parei gia na milhsoune me thn politeia...

Dikefalos

PS: O Chris proteine merika toipics tou forum autou. Epeidh mporei na mhn ta exeis diabasei, phgaine ri3e mia matia, pragmatika a3izoun... A re Chris me tis baseis dedomenwn!  

[spinos_4]

Kai kati allo gia dieukrinisi:
otan leme stin kivernisi oti tha tous mayrisoume den enooume oti tha pifisoume nd...
to "maurous tha sas kanoume" paei pros oles tis kateuthinsis ohi kapou sigekrimena kai ohi se kapoio sigekrimeno komma...

[pavlosk]

HANEMMAN.4 mou thymises me auto pou egrapses :kata ths kyvernhshs synepws yper ths antipoliteushs.

Thymase ti eipan oi amerikanoi meta ths 11 septembri : opoios den einai mazi mas einai automata yper tou allou.

Sigoura ksereis poly kala oti ta pragmata den einai etsi den yparxei mono to ena h to allo.

Epishs kseroume oti kalws h kalws ta kommata sthn ellada nomizoun oti prepei pantou na exoun aplwmena ta plokamia tous.... h logikh auth twn 2 megalwn kommatwn einai pou ta exei kanei SKATA.

O YANG eipe oti paei kai pshfizei P.A.O.K. kai tipota allo....etsi prepei na ginei mia fora apo olous mas....isws tote katalavoun ta kommata oti allo h politikh kai allo o athlitismos.

pavlosk

[chris]

paidia eiste oi "kalyteroi mpaladoroi".enow oti mou dwsate pali "pasa" gia na ypen8ymisw kati se olous mas:

OLA MA OLA ta ar8ra pou "anebainoun" sto PAOKWORLD einai PANTA E-NY-PO-GRA-FA.

• 8elw na pw oti an einai tu yang=exoun ypografh yang
• 8elw na pw oti an einai tu yin=exoun ypografh yin
• 8elw na pw oti an einai tu eloy/sakh=exoun ypografh eloy/sakh
• 8elw na pw oti an einai tu homo paokus=exoun ypografh homo paokus
• 8elw na pw oti an einai tu giannh/dikefalou=exoun ypografh giannh/dikefalou
• 8elw na pw oti an einai tu billy=exoun ypografh billypoglwsios
• 8elw na pw oti an einai tu "x" episkepth=exoun ypografh tu "x" episkepth(afta dhladh pu mpainun sthn enothta 'ta dika sas ar8ra')
• to idio k MESA sto forum.oti topic anoigetai apo ton "y" ekfrazei ton "y"

DEN SHMAINH dhladh oti egrapse kati kapoios,k dh apo thn ekt.omada tu site paei na pei oti DEN PREPH NA DIAFWNEITE.EPIBALETE na diafwneite me opoiondhpote apo emas krinetai skopimo oti prepei h emeis me esas ;D
DIALOGO k antalagh apopsewn kanoume edw.an htan na symfwnusame oloi metaksy mas..asta na pane :P

8elw na pw to EDITORIAL thn ypografh tu giannh/dikefalou den exei?E FYSIKA AFOU O GIANNHS TO EGRAPSE ;D
diafwneite?kala kanete k grapste k tis diafwnies sas k giati ,opws ekane o @haneiman.koubenta na ginetai k as diafwnume.EDW ZEVGARIA DIAFWNOUN K SKYLOTRWGONTAI PU ZOUN K MAZI emeis edw den 8a diafwnhsoume an xreiastei? :) sxiste loipon ton giannh/dikefalo!xaxaxa :lol:

Y.G.h MONADIKH periptwsh na yparxoun ar8ra ME YPOGRAFH "PAOKWORLD" einai otan bebaia symfwnoume OLOI MAS.kai anti na baloume apo katw san ypografes 7! e-mail ,kanoume oikonomia ;)

Y.G.kai gia osous rwtate POIOI grafoun ta AR8RA pou exoun ypografh=PAOKWORLD:sthn pleiopshfia tus syntakths einai o homo paokus k akolou8ei o giannhs/dikefalos(aftoi oi 2 dhladh einai)

[Ouzounis]

Euxomai ta paidia tou PAOKWORLD na mhn grafoun auta pou grafoun na ta grafoun yia propaganta, alla yiati pisteuoun oti apoteloun stoixeia alhtheias.

