To a8hnaiko/peiraiwtiko katesthmeno

[bannon]

auto pou prepei na skeftoume oloi, einai me pio tropo tha mporesoume na polemisoume olous autous pou polemane mia zoi tin voreia ellada kai olous tous ekfrastes tis, me kiriotero olon tin idea mas, ton PAOK. i dinami pou exoume oloi mas, i agorastiki mas dinami mporei kai prepei na fanei sta tameia olon afton pou mas theoroun amerikanakia. entaxei re paidia, den exoun oloi tin dinatotita na agorasoun diarkeias, mplouzes klp enisxiontas etsi tin omada mas. omos gala den agorazoume oloi? giati na kanoume magkes tous kathe fage, delta klp? gia na mas poulane prologo oti to proion tous paragetai sti makedonia? gia na dioikoun to aekaki kai na mas polemoun me ta esoda apo tis dikes mas agores? na poume gia panafon, intralot (kokkalis), avin (valitsogiannis), fage, mimikos (fillipou, granitsas), trapeza peiraios (sallas) pou eno psixoragouse to aekaki to martio, tous edose to fili tis zois me 600M kai diafimisi sti fanella? mporoume na katefthinoume etsi tis agores mas gia na dosoume to stigma mas. mporoume na ipostirixoume tous sponsores pou tha boithisoun tin omada mas. mporoume na ipostirixoume gigeneis etaireies na megalosoun kai na sponsonaristoun stin omada mas. meta klaigomaste kai leme den iparxoun epixirimaties kai ependites gia na endiaferthoun gia ton PAOK kai synexeia peftoume sta athinaika lamogia. exoume dinami kai prepei na ti dixnoume kathe mera. giati to thema einai ideologiko!

[pavlosk]

emena pali me enoxlei kai poly malista oso einai akoma o mpatman sthn koryfh tou PAOK.

Kai o logos einai aplos den thelw pali na trexw to kalokairi kai na klaigome kai na odyromai kai na fwnazw kai na vrizw thn politikh eksousia gia thn mizeria tou PAOK kai gia t dithen krato twn athinwn.

Autoi mas exoun grammenoi sta @@ tous oute kan tous endiaferi o PAOK giati arkoumaste kai me ta liga, mas petane loipon psixoula kai emeis san zhtianoi pou eimaste ta dexomaste.....

Tha mas fovithoun omws otan exoume mia sovarh kai aneksarthth doihkhsh pou na kserei na proaspizei ta symferonta tou PAOK entos kai ektos agwnistikou xwrou.

Mia tetoia doihkhsh kat eme den einai efikth oso eionai akoma mesa sta pragmata o mpatman.

palvlosk

[karlito4]

emena pali me enoxlei kai poly malista oso einai akoma o mpatman sthn koryfh tou PAOK.

Kai o logos einai aplos den thelw pali na trexw to kalokairi kai na klaigome kai na odyromai kai na fwnazw kai na vrizw thn politikh eksousia gia thn mizeria tou PAOK kai gia t dithen krato twn athinwn.

re sy pavlosk to dh8en kratos twn a8hnwn den to katalavainw pou les.me mia kouventa anatrepeis ola ayta pou pistevoume.fusika yparxei kratos twn a8hnwn kai symferonta pou eksyphretoun tis omades twn a8hnwn.

fysika yparxei kratos twn a8hnwn pou synexws trypane thn omada mas.

fysika yparxei kratos twn a8hnwn pou orizei diaithtes kamikazi kai klevoune va8mous h mallon dinoune kalpikes eukairies stis omades twn a8hnwn enantion tou PAOK mas.

fysika yparxei kratos twn a8hnwn kai ypallhlos aytou tou kratous einai kai o batatoudis.

fysika yparxei kratos twn a8hnwn to opoio sthrizetai kai yposthrizetai apo tous ekastote politikous. den einai dh8en einai pragmatikothta.

PAOK MIA ZWH.ENANTIA STO KATESTHMENO KAI STIS POUSTIES.ENANTIA SE OLOUS KAI SE OLA POU POLEMANE THN OMADA MAS.

[pavlosk]

xmmm autoto legomeno krato twn athinwn ti exei na fovithei apo ton PAOK ths teleutaias 15etias ? ?

monoi mas dialithikame podosfairika

monoi mas dialithikame oikonimika

eimastan ta teleutaia 15 xronia (peripou) ikanoi san omada na xtypisoume prwtathlima ?

Den arkei mono na exeis kalh omada entos agwnistikou xwrou alla kai mia eksisou kalhterh omada ektos pou n amhn afhnei na sfazoun tis prospatheies pou ginontai mesa sto teren na sfazontai sto gonato.

Otan loipon apokthsoume kai ta dyo tote tha asxolithoun pragmatika me ton PAOK oi athinaioi..alliws mia zwh tha eimaste oson afora ton prwtathlitismo anyparktoi.

Alla kai etsi na einai opws to les oti vazoun diathtes gia na mas kospoun vathmous sta metaksy mas mats.....kai pali to kanoun gia allous skopous kai oxi gia logous prwtathlitismou...etsi kai alliws o PAOK paei kai autoktonei se kati panaxaikes se kati aigalew se kati iwnikous klp klp.

Diafores twn 20 kai 30 vathmwn den einai mono apo sthmenes diathsies.

pavlosk

[Maestro]

Re pavlosk se oti exeis pei mexri tora simfono A-P-O-L-I-T-A.
As teleionoume me thn mizeria pou mas dernei...

[lemmy]

Μεγαλη αληθεια ειπες Pavlosk

[shpongle4]

xmmm autoto legomeno krato twn athinwn ti exei na fovithei apo ton PAOK ths teleutaias 15etias ? ?
exei na vovh8ei tis ekstrateies XILIADWN extremistwn apo th MAKEDONIA ka8e xrono....tote pu h ka8odos twn myriwn ekane tus pantes kai ta panta (apo estiatoria pu apo tis 4 to apogevma sth lamia mexri kai oloklhrus sta8mus trenwn (larishs) EKLEINAN!) na tremun...apo FOVO kata thn gnwmh pollwn, apo SEVASMO lata th gnwmh twn oswn gnwrizan!!!
eixe na vo8h8ei kai alla, mono pu ayto htan to pio shmantiko....
kai gia na mhn les oti exw meinei sta palia kai prepei na xypnhsw, pws allwste na kaneis PRWTA8LHTISMO OTAN STO SHMANTIKOTERO AGWNA THS XRONIAS SE AFHNUN XWRIS OPADUS????kai se afhnun me th symfwnh gnwmh kratus, astynomias, epae, pae....

eimastan ta teleutaia 15 xronia (peripou) ikanoi san omada na xtypisoume prwtathlima ?
twra plakitsa me kaneis e pavlara???posses fores akuses apo stomata allo8rhskwn sth periodo 1997-2003 oti o PAOK paizei th pio strwmenh mpalla??? 5? 4? 3? estw 2?

Den arkei mono na exeis kalh omada entos agwnistikou xwrou alla kai mia eksisou kalhterh omada ektos pou n amhn afhnei na sfazoun tis prospatheies pou ginontai mesa sto teren na sfazontai sto gonato
na ageiasei to stoma su adelfe....o ponos ka8e ÐÁÏÊôóÞ....ENAN GAMHMENO PROEDRO ANTAXIO TU LAU TU!!! O PAOK 8ELLEI PROEDRO ME ARXIDIA KAI OXI KA8E XRONO TA IDIA KAI TA IDIA

prosexe omws adelfe mhn paiseis sth pagida tu na gyriseis kai na peis, "e, as eixa kai egw egglhmaties proedrus (karras, mellisanidhs, koskwtas kai kai kai), kai as ekana prwta8lhtismo!!!"...ekei einai h nohth grammh tu yperhfanu ÐÁÏÊôóÞ me to rufiano a8hnaio.....KALYTERA MIA KUPA ME TO TSAMPUKA PARA MIA NTUZINA MESA STH PUSTIA!!!

Alla kai etsi na einai opws to les oti vazoun diathtes gia na mas kospoun vathmous sta metaksy mas mats.....kai pali to kanoun gia allous skopous kai oxi gia logous prwtathlitismou...etsi kai alliws o PAOK paei kai autoktonei se kati panaxaikes se kati aigalew se kati iwnikous klp klp.
kai poios se leei pavlara oti terma oi sfages sta derby (pu ti terma....olo kai xeirotera ginontai!!!gavros fetos 3 fores, pao, xan8h...), 8a sfazume ton paok me tis mikres omades wste oi opadoi na ta xwnun stus paixtes....exypno kolpaki e??? kai eykolo sthn efarmogh tu!!!

Diafores twn 20 kai 30 vathmwn den einai mono apo sthmenes diathsies
emena me endiaferei oti sto diagramma ths istorias tu paok h telitsa mphke sto 4.....kai propesry, kai persy, kai fetos, kai isws kai tu xronu!!!! twra oi diafores einai gia aytus pu kratan statistika stoixeia kai kanun erevnes agoras ....
h mhpws eixa dikio kai den hmun m'paok' otan elega stus gavrus (stis fiestes tus!!! ) oti den prepei na panyghrizun ta 2 teleytaia prwta8lhmata mias kai den ta peiran ws 'ka8aroi' prwtoi logw tu oti eixan idius va8mus me aek kai pao....

TO AN YPARXEI KRATOS TWN A8HNWN FILE PAVLO KAI OLOI OSOI SYMFWNEITE MPOREITE NA TO EXAKRIVWSETE SE OPOIA EKDROMH 8ELETE STO LEKANOPEDIO.....EKEI 8A DEITE AN YPARXEI TO KRATOS THS A8HNAS KAI TO POSO ASXOLEITAI ME THN PAOKARA MAS....

KAI ENNOEITE OTI O KALYTEROS YPALLHLOS TU KRATUS AYTU HTAN EINAI KAI SYNEXIZEI NA EINAI O KARKINIARHS BATMAN....MA KAI FYSIKA PANTOTE TO KRATOS THS A8HNAS STHRIZE THN EKASTOTE KYVERNHSH....KAI H ARXH AYTH ME TH SEIRA THS EXASFALIZE TA DEONTA (tropaia, paixtes, lefta mavra kai kai) GIA TIS OMADES TWN A8HNWN...

POLLOI APO EMAS ZHSAME MESA SE AYTO KRATOS....ALLOI PALI ETYXE NA GENNH8UN EKEI MESA STH XAVUZA...AKOMA PIO POLLOI KA8E XRONO MESA APO TIS EKDROMES-EPISKEPSEIS VLEPUN TH SAPILA TU KENTRU TWN APOFASEWN....

MEGALWSAME/ZHSAME/EIDAME GAVRUS/VAZELUS/KITRINES PUTANITSES deytera prwi sto sxoleio/duleia/kafeteria kai meta apo yper tus diaithsia to prohgumeno vrady, ANTI NA XAMHLWNUN TO KEFALI KAI NA NTREPONTE, na se vgazun kai gnwssa....na prospa8un na dikaiologhsun ta adikaiologhta me kathgories tu styl "kai eseis tote kanate ayto kai peirate to allo" kai xerw gw...kai sta polla strhmwgmata na su apantun me ena aplo kai toso asxeto kai ahdiastiko "v u l g a r e, esy ti milas...egw exw 32 prwta8lhmata kai xerw gw possa kypella" h "egw eftasa stus 4 ths evrwphs kai ekana ayto me ton ajax kai to allo me th real kai kai"......AYTH H SAPILA EINAI PU SIXAINOMASTE.....

AYTO EINAI TO KENTRO APOFASEWN PU YPARXEI KAI TOSO VRWMAEI...
...H A8HNA EXEI TH DYNAMH (h8ikoxrhmatikh) NA METATREPEI OLH TH SAPILA KAI KATAVR98A PU EKVALEI SE AYTH TH XAVUZA SE TITLUS KAI MEGALA ERGA...EXEI MIA AORATH (gia aytus alla pashfanhs se emas) IKANOTHTA NA MAS YPEN8IMHZEI KA8E LIGO KAI LIGAKI OTI H ELLADA EINAI APO TO KOLWNAKI KAI TA VOREIA PROASTEIA MEXRI TO ("megalytero limani ths xwras"   ) TO PEIRAIA!!!

EMEIS ME TH SEIRA MAS MESA APO THN AGAPH MAS GIA TO PAOK 9A TUS 8YMIZUME OTI EIMASTE EDW MONO KAI MONO GIA NA TUS 8YMIZUME OTI O NEOTEROS VASILIAS MAS TUS PEIRE MESA SE ENA VRADY....
OTI H POLH TUS TO XRYSO THS AIWNA TO MONO PU AFHSE WS PARAKATA8HKH STA PAIDIA THS KAI STA EGGONIA THS HTAN TA PERIFHMA TEIXH, PU PISW FYLASONTAN APO ANYPARXTUS EX8RUS!!!!AKOMA KAI TOTE FOVONTUSAN TON KA8ENA PU EFERNE ANTIRRHSH SE AYTO PU MONOI TUS APOFASIZAN...8ELLAN NA EINAI PRWTOI, DEN XREIAZONTUSAN UTE KAN TON DEYTERO, MIAS KAI AYTO TUS GEMIZE FOVO, VRWMOKOTES...
OTI TO POLY OMORFO(!!!) KAI ANAKAINISMENO(!!!) LIMANI TU PEIRAIA, MEGALURGHSE KAI EGINE GNWSTO ANA TO KOSMO WS XWROS XEMPUKWMATOS TU PLHRWMATOS KA8E EIDUS KARAVIU (karydotsuflo, fuskwto, piroga, trata, kri kri, ypovryxio, gkazadiko, epivatiko, aeroplanoforo, yperwkyanio)

[glow=white, black,2,300]EIMASTE EDW, TA AIWNIA FTERA TU DIKEFALU AETU MAS, GIA NA TUS 8YMIZUME OTI EIMASTE TOSO YPERHFANOI PU DIAFERUME APO AYTUS!!!ETSI WSTE AYTOI NA SYNEXISUN NA VLEPUN TA MUTRA TUS STO KA8REFTH KAI NA ANTILAMVANONTAI THS AHDIA, SAPILA KAI SIXAMARA PU PROSFERUN ME THN YPARXH TUS... [/glow]


PAOK PANTA KAI PANTU.....
PAOK MESA STO PUSTARA TO NOTO!!!!

kai epeidh vlepw na mu ta xWNun oi armodioi gia thn diathrhsh mias taxhs edw mesa, AS VRE8EI EPITELUS AYTH H PROEDRIA PU 8A MAS KANEI NA NIWSUME OLOKLHRWTIKA ANWTEROI APO TUS ALLUS...ola ayta ta xronia mas leipei ayto kai isws na einai ayto pu panta plhrwnume...ISWS AKOMA AKOMA KAI LYPAMAI POLY NA EINAI AYTO PU MAS KANEI NA DIKAIOLOGUME TA AISXH TWN ALLWN KAI NA EKLAMVANUME THN PUSTIA TU ALLU WS ADYNAMIA DIKIA MAS!!!
makari h arxh na ginei apo olus aytus pu asxolunte twra (einai kai polloi pana8ema tus...se tyxon stravh (ftu ftu) 8a prepei na vgazume makryskelh syn8hmata)...  

[pavlosk]

shpongle4 otan grafeis aderde kourazete o allos mono kai sthn skepsh na apanthsei

Telos pantwn einai thema pws to vlepei o kathenas, tha prospathisw na dw apanthsw h na pw thn gnwmh mou panw se auta pou egrapses :

Exoume kai leme me thn kathodo twn myriwn pou grafeis to thymame poly kala alla den pauei na htan mono 3 agwnistikes palia oi opies exoun ginei molis 1 kai mish ta teleutaia xronia, parolo auta den fovithikan toso giati gnwrizan oti den antexoume.[/color]


Gia thn kalh mpalla pou les
nai exw akousei polles fores na lene oti o PAOK paizei kalh mpalla....yphrxe omws kai to gamhmeno to ALLA....pou akolouthouse kai legane poso tha anteksei ? ? ?
eipame den arkei na paizeis mono mpalla otan thes na kaneis prwtathlitismo[/color]


gia roufianous PROEDROUS
ennoeite oti den thelw MALAKES pou na mou fernoun kypella me pousties OXI etsi na ta valoun ston kwlo tous[/color]


gia ta mats kai tis diafores vathmwn

Gia ta mats pou milaw ta exw dei kai exw spasei palia radiakia kai teleutaia thlecontrol apo thn adiaforia paiktwn mas,ekei den mas eftaige kaneis POKikos paragontas, exoume gamw thn trema mou mesa se auto to mpourdelo pou legete ellada na exoume kai taseis autoktonias

gia to ti travaei o ÐÁÏÊôóçò otan katevainei stin athina to kseroume kai an milas me gauro tha sou pei oti ta prwtathlimata tou vazelou kai ths aek einai sthmena kai ean milas me tous allous tha sou poun oti tou gaurou einai sthmena klp klp  skopos omws einai emeis ti kanoume kai ws twra tous afhnoume na moirazoun thn pita opws autoi goustaroun[/color]

gia na mhn polylogw ena teleutaio to aekaki tws deka ? prwtathlimatwn ean den eixe, ekei fysika pou aksize na to parei, ikanh dhoikhsh tha ta eperne ? ? gia ta prwtathlimata-tsampouka na ta valoun ston kwlo tous alla ekei pou aksize ta phre dioti autoi pou htan gyrw apo thn omada kanane swsth douleia.
Ean o PAOK apo to 70 mexri 90 eixe swstes dhoikhsies pou tha mporousan na prostatepsoun thn omada apo pousties tha eixame sigoura alla 8-10 prwtathlimata..alla apo 90 mexri shmera den eixame dyshxws oute dioikhsh oute omada[/color]

pavlosk

Y.G1 : na mhn ksexniomaste MPATATOUDI MPATATOUDI POUSTARA ANTE PARE TA SKYLIA SOU KAI KSANA STON PEIRAIA

Y.G2 : mhpws egine ligo mpourdelo to post pao ta xrwmata ? ?