Se polla pou grafei o Dikefalos exei dikio. (na mhn pw se olla).
Alla...
Auto pou blepoume edo sto eksoteriko, eidika apo ta kanalia pou mas steloun (ANT1/Mega/ERT) Pio poly to ANT1, einai to oti kai ginei sthn Ellada fteei h kybernhsh. Nomizw eimaste oi monoi ston kosmo pou xrisimophei to oti dipote yia politiko paixnidi.

Peutei xioni: Fteei h kybernhsh.
Kai vazei to ANT1 mia Kyria pou arxizei na brizei thn kyvernhsh yiati to xioni exei ftasei mexri thn porta ths kai den mporei na thn anoiksei.
Pare morh ena ftiari kai katharise to (EMeis pou ta koroida eimaste ston Kanada prepei na trexoume tote sto U.N??

Vrexei...H kybernhsh ftaiei.

H gunaika mou me apatei, ftaiei h kybernhsh (...edo mon ean o Xontros einai o 3os)

Gia th gnwmh pou exei shzhtithei, to Maurisma (pou anaferate kai pio pano).
To na "mauriseis" ton psifo sou ego nomizw einai blakia. Giati?
As eksigisw:

Then kerdizei kanenas. O skopos  kai to noima ths prakshs sou den tha th timisei/sevastei kanenas. Oute autos pou exase ton psifo sou, oute autos pou kerdise apo auth thn praksh.
(Sta galop den dixnoun to % pou psifisan PAOK) sorry MAKh.

Otan o poliths psifizei ena koma, to kanei yiati pisetuei oti sta pio polla simia ths zwhs tou tha ton vohthisei auto to koma, kai den to kanei mono yia ena komati ths zwhs tou (DLD yia PAOK)

Fantazeste na psifizeis (h na mhn) kai bgei to koma pou tha sou faei thn douleia, kai den tha exeis leuta na pas na deis ton PAOK? Nai..borei na sou vrei proedro yia thn Omada pou agapas alla na sou faei thn douleia kai oute fanela, oute kaskol oute LYN oute tipota den tha boreseis na exeis?

Den borei o PAOKtshs na xrhsimopihte apo oute kyvernhsh alla pio poly oute apo antipoliteush.
Den pisteuw oti mia kybernhsh tha vrei lhsh sto thema tou PAOK ligo prhn ths ekloges mono kai mono yia na einai to "thauma" fresko sta mualla twn PAOKtshdwn psifoforwn. Den pisteuo na eimaste toso blakes oi PAOKthsdes na trexoume san provata.
Kai antipoliteusei pos borei na vrei telos sta provlhmata tou PAOK?? Tha thn agorasei auth thn omada?
Tha brei atomo pou tha to kanei??? Ama einai etsi, prepei na bgei kybernhsei prota??? (Dhladh tote, kai auth perimenei thn katalhlh stigmh)


Amma o Kokkalis eperne ton PAOK tha psifizame PASOK ama prhn 4 xronia eixame psifisei ND ktl? Den nomzw.

Einai sgoura anthropoi (ISOS kai edo mesa) pou einai FANATIKOI ND h PASOK oso einai kai PAOK.  KAi apo authn thn apopsh boroun na  ekmetaleuthoun ton pio "mikro" opos theloun autoi me auta pou grafoun.

Kai isos kapies skepseis pou exete/exoume einai me vash thn politikh, na mhn tis vazete san editorial alla san "Topic" sto katalilo Thread.

Kia kati allo...
Ama o BAToudis einai Pasok kai o Kissandrakis ND, kai bgei nea kybernhsh kai mpei san kainourgios agorasths o Kissandrakis, pios mas leei oti o PAOK tha einai pio dunatos?
Afou o Batatoudhs (pou leme oti einai PASOK) den exei kataferei na kanei ton PAOK isxhro, otan to koma pou ton stirizei einai sthn eksousia edo kai xronia.

O PAOK einai poly pio megalos apo opiodipote koma. Pio pallios.
Den prepei na xrisimopioun to PAOK alla antitheta...

O PAOK einai aneksarthtos. Oudeteros. Tou Laou.
Prepei na exei megalometoxo pou na mhn peutei deksia h aristera. Prepei na steketai monos tou. Yparxei tetoios?


Posted by: Yang  Posted on: Today at 11:00:38  
..... Ego ena ksero paok eimai kai stis ekloges paok pshfizo, otan pshfizo. Kai otan leo paok pshfizo to ennoo, extos apo mia fora pou pshfisa frantzesko, ths alles hte ebala anakoinosh tou sundesmou mou, hte paoktsh, hte egrapsa paok me markadoro sto leuko.