Y.G3 : o megalyteros mou fovos einai mhn ginoume san ton rouli sthn dioikhsh kai autoi ksekinhsan me kontomhna, efyge irthe o zaxoudanhs gia ena xrono kai eginan ola mouni....etsi kai se mas nai men irthe o goumenos kai cia alla oi metoxes einai akoma ston MPAT-POYTANASGIO

[shpongle4]

shpongle4 otan grafeis aderde kourazete o allos mono kai sthn skepsh na apanthsei

TO MEGALO MU OPLO ADELFE....KOIMIZEIS TON ALLON KAI STA KAPAKIA NTU!!!!


ta ypoloipa (apanthseis, apopseis, empeiries) en kairw mias kai trexw san to kenterh aytes tis meres....


PAOK EDW PAOK EKEI PAOK 8A EIMAI MIA ZWH
KAI OSO ZW...........
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..........................8A TRAGUDW GAMW TON OLYMPIAKO,
TO MPATATUDH KAI TO XONTRO

[chris]

ASE TO "NTOY" NA TO KANW EGW ALEKSH kai akou edw MIA KAI KALH @pavlosk,giati apo thn mia exoume tis zestes apo thn allh -wres-wres- esena NA MAS ANEBAZHS THN PIESH me afta pou grafhs!
k den to kanhs EDW mono.EDW K 3 XRONIA,APO TON KAIRO TU GUESTBOOK TU PAOK.DE exeis -wres-wres- sta grafomena su to styl:"tu diaforetikou","tu psagmenou",k den kserw gw ti allo
SE AFTO TO FORUM EGW PROSWPIKA DEN PROKEITAI POTE! NA AFHSW KAPOION H KAPOIUS NA PEREKLINEI APO TON SKOPO PU EKSHPHRETEI AFTO TO FORUM:na einai dhladh to forum ta "syghnonounta doxeia" metaksy aftwn pu kseroume,aftwn pu exoume zhsei,aftwn pou ma8ainoume,aftwn pu diabazoume apo to ypoloipo kommati tu paokworld,aftwn pu antalasoume apopseis metaksy mas edw gia na MA8AINOUME

*8a mas milhseis twra k gia TO ANYPARKTO KAT ESE KATESTHMENO TWN A8HNWN!(eite afto phgazei apo to oti DEN KSEREIS?den gnwrizw an eisoun POTE ELLADA ta last 15-17 xronia KAI DEN ME ENDIAFEREI,eite apo thn entexnh propaganda twn opoiwn M.M.E. ka8esai k diabazhs?ALLIWS DEN MPORW NA EKSHGHSW THN AGNOIA SOU SE BASIKOTATA 8EMATA)
(opws k na exei DEN ME ENDIAFEREI KA8OLOU MA KA8OLOU!as prosexeis ti grafeis,giati kapoies apopseis su tis grafeis ktis ksanagrafeis-den mporei na einai dhladh ameleia h la8os ths mias foras.k den pane na su apantane kapoioi me epeixhrhmata,esy ksana epeimenhs!ANTIDRASTIKOUS GIA THN ANTIDRASH,ATOMA PU NOMIZOUN OTI 8A KSEXWRISOUN SAN THN MYGA MES STO GALA GIA TUS OPOIUS LOGOUS TUS MESA APO ENA FORUM DEN 8A TUS KANOUME THN XARH(allos einai o skopos aftou tu forum)

KATESTHMENO?

• tipota den 8ymasai gia thn ypo8esh tsigof ths aek to 88?nai tote pu AKSIA bghke h ael prwta8lhtria men(alla gia katesthmeno milhses k ephrease kai ton PAOK."psila gramata" men alla osoi 8ymountai 8a katalaboun
• tipota den ksereis gia thn ypo8esh kiape ligo argotera k to 8apsimo twn sthmenwn paixnidiwn tu bazelou-tote prwta8lhths- k emeis mia anasa apo pisw tu
• tipota den 8ymasai thn epomenh xronia ME THN APOXWRHSH TU PAOK APO TO GHPEDO ME TON VAZELO(na k mia magia pou eixe kanh o boulinos-na tu to anagnwrisoume-h to pws skata mas klepsan to kypelo ta bazelia thn idia xronia?
• tipota den 8ymasai H DEN KSEREIS gia to PANYSXIRO A8HNAIKO KATESTHMENO pu ekeinh thn xronia BAFTIZE ATYXHMA THN DOLOFONIA TWN 2 ADERFWN MAS meta apo agwna basket ALLA KSEREI NA MAS XTYPAEI K KALA THN YPO8ESH MPLIWNA K TOSA ALLA?
• den yphrxe TROMOS PANW APO THN POLH TWN A8HNWN tote pu 2.500-3.000 PAOKTSHDES A8HNAIOI BGAINAN K PANYGYRIZA(ME) to evrwpaiko kypelo basket?h 2 xronia argotera pu 15.000 PNIGAME TON PEIRAIA STA ASPROMAVRA PALI GIA TO BASKET?
• pali tipota den 8ymasai gia thn KLOPH TU PRWTA8LHMATOS BASKET ME GAY-BRO 2 XRONIA ARGOTERA NOMIZW K TON TELIKO "XWRIS KORDONIA" ME 5.000 LAOU?

(em bebaia ase tus allous na trwne sifonia,petres,maxairies,k sy na GRAFHS AFTA PU GRAFHS STO INTERNET!einai akyndino k sigouro)

• TI-PO-TA fysika den 8a ksereis k gia thn 7etia sthmenwn nikwn tu gay-brou ta last years.TI-PO-TA.oute gia ta sylalhtiria,OUTE GIA TIS DIWKSEIS,APEILES OPADWN TU PAOK APO TON KOKKALH T-O-T-E
• tipota pali den su 8ymizei to 2000 k pws mas EKLEPSE to prwta8lhma basket o vazelos sthn ekeinh seira mats pu eleikse 3-2,h thn prohgoumenh xronia me 4.500 lao sto kypelo sto sef
• tipota PALI DEN SU LEEI h apokalypsh me tis kasetes tu TRIANTAFYLOPOULU,to pws xasame oti xasame sto mats me vazelo tote(oi gavroi sto mats mas me ofh:"mhn dixnhs kartes",oi vazeloi "dwse kartes m emas paizoun meta!"
• ti SKATA allo na grapsw?SE EIPE O ALEKSHS GIA FETOS PU DEN MAS AFHSAN OUTE KAN! NA KATEBOUME SE ENA TOSO SHMANTIKO PAIXNIDI(kloubes eixe gemisei TOTE o oas8 gia na mhn EPEIXHRHSOUME NA KATEBOUME OUTE ME TRAINO)

kai einai tosa ma tosa akoma pu kourazomai na ta grafw AFOU ESY! 8A EPREPE NA TA KSEREIS PRWTOU -SYNEXIZEIS- NA BGAZHS BLAKES OLOUS EMAS K NA MAS EIRWNEVESAI GIA TO ANYPARKTO -KAT ESE- KATESTHMENO(k ainte na ta grafh afta kapoios parasyrmenos pitsirikas...einai OK gia mena.ALLA NA TA GRAFH K NA EPEIMENH XWRIS GNWSEIS TU PAREL8ONTOS KAPOIOS SAN ESENA PU EXEIS KAPOIA HLIKIA(30bale egrapses sto profile su) PAEI POLY.

eite loipon den ksereis,den ezhses,den 8ymasai DEN ME NOIAZEI
eite loipon afta su eipane,afta diabazhs, DEN ME ENDIAFEREI
eite loipon pleon ektei8esai DEN ME ENDIAFEREI PALI

ena katesthmeno PU ANAMFIBOLA pote! den prepei na leiturghsei san "kolymbh8ra tu sylwam" gia oles tis ypoloipes malakies twn dioikuntwn mas giati tote NAI!GINOMASTE OI "GRAFIKOI PAOKTSHDES" PU OLA TUS FTAINE EKTOS APO TIS DIKES TUS MALAKIES.

yparxei omws TROMERH APOSTASH apo afto! to shmeio mexri THS ISOPEDWSHS TWN PANTWN pu eknevristika epeixhrhs(ti nomizeis petyxinhs ektos apo to na ektei8esai?)

KAI ASE TIS PAPARATZES SU PERI LAOU TU PAOK K 3! KA8ODWN STHN A8HNA PALIOTERA.GNWRIZEIS TOOOSO KALA TA TU LAOU TU PAOK PRIN 1 H 2 DEKAETIWN K TWN MAZIKWN KA8ODWN TU?(dhladh egw pu emena apo to 90 a8hna ALLA EBLEPA?gia prosexe loipon ti ANAKRIBEIES grafhs)

oute oi allo8rhskoi den TOLMOUN na ta grapsoun afta(aftoi pu kseroun k 5 pragmata etsi?KAI LEW "GRAPSOUN" GIATI NAI! SE POLLA ALLO8RHSKA SITE "GRAFOUN" KAPOIOI TETOIES PAPARIES.DEN SHMAINH OMWS OTI EINAI GNWSTES H EZHSAN TA PRAGMATA PU GRAFOUN

afta kai TELOS loipon.ekanes mia fora MPOURDELO to topic mazi me ton arafat(TO TOPIC GIA TON AGGELO LEW)....eipame entaksei,paei sto diaolo

AFHSES ANAPANTHTA TA ERWTHMATA PU SU E8ESE O SHPONGLE STO TOPIC "Panachaiki-PAOK 2-2"(symperifores tu styl "eimai anwteros","apaksiw na apanthsw","sas grafw k grafw afta pu 8elw-KAI LEW 8ELW GIATI AN "NOMIZES",dhladh "paidia egw afta NOMIZW" 8a legame ok,to palikari afta NOMIZEI ,alla gustarei DIALOGO....k na akousei tus allous k na ton akousoun,k na plhroforhsei k na plhroforh8ei,dialogos DHLADH)

k milaw gia SYMPERIFORES loipon giati etsi eklambanontai ta grapta su

TELOS LOIPON.EKNEVRIZEIS POLY KOSMO,TO KANHS KAIRO ME SYGEKRIMENA 8EMATA(se polla alla omws exoun ba8os oi apopseis su k einai poly kairies) ALLA SE AFTA TA 2 TELOS!

"PROPONHMENOI STON GRAPTO LOGO" K "ATOMA PU 8ELOUN NA KSEXWRIZOUN SAN THN MYGA MES STO GALA" EDW MESA TELOS.
den antexei afto to forum EPIPLEON entaseis,eknevrismous,oute k antipolitefsh gia thn antipolitefsh.KANHS MAS DEN PROKEITAI NA ALLAKSH TON KOSMO,NA EPIFEREI DRAMATIKES ALLAGES STA DRWMENA TU PAOK MESA APO TO INTERNET.
DEN 8A EKTROXIASEIS OMWS K ENA! AKOMA TOPIC EDW ME TA OSA PEISMATIKA ARNHSAI NA KATALABHS K NA DEXTHS(peismata k egwismoi ALLOU,den antexoume PLEON anakribeies,kritikes ef ypshlou STO ONOMA TU LAOU TU PAOK epeidh ESENA etsi se eksyphretei(ton egwismo sou)

[chris]

KSEFYGE TO TOPIC[mpourdelo egine] K EINAI H TELEFTAIA FORA(nai eimai fasistas,nai "yponow melontikes taktikes antimetwpishs paromoiwn fainomenwn,nai kanw kataxrhsh twn "eksousiwn mu",nai den apeilw,alla nysafi pia!DHMOKRATIA DEN SHMAINH ASYDOSIA.symorfosou,sto xeri sou einai,ksefyges poly.OLOI PAOK EIMASTE ALLA OXI K ETSI.den 8elw e-mail,den 8elw I.M.,an yperisxhsei PALI o egwismos su kai epeixhrhseis "HRWIKH EKSODO aftodiagrafhs" pistepse me elaxistoi 8a stenaxwre8oun.APLA 8A EPIBEBAIWSEIS TON AKRATO EGWISMO SU,EXONTAS PRWTA "IEROSYLHSEI" PANW STHN ISTORIA TU LAOU TU PAOK tu 70-80-arxwn tu 90.AKOU RE 8A SALTAROUME TELEIWS! "3 ka8odoi paliotera"!

[pavlosk]

Chris den einai tou styl mou na kanw hrwikh kai kala eksodo kai tetoies malakies...ean goustareis na banareis kanena provlima kanto.

Oti eixe meinei ena posting tou shpongle4 pros emena anapanthto auto den shmainei tipota...oute kan to eida kai twra me vazeis na koitaksw na dw ti graftike.

Epishs den eironeuomai KANENAN kai POTE den epixeirw na THIKSW KANENA ATOMO eite mesw tou board eite mesw PRWSOPIKOU MYNHMATOS den to exw kanei pote mou kai den prokeite na to kanw!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OUTE THELW NA TO PAIKSW KSEROLAS ALLA KATATHETW APLA THN APOPSH MOY OPWS KANOUN KAI OI YPOLOIPOI EDW MESA.


Epishs chris oles oi anafores einai apokleistika gia to PODOSFAIRO (afou auto me kaiei pws na to kanoume) kai apokleistika gia ta peripou teleutaia 15 xronia, gia prin oute kan tolmaw na milaw giati oi alloi (allothriskoi kai mh) kseroune ti tha pei PAOK.

Oso gia to katestimeno twn athinwn einai yparkto alla den ftaiei apokleistika kai mono auto gia thn mizeria pou exei pia o PAOK (dioikitika, omadika, kai opadika)...kai an den einai mizeria re sy chris  na mas pairnoun me tsampouka opoion paikth theloun tote ti einai mizeria (auto den deixnei dioikhtikh anyparksia ?)? ?
Ean den einai mizeria re sy chris o PAOK na autokseftilizete mesa stin panaxaikh apo 0-3 3-3, h mesa sto aigalew h mesa ston iwniko tote ti einai mizeria ?
Sygnwmh alla auta ta mats den mas ta ekopse to athinaiko katestimeno monoi mas kopsame ton laimo mas kai to kako einai oti yparxoun kai alla tetoia paradeigmata.

Ean den einai mizeria re sy chris 1 wra 1 oloklhrh wra prin ton agwna me thn Zyrixh sthn elvetia to mono synthima pou to tragoudane oloi oi PAOKtisdes na einai to : ta vradia pou koimotane h mana tou gamiomate....kai to gamiete o thrilos kai o peiraias....tote ti einai mizeria ? ? ?

Alla re sy chris ksereis ti einai h megalyterh mizeria ? na vlepeis thn toumpa adeia na exei 6000-10000 kosmo kai to 1/3 na einai apo eparxia..

Egw sto mono pou epimenw auth ti stigmh einai o MPATMAN kai tha eimai kaxypoptos oso exei tis metoxes autos.

pavlosk

[Maestro]