A re Yang...esu isoun;
Kala re...psifizeis kai ston Kanada?

 

[ALEX]

epidi to thema egine politiko kai kapioi ethelotiflun/strumfokamilzun gia tin agapi tus pros ena komma na po kati, pleon n.d i pasok einai to ena kai auto stin politiki pu askun ksexaste ta deksia aristera kentrous kai loipes malakies pleon to thema einai apo pu tros psomi.oi kke einai osa den ftani i alepu ta kani kremastaria opos kai oi oipoloipoi <<mikroi>>.
katheste kai <<malonete>> gia mia dithen kai demek propaganda pu egrapse enas PAOKtsis pu etsi ta vlepi etsi krini gia to kalo tu PAOK kai oxi enos komatos.
anti loipon na dite oti pane na valun TOURKIKA sta sxolia apo NIPIAKES ilikies akoma, gia ti? gia psifus.
anti na dite oti oloi xaironte otan enas me ellinki IPIKOTITA kai oxi ITHAGENIA perni ena xriso metalio
otan erxete i stigmi enas pu den exei ute elliniki ithagenia/ipikotita alla o nomos ton kalipti na sikosi tin elliniki simaia stin parelasi vasi tis vathmologias olus pu xaironte tus piani to ethnikistiko tus.
re ust malakes gelao mazi sas.
anti na kanun poria diamartirias gia ta anoixta sinora pu exun kanei megali zimia (opos apodikniete tora) kanane oloi tumpaki giati to komma tus tha eperne psifus o men me tus alvanus kai o den me tus tsetsenus kai ta ipoloipa fruta eks anatolis.
tora omos pu fovaste eseis oloi pu tote kanate tumpeka na afisete to PAIDI sas na pai na paiksi se 1 parko pu tremete gia tin kori sas otan girnai arga to vradi min tis tin pesi kaneis.ti lete?
otan erthei i stigmi to paidi sas i akoma kai eseis oi idioi na kanete mia aitisi se dimosia ipiresia kai sas lene protereotita exun oi <<OIKONOMIKOI METANASTES>> kai meta vlepume gia esas.pos niothete?
otan o <<oikonomikos metanastis>> perni atoka dania kai xorigisis treles minieos gia tin katoikia tu kai oti mpori na valei o nus sas se logika plaisia tis kathimerinotitas tis koinonias pu zume.ESEIS PU TA PLIRONETE pos niothete?
kai iparxei poli megalo katevato akoma gia autus pu ethelotiflun mprosta sto simferon tu opoiudipote komatos ipostorizun <<tifla>>.

ps.@dikefalos
sto mono pu diafono me to kimeno su einai gia tis efimerides oti stirizun ena koma meso enos prosopu dld tu venizelu.giati pisteuo oti px.to metrosport pu einai <<deksion>> simferonton vgaini me protoselido i lisi einai o venizelos den to kani gia na stiriksi to paosk ala gia na stiriksi tis polisis tu kai tpt allo to idio isxioi gia olus tus dimosiografus.auto mono einai to simio pu diafono ta loipa ta exeis topothetisi poli sosta kata tin gnomi mu.

[HANNEMAN.4]

Ontws,plhsiazoume stis ekloges,h ekvash twn opoiwn einai,
ousiastika pleon,8ema ligwn mhnwn.
Den einai tyxaio,opws leei kai o Dikefalos,oti oi pio shmantikes
omades exoun eksoagwnistika provlhmata kai 8emata pros
epilysh me thn politeia.
Exeis dikio Giannh(/Dikefalos).
H polypo8hth lysh sto provlhma tou P.A.O.K. dianyei,ki auth me th seira ths,thn proeklogikh periodo:
8a yparksoun yposxeseis gia epilysh tou provlhmatos,twra,
pou h periodos einai krisimh,yposxeseis pou,outws h' allws,lamvanoume apo kairo.
Oi yposxeseis omws aytes (8a) proerxontai apo
             O L E S  T I S  P L E Y R E S
oxi mono ths kyvernhtikhs paratakshs (pou den aksiw8hke na vrei lysh)
alla kai ths antipoliteyshs,ths polla yposxomenhs antipoliteyshs h opoia,me to pou 8a anevei sthn eksousia,8a ferei th "rizikh allagh" se olous tous tomeis kai ta panta 8'arxisoun,ws dia mageias,na leitourgoun teleia!..
                  -8a dwsei lysh ston P.A.O.K.mas..
                  -8a dwsei lefta stous ftwxous..
                  -Mexri kai to "Mpatsok",pou egrafe sto parel8on o filos arafat4,sto topic "Synodos",8a papsei na yfistatai(les kai oi astynomikoi,ksafnika,8a metamorfw8oun se "a8wa,deksia plasmatakia" .
Oi yposxeseis loipon,polles kai APO TOUS DYO POLOUS ths eksousias,sthn Ellada.