Chris m'auta ta miala ama sinexisoume 4 tha teleionoume panta.
Katestimeno kseroume oti yparxei alla emeis ksereis ti kanoume?
Kathomaste kai klegomaste kai fonazoume sto idio to katestimeno na allaksei simperifora.
Ma pos einai dinaton? Fonazeis ston klefth na min klepsei?
Prepei na anasintaksoume tis dinameis mas apo monoi mas kai na to spasoume siga siga xoris na to paroune xampari.
Ola auta ta gegonota pou aneferes ta ksero opos kai alla pio palia. Kai ti egine? Kaname tipota sosto? Kai min mou pei kaneis nai giati stis sfaliares mas exoune.
Oso yia tous opadous tou gaurou, ksero paaaara pollous kai lene... nai kala fonaxte oso thelete sta arxidia mas sas grafoume kai sthn toumpa opote theloume anevenoume kai den fovomaste tipota ktl ktl.
Simfono me ton Pavlosk apolita yiati vlepo ti grafei kai na sou po oti kai ego eimai kourasmenos me tis apopseis tou styl yourousia kai opoion parei o xaros kai ainte patrida ktltkl. Etsi mas theloun oi apokato yiati mas kanoun oti theloun.
Mou thn eipane yiati milousa yia ekseuropaismo ths omadas mas. Exei dikio o Pavlosk otan milaei yia ilithia apotelesmata.
Na prostheso se auta otan xasame to protathlima apo thn Larisa eixame kanei 3 loumpes apisteutes. Me thn larisa sto alkazar isofaristikame sto92 me foul tou Mitsimpona, xasame 0-2 apo gries toumpa kai nikousame mesa sthn Veroia mexri to87' 0-2 kai elikse 2-2. Kai nomizo oti h Veroia anike pio palia ston Savidi, tote proedro mas. Opote min ta rixnoume ola allou.Akouo vrizoune ton Bajevic, tous proin pextes mas ktl ktl.
Thn douleia tous kanoune, kai den pezane kai tosa polla xronnia ston Paok yia na tous kanoume kai simees. Edo ton gx ton theopoisame, afou prota ton ksexasame yiati asxoloumastan me tous allou dio kai otan tous xasame o gx einai simea kai o gx einai palikari kai telika o gx mas egrapse. Giati eimaste alloprosalloi kai den koitaksame na ton kratisoume prota auton. Apodeixteike mounopano? NAI alla oxi yiati efige, to ksanaleo ekane thn douleia tou ston PAOK tha sinexisei na thn kanei kai allou, alla yiati eipe oti pige se omada pou kanei protathlitismo kai pezei CL. Re gkiozi mexri ton Martio sto tepaki mas to eixame to CL kai meta apo mia seira apistetuon malakion to xasame. Min ksexnas oti epezes kai esi. Anyway.
Den simenei epeidei kapoioi pektes peksane ligo stn Paok kai dethikane  (opos Frantzeskos), prepei na simvenei auto me olous. Kai o Bajevic pektes yia thn omada tou pernei. Tha htan mounopano ama htan se allh omada kai eperne pektes apo thn Aek, yiati einai Aektzhs. Kai yia na min pareksigitho, yiati einai poli eukolo, den leo oti oloi autoi pou efigan einai agioi alla min asxoliste allo mazi tous. Asxolithite otan tha erthoun ston NAO.
Kai sto finale kirioi milate oti o PAOK einai idea?
GEMISTE THN TOUMPA SE KATHE PEXNIDI KAI META MILISTE.
Me thn Aek den htan gemath, me ton gauro sto kipello oute.
Den iparxoun lefta stous filathlous?
E tote den idea einai xompi.
Kai sthnAgglia den exoun alla gemata ta gipeda. Kai den milao Premier league mono alla kai Second division. Gama etniki dikia mas.
Opote chris min fortoneis adika an kapoios prospathei na ekferi kapoia alli apopsi. Sto kato kato ean o pavlosk ekneurizei tous pantes edo mesa opos eipes ( milas yia allous kai den xreiazete ), ase autoys na to poune.

Filika
Maestros

[karlito4]

re sy pavlosk kai maestro poly fagwmara re seis.egw prwsopika symfwno apolyta kai me ton sphongle kai me ton chris.
to montelo tou ekseurwpaismenou paoktsh den to goustarw ka8olou.ena montelo pou oi pio polloi to fagane,egw pantws oxi,apo tote pou htane o servos ston pagko.
grafeis kapoia pragmata pou me vriskoune entelws anti8eto.p.x. eisai poly enantion tou aggelou.kai deyteron aradiazeis deka grammes kai gkremizeis ola auta pou antiprwsopevei h omada mas kai idiaitera o laos mas.
kratos twn a8hnwn yparxei kai 8a yparxei kai 8a to polemame panta.kai to mono pou exei na fovh8ei auto to gamhmeno to kratos einai o O LAOS TOU PAOK kai tipote allo.
kai panta grafeis kati re sy pavlosk kai o monos pou grafei synexeia symfwnw apolyta kai re sy sto myalo mou eisai einai o maestro.

kai se para8etw se ena syn8hmataki apo ton teliko me ton gay ro:

GAMIETAI O 8rh(n)os KAI H ELLADA STON KWLO SAS NA VALETAI KA THN OLYMPIADA

GIATI AYTO TO GAMHMENO TO KRATOS TWN A8HNWN MAS EFTASE EDW POU MAS EFTASE.

KI OSO RE SY MAESTRO TO TI LENE OI GAY ROI STA ARXIDIA MOU EMENA PRWSOPIKA.TA LENE METAKSY TOUS GIA NA PARAMY8IAZONTAI.GIATI MONO AYTOI KSEROUNE PWS TREMEI H KARDOULA TOUS OTAN ANEVAINOUNE STHN TOUMPA.GIA RWTA TOUS TI LEGANE STON TELIKO?POU MAS VLEPANE APENANTI TOUS NA KANOUME PARTY?EKTOS KI AN SE PEISANE OTI MAS TO DWSANE TO KYPELLO.AN HTANE STA ARXIDIA TOUS GIATI FOVOUNTAI ASE POU DEN TO LENE KA8ARA KAI VGHKE H GAY 7 KAI EIPE OTI PROTEINANE STON kokkalh NA MHN KATEVEI H OMADA STO SUPER CUP.
ETSI EIMASTE EMEIS RE FILARAKI KAI SENA SE VAZW MESA GI'AYTO EIMASTE KAI PAOK.AN TA ALLAKSOUME KI AYTA TOTE EINAI POU XA8HKE TO PAIXNIDI.
DEN EIMASTE OUTE vazeloi OUTE gay roi OUTE xanoumia OUTE evraioi OUTE gries.
KSEKOLATE RE O LAOS TOU PAOK EIMASTE.ENAS LAOS PONEMENOS POU DEN KSEXNAEI TIS RIZES TOU KAI TA PISTEVW TOU.POU DEN KSEXNAEI TIS POUSTIES KAI TIS ADIKIES.POU PALEVEI MONOS TOU OLA AYTA TA XRONIA.
POU PAIZEI ME XWRIA STHN EYRWPH KAI SKANE 6000 GIA PLAKA.MILAW MONO GIA GRASSHOPPERS OTAN APO THN ALLH SKANE OI ellhnes eyrwpEoi opadoi 400 kai 500 atoma.

POUTANA A8HNA TON PAOK MAS PROSKYNA
ESEIS ME KSYLA KAI POUSTIES EMEIS ME PETRES KAI MPOUNIES

[shpongle4]

m'auta ta miala ama sinexisoume 4 tha teleionoume panta.
kalytera 4os kai perhfanos paoktzhs para 1os kai rufianos gavrovazeloputanitsas!!!

Katestimeno kseroume oti yparxei alla emeis ksereis ti kanoume?
akolu8ame thn agaph mas PANTU KAI PANTA eite vrexei eite xionizei eite exei 40 va8mus kelsiu...

Kai ti egine? Kaname tipota sosto? Kai min mou pei kaneis nai giati stis sfaliares mas exoune.
mas exun stis sfaliares????muxaXaAXaxXXxaxAXAaXXaxaXaxAXaXAXa...trelenomai.. .pes kai alla pes kai alla!!!gustarw!!!

Oso yia tous opadous tou gaurou, ksero paaaara pollous kai lene... nai kala fonaxte oso thelete sta arxidia mas sas grafoume kai sthn toumpa opote theloume anevenoume kai den fovomaste tipota ktl ktl
mallon aytes oi 'kakes' perees 8a ftaine!!! opote 8ellun anevainun???muXaxXAxAXaxAXaxAax.....KAI DEN FOVUNTE TIPOTA????muxaxaAXAxaXaxAAxaXAX....
r cs as ton pei kapoios pu etyxe fetos na einai sto derby me to gavro ti egine....gia poion lao mas MILAS REEEE!!!gia ayton pu apla mphke sto ghpedo kai fwnaxe kunwntas 3 pano MONO otan valan to 'penalty' kai kata th deiarkeia ths diakophs tu paixnidiu??? ekei pu oloi SWPASAME kai nomizame (me to tropo pu epese o 'h8opoios-linesman' oti paei skotw8hke!!! gia poion gamhmeno lao r satyre me tsampunas kai me les oti kanun oti 8elun??? E?? gia ayton pu yphrxan 70 kluves MONO gyrw apo th 8yra 8-7??? gia aytus tus 'hrwes' pu gia xarh tus EKLEISE H ASTYNOMIA TA TRIA TETARTA THS 8ESSALONIKHS??? ayta ta 'alania' pu prokalusan oti 8a anevun me trena kai xerw gw kai otan ftasan sta malgara kryvan ta kaskolakia tus sth 8ea kapoiu paoktzhdiku kaskol/shmaias se pulamn h aytokinhto....
GIA AYTO TO LAO PU ANEVHKE STH 8ESSALONIKH ME EXODA EKDROMHS 5 EURO? e??? h mhpws ayta ta filarakia su ta kanun gargares??? h mhpws kan den ta xerun giati pote tus ute aytoi exun pathsei sth tumpa!!!
r c me lalas gia ta prwtopalikara tu pustogavru kai den me les gia olus osus aspromavrus vre8hkan ekeino to apogevma ston agwna PU ANAGGAZONTAN NA PERPATHSUN XILIOMETRA OLOKLHRA GIA NA FTASUN STIS KERKIDES pu mas analogusan mias kai eixan kleisei akoma kai ta mpalkonia twn polykatoikiwn apo thn evridiadu mexri kai ayta sthn amfipolews....
kai den milaw gia olus emas tus ektos 8essalonikhs pu me ta pulman mas stamatusan se ka8e gefyra apo th katerinh mexri kai to periferiako pu striveis gia to nao gia iera exetash pros anevresh 'egglhmatikwn' kai akrws 'epikyndhnwn' RIZZLA, PANO S.F., AYTOKOLLHTA S.F.!!!!
milas gia aytus tus KWLOMAGGES sto topic tu pio istoriku lau ths ellados kai mporei kai ths evrwphs, pu to kratos gia na tus prostatepsei eixe se ka8e mia apo tis parapanw aytes gefyres kai apasxoluse apo 2 peripolika me 3 astynomus to ka8ena...

etsi alani mu egw paw opote 8ellw sthn a8hna kai thn kaiw ki'olas....ALLA FYSIKA DEN ASOLUMASTE PLEON ME TO TI TRAVAME EMEIS STHN A8HNA....einai PALIO ayto kai den yparxei logos na to skalizume....GINOMASTE GRAFIKOI....!!!vre ai na mhn pw, mas pulate kai trelitsa, aku ekei mas exun sth sfaliara!!!

eimai kourasmenos me tis apopseis tou styl yourousia kai opoion parei o xaros kai ainte patrida ktltkl. Etsi mas theloun oi apokato yiati mas kanoun oti theloun.
otan 8a katalaveis tis ennoies GIURUSI kai PATRIDA kai 8a ma8eis na tis xrhsimopoieis swsta isws ola tote na einai kalytera...kapote me giurusi apeley8erw8hke h patrida mas....twra mas fainetai exeytelistiko e??? twra pu exume to tutu mas, to home theater kai to pc me th flat thn o8onitsa pu kairos gia kana ntu kai kana giurusi e???


Den simenei epeidei kapoioi pektes peksane ligo stn Paok kai dethikane  (opos Frantzeskos), prepei na simvenei auto me olous.
dekaetia 70 oloi osoi fteiaxan to kolosso tu paok kai twra eimaste perhfanoi na fwnaxume PAOK, HTAN OLOI PAOKTZHDES, oxi san ton frantzesko alla 1000 fores pio pa8iasmenoi....GENITSARUS EMEIS DEN 8ELUME STHN OMADA MAS...OPWS KAPOTE DEN 8ELAN KAI APAGOREVAN THN EISODO SE GENITSARUS PU EPANAPATRIZONTAN METANIWMENOI SE POLLA XWRIA THS MAKEDONIAS

Kai o Bajevic pektes yia thn omada tou pernei. Tha htan mounopano ama htan se allh omada kai eperne pektes apo thn Aek, yiati einai Aektzhs.
mhpws 8ymasai to skhniko tu vatraxu otan efyge gia gavro apo aek....apo thn polyagaphmenh tu aek peire 3 paixtures....xwria ta lefta pu tsepwse....OPOTE KARAMUNOPANAS, kanei den kanei th duleia tu

Kai yia na min pareksigitho, yiati einai poli eukolo, den leo oti oloi autoi pou efigan einai agioi alla min asxoliste allo mazi tous. Asxolithite otan tha erthoun ston NAO.
kala gia ayto na eisai siguros...ekei na deis giurusi kai ntu!!!

Kai sthnAgglia den exoun alla gemata ta gipeda. Kai den milao Premier league mono alla kai Second division. Gama etniki dikia mas.
ela edw kai sta dika mu twra...na xereis oti oi agnoi opadoi twn omadwn ths agglias einai epi to pleiston anergoi h xamhlomis8oi...ARA kai ektos ghpedu....twra to pws gemizei to ghpedo einai allh istoria (p.x. o typas pu pernei axiosevasto mis8o 8a parei mazi tu kai ta ypoloipa 3-4 melh ths oikogeneias tu...)...kai otan milame gia ektos ghpedu milame GIA THN APENANTI APO TO GHPEDO MPYRARIA H OPOIA KLEIDWNETAI (me ta typakia ayta mesa) KAI SFRAGIZETAI APO THN ASTYNOMIA 2 WRES PRIN THN ENARXH TU AGWNA KAI 3 WRES META TH LHXH TU!!!kaneis den mpainei kaneis den vgainei....etsi tulaxiston exw dei egw sto maine road (1923-2003) kai sto goodison park...ase loipon ta ths agglias kai thn olh katastash meta thn Thatcher epoxh...tote dld pu o vandalismos sta ghpeda den EXALIFTHKE, apla metafer8hke sta paraskevosavvatiatika bar/club/mpyraries kai sthn anypswsh tu posostu ston alkoolismo apo tis ilikies 14 etwn...stis ilikies xerola mu tis opoies edw oloi dulevun ALLA DEN EXUN GKAFRA NA AGORASUN 30 LIRES EISHTHRIO gia na dun thn agaphmenh tus omada...GIA ATOMA TA OPOIA TA KALA TUS RUXA EINAI H FANELA THS OMADAS TUS PRO DEKAETIAS kai oxi h fanela ths kainurias season pu pwleitai 50 lires 3 mhnes prin kan fore8ei apo thn idia thn omada...etsi opws epitasei o kainurios kwdikas TU EXEVRWPAISMENU PODOSFAIRU...

ALLA epeidh gnwrizw tis apopseis su gia exevrwpaistikes kai xerw gw katastaseis den synexisw....gia sena metran mono oi ari8moi twn eishthriwn, oi katataxeis kai ta tropaia twn omadwn kai ta posa sta symvolaia...



MAKARI OSOI EXUN DIAFORETIKES APOPSEIS NA TIS EKFERUN...me kalypse o pavlos me ena im to opoio an kai eprepe na to eixe steilei kana 3mhno prin, me kalypse gia ola osa EXTREME EXW AKUSEI APO TO STOMA TU (keyboard tu!!!)...oxi oti symfwnw me osa leei, apla twra pia einai emperistatwmenes apospeis kai oxi FWTOVOLIDES me proswpiko ofelos...

kaneis den prospa8ei na epivalei ston allo to ti 8a pei, to ti 8a skeftei....ayta einai katastaseis pu tis zun alloi (kane kammia volta sta site gavrwn kai rulhdwn na deis pws svhnonte topics,posts....ekei pu "aytoi pu erxonte gia plaka sth tumpa opote 8ellun" pernun grammh apo dioikhseis, symvulia syndesmwn-fataulhdwn opws allwste epitasei o neos kanonas tu EXEVRWPAISMENU PODOSFAIRU...



TO PODOSFAIRO DEN EINAI KAI UTE PROKEITAI NA GINEI GIA THN IKANOPOIHSH TWN OLIGWN 'PEINASMENWN' LEFTADWN UTE KALA8OSFAIRA UTE RUGBY, PROION PROS KATANALWSH PIZZAS KAI McDONALDS...