Lyse mou mia aporeia file Giannh:
Poies einai oi "synoptikes diadikaseies"me tis opoies eixe nikhsei stis teleutaies ekloges h kyvernhsh;Mhpws se pollous telika,den arese to "piswgyrisma"tou eklogikou apotelesmatos,thn teleytaia,kyriolektika,stigmh;

Kalh vradeia se olous.                    

[Δικέφαλος]

Oi yposxeseis omws aytes (8a) proerxontai apo
             O L E S  T I S  P L E Y R E S
oxi mono ths kyvernhtikhs paratakshs (pou den aksiw8hke na vrei lysh)
alla kai ths antipoliteyshs,

Symfwnw! Pote den eipa oti h antipoliteush einai kalliterh... ESY to "ype8eses" auto, enw POU8ENA den anaferetai sto keimeno... Symfwnw APOLYTA oti auto pou les einai pi8anotato. Kai 3ereis giati? Giati KAI thn antipoliteush thn BOLEUEI na paei to 8ema sto proeklogiko... Giati KAI ekeinh 8a mporesei na "poulhsei yposxeseis"... Gia auto den milaei akoma, gia auto "3afnika" emfanisthke o Kissandrakis se periptwsh pou "paei na ginei h allagh" me ton goumeno... Na PROLABEI h8ele... Twra pou eide oti 8a trabh3ei, perimenei... ENNOEITAI oti KAI oi dyo boleuontai... Apla, to ar8ro milaei gia thn kybernhsh giati AUTH yposxe8hke "lysh".  

Lyse mou mia aporeia file Giannh:
Poies einai oi "synoptikes diadikaseies"me tis opoies eixe nikhsei stis teleutaies ekloges h kyvernhsh;Mhpws se pollous telika,den arese to "piswgyrisma"tou eklogikou apotelesmatos,thn teleytaia,kyriolektika,stigmh;

"Synoptikes diadikasies" den ennow "pousties" giati ypo8etw oti auto katalabes. Den egrapsa keimeno me "politikh kritikh", egrapsa thn gnwmh mou GIATI TRABAEI H BALITSA SE MAKROS ME TO 8EMA TOU PAOK. 8a apanthsw pantws sthn erwthsh sou: "Synoptikes diadikasies" gia mena htan h anakyrh3h eklogwn, giati to PASOK ekrine oti thn sygkekrimenh xronikh stigmh eixe ena mikro abantaz pou mporei na to exane (mporei lew) ean perimene, kai me "synoptikes diadikasies" ekane ekloges, pianontas aproetoimasto ton antipalo kai kanontas tou mat... Foberh kinhsh ean 8es na thn krineis politika, alla DEN EINAI TO 8EMA MAS AUTO. Auto ennow. Oso gia th deuterh erwthsh ean me peira3e pou egine to gyrisma teleutaia stigmh, den 8elw na to sxoliasw. Egw gia ton PAOK egrapsa. Steile proswpiko ean 8eleis na anoi3oume allh syzhthsh oi dyo mas.

Kalo brady kai se sena  

Dikefalos

[AK4]

Aderfia halaroste
Parakolouthisa me poli endiaferon tis andalages apopseon sas
ke eho na po mono afto:
Eho psifisi arketes fores sti zoi mou elpizontas se diaforon idon
"lisis","alages" i opos alios thelete pite to.Apotelesma kathe fora to ena ke to afto:PAPARIA
Ite prasini ine i kivernisi ite ble o PAOK parameni omada tis Thessalonikis,pragma pou simeni oti o kathe paparopolitikos mas thimate prin tis ekloges...En oligis,psifiste tous,mavristes
tous,kanete oti goustarete ala sinehiste na agapate tin omada mas

P.S.To kalitero tis vradias - makran - apo to filo Yang:
Oned i Psat aderfe ?? Eriksa to gelio.....pragmatika me epises oti den asholithikes pote me tin skatopolitiki