PAOK PANTU 8ANATOS KAI NTU

[Maestro]

Sponlge
THELO TON PAOK 1o KAI OXI 4o.
Auta peri 4os kai perifanos para 1os kai roufiano einai asinartisies kai malakies.
Ama paroume protathlima den nomizo oti kaneis apo emas  tha katsei na dei ama to pirame dikea h oxi. Apla tha kseskistoume na panigirizoume kai sta arxidia mas olla ta alla. Peri adikion mporei na milane oi alloi. Autes einai kouventes 2on, 3on, ktlktl.
Olo anafereis filathlous allon omadon les kai ego tous eksimnisa h tous sigkrina me emas. Gia tous gay ennoousa, vevvea kai tous exoume yia ton poutso alla min nomizeis oti asxolountai me emas ollh thn ora. Auto leo kai ego.Prepei na papsoume na asxoloumaste me kathe malaka allhs omadas kai na endidoume stis stimenes prokliseis tous.
Gia to yourousi o sisxetismos sou asxetos kai akeros. Tora ti exei o kathenas diko tou provlima kai gia tutu kai pc ase autes tis kouventes na tis lene alloi pou sterithikan steixeiodi pragmata sthn zoi tous.
Den megaloses kai sthn katoxh....
Oso yia Agglia ezisa apo to 89-97 kai ksero ti simvenei. Pes mas tora oti ta gipeda gemizoun apo oikogeneies. Na gelaso h na klapso m'auta pou les. Kai sto finale re pagosmie, se peirazei h katastash sta gipeda tous. GEMATA, TROMERES EGATASTASEIS, PEXTARADES, EUROPAIKOI TITLOI.
Yiati ama se peirazei tote kanoun perfect sence auta pou mas les"Varate me kai as kleo"
Eisai afelis ean nomizeis oti oloi oi pektes pou perasan kai pou tha perasoun apo ton Paok niothoun ÐÁÏÊôóÜêéá san kai esena. Se allo post hmouna pio analitikos me onomata pexton pou efigan pou pisteua oti pragmatika htan ÐÁÏÊôóÜêéá.
Kai oso gia thn dekaetia tou 70 simfono alla ipirxan kai kati perierga opos to 0-5 sthbn Toumba me Panaxaiki teleutea agonistiki kai pire to protathlima o gay....EAN THIMASE!!!. Kai oi megaliteroi Paoktzhdes kanane gelles. Min ksexnas o Koudas ypegrapse ston gay alla eutixos pire xampari thn malakia pou ekane kai emeine. Tote o LAOS epekse kathoristiko rolo.
Nai kai vevea metran oi titloi yia mena... den xarikes to kipello me ton rouli mipos.
Kai vevea metrane ta eisithria yia mena yiati FYI o NAOS xorouse officially 42050 kai femize toulaxiston 45000 se europaika kai ellinika derby. Tora 32000 kathismatakia me to zori na ftasoume ta 22000 eisitiria.
Fenete oti ksereis kai exeis zeish polla apo ton PAOK ton teleuteon xronon alla mono exeis akousei yia pio pallia.
Exo mia mikrh empeiria apo pio pallia kai sigrino kai prospatho na kano point out ta kalla kai ton dio epoxon oste na sinexisoume me auta kai oxi sernontas mazi mas kathe malakia pou kaname ana kairous. Oso auta peri leftadon einai akomi mia grafiki, pseutoteenagerebellion apopsi. Oute kai ego lefta den exo alladen krazo autous pou ta xoun yiati mporei na doulepsan kai na ta vgalan. Kai min ksexnas oti tora kapoioi leftades hrthan kai sosane thn omada mas apo D ethniki.
Loipon kai auth thn antidrash sxetika me ton "exeuropaismo"
den thn katalaveno. Diladh autes oi omades einai malakes kai emeis oi eimaste oi eksipnoi.
H sou aresei na pigeneis Toumpa kai na exei misa fota h na akous oti h filoksenoumenh omada ekane ntous sta apoditiria tou Paok gia na prolavoun to aeroplano giati sta dika tous den ipirxe nero. Sou thimizei ligo UGANDA?
Kai otan tha milame yia ton LAO den milame mono yia thn 4.
Milame yia kathe ÐÁÏÊôóáêé around the globe. Kai ego pigena 4 (ampelokipous) alla to gipedo gemize kai me allous filathlous tou PAOK ligotero fanatikous. Tora autoi den pane yiati iparxei fovos epeisodeion. Pes mas oti kai auto einai oraio kai hroiko kai alles paparies. Autes oi malakies mas xantakosane. Sthn  Europi yiati stekomaste souza magka mou? Yiati 5 xronakia sthn apekso tsouksane. Auto pou prospatho na po toso kairo einai poli aplo.
Parte ena g.....eno diarkeias kai as min eiste sthn Ellada kai xariste to.
To gipedo prepei na gemizei yia na einai kolash h atmosfera alla xoris ta epeisodia pou ginontai sinexeia apo tous sinithis ypoptous. Na deite pos ola ta alla tha ftiaxoun siga siga.
Kai kati allo...mesa se olla auta as min ksexname to Basket...




ps: r c chris o tsigof sthn Larissa den epeze?

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Sponlge
THELO TON PAOK 1o KAI OXI 4o.
Auta peri 4os kai perifanos para 1os kai roufiano einai asinartisies kai malakies.
Ama paroume protathlima den nomizo oti kaneis apo emas  tha katsei na dei ama to pirame dikea h oxi. Apla tha kseskistoume na panigirizoume kai sta arxidia mas olla ta alla. Peri adikion mporei na milane oi alloi. Autes einai kouventes 2on, 3on, ktlktl.

File Maestro, mallon eisai to 0,5% poy exoyn tetoia apopsh. Den ensternizesai kati to opoio einai basiko, oysiodes 8emeliodes kai rizomeno mesa se ka8e Paoktsh. Den nomizo oti diafono MONO ego mazi soy alla kai oloi oi opadoi toy PAOK, eite einai sto forum ayto eite oxi. To syn8hma "kalytera mia koypa me thn lebentia para saranta koypes me poystia" einai to alfa kai to omega ths ideologias mas.Ayto mas diaforopoiei apo oles tis alles omades, 8a mporoysa na fero arketa paradeigmata oti ayto exei isxysei sthn istoria toy PAOK, alla nomizo oti den xreiazetai na epixeirhmatologhso gia to aytonohto. An esy to ambisbhteis ayto tote apla ...lypamai...
 

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 * Gia to mats me thn panaxaikh sthn Toumpa to 1973....kanenas pote den eipe oti htan sthmeno.H panaxaikh tote eixe megalh omada oso vlakeia kai an akougetai ayto(an thymamai kala osa exw diavasei eixe termatisei trith sto prwtathlima).To mats eixe lhksei 3-5 kai oxi 0-5 kai htan 2 agwnistikes prin to telos.Kaneis den kathgorhse(gia sthmenous toulaxiston) tous paixtes.H enstash twn Paoktzhdwn tote htan oti h gayroomada ths patras phre xrhmata apo to megalo ths afentiko(apodedeigmena) gia na rthei kai na paiksei skyliasmena sthn Toumpa.Kai xasame ena prwtathlima....
 * Gia ta alla poy les gia egkatastaseis,eishthria,diarkeias,nootropia,epeisodia panw katw oloi symfwnoun mazi sou.(an kai ayto poy leei o shpongle gia to oti oi aggloi den ksefortwthikan to xouliganismo alla apla tou kleisan thn porta isxuei)
 * ....oso gia to an tha thelame na paroume ena sthmeno prwtathlima kai an tha to panygyrizame apo to na eimaste panta 4oi? Katarxhn mpravo gia ta kotsia sou na to paradexteis enw ksereis oti den tha ginei pote.Giati yparxoyun paara poloi pou to paizoun ideologoi kai len alla twra, alla an espage o diaolos kai to allo to podari kai synebaine ayto pote ,tha katebainan stous dromous gia panygyria kai me fthnes dikaiologies sto stoma("kai oi alloi etsi den ta pairnan?").Opws allaksan tis apopseis tous oi gayroi meta thn epoxh vardinogiannh ,opws allaksan apopseis oi vazeloi meta thn epoxh goulandri/ntaifa kai tha to kanoun kai meta thn epoxh kokkali,opws ta idia elegan kai oi aektzhdes epi epoxhs melissanidi/gidopoulou.
  Ekei pou diafwnw mazi sou einai oti den tha prepe na mpeis kan s ayth th logikh.Afou mas eferes to paradeigma ths agglis s ola ta alla kai twn loipwn proodeymenwn podosfairika xwrwn tha prepe na peis kai s ayto to thema oti makari na paizontai ta protathlimata sta isia opws ekei kai oxi makari o P.A.O.K. na parei ena prwtathlima estw kai vrwmika.Ara kai esy mesa sto voyrko ths sapias ellinikhs nootropias kolumpas.Tsp....an exeis tetoia oneira gia thn omada sou mallon mikros dialekses na yposthrikseis thn lathos omada.Proswpika pantws xairomai apolyta poy kaneis den mporei na katamartyrisei tipota ston P.A.O.K. (ektos apo kati kompleksika skoulikakia) gia tis oses epityxies mas kai xairomai pou o diaolos mporei na einai koutsos alla se anaphriko karotsaki to den tha ton doume pote.............

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THELO TON PAOK 1o KAI OXI 4o.
Auta peri 4os kai perifanos para 1os kai roufiano einai asinartisies kai malakies.
o PAOK prepei na einai mono prwtos....ekei einai h 8esh tu...ALLA PRWTOS 8A EINAI OTAN PREPEI NA EINAI PRWTOS...OXI OTAN TO 8ELHSUN POLITIKOI, EPIXEIRHMATIES KAI ALLA LAMOGIA...

oso gia to asynarthsies kai malakies OI 8EMELIWDEIS AXIES TU KA8E ÐÁÏÊôóÞ ti na pw....aporw me th parth su palikari mu...