[Maestro]

Oles oi apopseis poly kales.
Ego tha simfoniso me ton OUZOUNI.
Eixa xronnia na pao Ellada kai otan piga diapistosa akrivos to idio pragma. Yia ola fteei i kivernisi. ( DEN PERNO POLITIKI THESH ALLA KOINONIKH) Htan pragmatika kourastiko na akouo ta idia kai ta idia. Vrexei xionizei, i kivernisi fteei. Einai vevea metavatiki periodos yia thn Ellada kai fisika polloi antropoi pernane diskoles ores. Alla kaka ta psemata ean thelome tis aneseis tou "amerikanilkou sistimatos" tha ipostoume kai tis epiptoseis. Yiati ekei pame pros olotaxos.
Tora yia thn omadara mas na sas po thn alitheia den nomizo oti tous poliendiaferi anyways. Opos eipe kai kapoios allos o kathenas tha psifisei afto pou nomizei oti tha einai kalitero yia thn kathimerini tou zoh, yia to pedi tou, yia thn oikogeneia tou.
Den vazo to geniko koinoniko kalo yiati eimaste kai ligo partakides alla den variese kai poios den einai. Ara den nomizo na epireastei h psifos tou kathenos logo tou PAOK.
By the way den ksero ean iparxei allou topic yi' auto to thema alla ti nomizete yia to thema ths simeas sthn Mixaniona?
...xexe aniksa megali kouventa (Admin let us know ean tha anikseis auto to topic se allh enotita)

[HANNEMAN.4]

Kalhmera,paidia.
Einai spoudaio pou antallazoume tis apopseis mas,
hrema kai omorfa,se ena politismeno klima.
Eimai sigouros oti edw,sto forum mas,eimaste se 8esh na kouventiasoume gia shmantika 8emata ki ayto einai pou
me kanei na 8elw na symmetexw energa.
S'eyxaristw file Giannh(/Dikefalos) gia tis kouventes sou
(x8es vrady,den prolava na dw to post sou kai to diavasa to prwi).
Epishs,file AK4,8a synexisoume panta n'agapame ton P.A.O.K.mas giati :

      O P.A.O.K. E I N A I (KAI) H P R O S P A 8 E I A M A S

                     G I A      A  N  T  I  D  R  A  S  H .

Y.G. : File Yang,etsi,panta trelos PAOKTSHS!
         Kai kalhnyxta sou kiolas,afou se kamia writsa "thn   pefteis" gia ypno!
           
                   Me PAOKTSHDIKOUS xairetismous
                                 HANNEMAN.4
                 
                       

[chris]

By the way den ksero ean iparxei allou topic yi' auto to thema alla ti nomizete yia to thema ths simeas sthn Mixaniona?
...xexe aniksa megali kouventa (Admin let us know ean tha anikseis auto to topic se allh enotita)

re 8a mas kathgorhsoun oti den afhnoume na anoigete k TOPIC.sto GENIKO FORUM re paidia grafoume gia tetoia 8emata-pou den exoun sxesh dhladh me ton PAOK..ante anoiksa ena egw,mpeite na ta poume k ekei.aaaaa....epeidh dhladh KANENAS EPISKEPTHS den anoikse TOPIC gia tsenai-mhxaniwna-albanous 8a ftaime EMEIS?

[Δικέφαλος]

Tora yia thn omadara mas na sas po thn alitheia den nomizo oti tous poliendiaferi anyways. Opos eipe kai kapoios allos o kathenas tha psifisei afto pou nomizei oti tha einai kalitero yia thn kathimerini tou zoh, yia to pedi tou, yia thn oikogeneia tou.
Den vazo to geniko koinoniko kalo yiati eimaste kai ligo partakides alla den variese kai poios den einai. Ara den nomizo na epireastei h psifos tou kathenos logo tou PAOK.

Den milame gia tous "pollous" pou 8a psifisoun bash politikwn ideologiwn. Milame gia autous tous "ligous" oi opoioi ephreazontai, skeftontai, kai merikes fores psifizoun me thn omada tous sto myalo. Symfwnw oti autoi oi an8rwpoi mporei na mhn einai para polloi, alla se ekloges pou h kybernhsh bgainei ORIAKA, KA8E pshfos einai polytimh, kai ta kommata mprosta sto kinhtro 4 xronwn e3ousias 8a ypologisoun KAI autous tous ligous...

Dikefalos