Ama paroume protathlima den nomizo oti kaneis apo emas  tha katsei na dei ama to pirame dikea h oxi. Apla tha kseskistoume na panigirizoume kai sta arxidia mas olla ta alla. Peri adikion mporei na milane oi alloi. Autes einai kouventes 2on, 3on, ktlktl.
ekei, se kati tetoius typus sthrix8hke h olh politikh tu batman...as tus parw kati kai aytoi 8a panyghrizun XWRIS NA PSAXNUN TI TREXEI APO EKEI KAI PERA....ti kolpa paizonte katw apo trapezia...
kai POIOI ALLOI NA MILHSUN GIA ADIKIES REEEEE?
EEEEEEE?? pali trelitsa me pulas twra??? exume niwsei th gamwadikia sto petsi mas dekades fores mesa se mia agwnistikh periodo...twra thn niw8ume kai ektos agwnistikwn periodwn me ta tertipia twn politikwn!!!!
STA ARXIDIA MAS E??
KUVENTES TWN 2wn, 3wn AYTA PU XRONIA LEME KAI MAS TSUZUN??? KUVENTES TA OSA SFAXIMATA MESA KAI EXW APO TUMPA??? E??kai pali aporw filaraki


Gia to yourousi o sisxetismos sou asxetos kai akeros.
o sysxetismos exei na kanei sxesh me to oti OTAN SE PATANE KAI 8ELLUN NA SE EXAFALISUN, ESY ANTIDRAS KAI DEN KOIMASE, ypne...opws tote etsi kai twra...asxetos sysxetismos h apeley8erwsh ths paokaras mas me ayth ths ellados apo ta turkalia???akeros o sysxetismos ths epanastashs tu paok thn stigmh PU PE8AINEI kai XEGYMNWNETAI?
su xerizwnun TO KORMO THS OMADAS SU kai oloi xynonte kai asxolunte me to pws ekfrasthke o aggrelos gia ton alexandridh...kai otan tu xronu ginetai oti ginetai sto stivo ths tumpas 8A FTAIEI PALI O LAOS TU PAOK kai OI S.F. tu? E?

Tora ti exei o kathenas diko tou provlima kai gia tutu kai pc ase autes tis kouventes na tis lene alloi pou sterithikan steixeiodi pragmata sthn zoi tous.
Den megaloses kai sthn katoxh....
epeidh paei na ginei poly proswpiko to olo 8ema, steile me an gustareis ena proswpiko mynhma an 8es na ma8eis pu gennh8hka, pws megalwsa kai pws zw twra...giati katoxh einai ta panta na EINAI YPO TON ELEGXO TWN AMERIKANWN....giati katoxh einai o fakelos tu ka8enos na vrisketai se kapoio syrtari kapoiu agnwstu, o opoios exei thn dynatothta na ton 'xrhsimopoihsei' opws aytos 8ellei kai me proswpiko symferon....giati katoxh einai olh h ELLADA na vrisketai ypo thn kyriothta kai na kanei ta xugia kai ta gusta enos an8rwpu o opoios exei sth plath tu kathgories gia kakurghmata kai gia prodosia tu kratus!!!!
giati, TELOS TELOS, katoxh einai NA EXUN XENA SWMATA THN KYRIOTHTA KAI THN IDIOKTHSIA THS OMADAS MAS
isws ola ayta (o polemos dhladh kai h  katoxh 'prswpikwn-pnevmatikwn' dedomenwn) na mhn exun thn idia varythta gia sena, ALLA EMENA AYTH TH STIGMH TO IDIO ME PONANE kai den me afhnun na xarw...ektos kai an pali asxeta kai akera ola...e?

Oso yia Agglia ezisa apo to 89-97 kai ksero ti simvenei. Pes mas tora oti ta gipeda gemizoun apo oikogeneies. Na gelaso h na klapso m'auta pou les.
vasika klapse giati 8 xronia (me ayto pu me les) PERASES KAI DEN AGGIXES!!!kai eidika gia ayta ta xronia, sta opoia to 'sprwximo' ths (OIKONOMIKA ANETHS xanatonizw)oikogeneias pros to ghpedo eftase sto apokoryfwma tu...tote pu oles oi vasilikes synh8eies (galazoaimates parastaseis sta 8eatra kai kynhgia alepudwn me 400 skylia) kai ta vasilika paixnidia (snooker, bingo, cricket, golf) PARHKMASAN mias kai to kratos anoixe diodus se a8lhmata pio 'laika' opws to podosfairo...tote pu oi prosfores se eishtrhia gia FAMILIES htan se exeftelistikes times (gia oikonomika evarestes oikogeneis lew kai pali)....TOTE pu to kratos edwse protaireothta sto na mazepsei to kosmo pali pisw (meta ta aisxh tu 80) kai dhmiurgh8hse TH PREMIER LEAGUE (PREMIER: first in importance)!!!

Kai sto finale re pagosmie, se peirazei h katastash sta gipeda tous. GEMATA, TROMERES EGATASTASEIS, PEXTARADES, EUROPAIKOI TITLOI.
fysika kai den me peirazei...alla stenomyale evrwpaisth, me peirazei (opws kai tus IDIUS PEIRAZEI, na eisai siguros gia ayto)
- TO OTI 110 LEPTA PREPEI (opws kai gia ayto to PREPEI na eisai siguros, mias kai den exun allh epilogh) NA KA8ONTE STA KAREKLAKIA, na mhn panyghrizun me syn8hmata omorfa, na mhn xorevun kai genika na katapiezonte na dun enan agnwa opws 8ellun akpoio alloi exontas plhrwsei to eishthrio me to mis8o miamishs hmeras...
- NA EXANTLUNTE TA EISHTHRIA SE ATOMA PU APLA EXUN TA GKAFRA KAI TIPOTA PARAPANW AFHNWNTAS AP'EXW AN8RWPUS PU KA8E ANAPNOH TUS EINAI SYSXETISMENH ME TO ONOMA KAI THN ISTORIA THS OMADAS TUS,...
- NA EXUN KURASTEI PLEON NA VRUNE ENAN HGETH PAIXTARA PU NA KANUN EIDWLO (oloi oi laoi exun aytoi thn anaggh kai einai anapofekto) MIAS KAI TA PAXYLA SYMVOLAIA, TA MARKETING (me ili8ies dhlwseis-diafhmiseis sth nea omada kapoias metagrafhs na gremizei oti exei xtistei mesa sth kardia ka8e agnu fila8lu)
- EVRWPAIKUS TITLUS??? PWS??? TI??? AXaXAxaXAxaXAxa....TO SYSTHMA PU LEITURGEI 7 XRONIA TWRA KAI PU FAINETAI NA YPOSTHRIZEIS, KATAFEREI NA METATREPSEI TO CHAMPIONS LEAGUE, TH MEGALYTERH DIASYLLOGIKH EKDHLWSH, SE ENA 'AGWNA' XRHMATWN...ta teleytaia 6 xronia to pairnei ANA MIA XRONIA h omada NTROPH GIA TA IDEWDH TU PODOSFAIRU...ayth h opoia kai  GEMATO GHPEDO EXEI, TROMERES EGATASTASEIS, PEXTARADES, EUROPAIKOI TITLOI ALLA PU NTREPONTE OI IDIOI OPADOI THS NA DHLWSUN OTI EINAI REAL...mias kai AYTO PU EXUN MONO REAL den einai...
tespa....ti se lew twra...

Yiati ama se peirazei tote kanoun perfect sence auta pou mas les"Varate me kai as kleo"
se ayto gia xwse mia kalyterh xhga!!!
den paei to myalo mu se ayto pu 8es na peis kai xefevgei se alla!!!

Eisai afelis ean nomizeis oti oloi oi pektes pou perasan kai pou tha perasoun apo ton Paok niothoun ÐÁÏÊôóÜêéá san kai esena.
symfwnw me ayto pu les...KAI FYSIKA DEN 8ELLW OI PAIXTES NA EINAI KAI NA NIW8UN ÐÁÏÊôóÜêéá OPWS NIW8W KAI EGW!!!!
APAITW NA EINAI KAI NA NIW8UN PERISSOTERO PAOK APO MENA KAI APO TO KA8ENA MAS, MIAS KAI AYTOI PLHRWNONTE, ENW EMEIS PLHRWNUME...
kai epitelus kollaxe me to xrhma...plhrwnonte oxi mono me ftale alla kai me doxa kai me times kai me ysterofhmia....akoma oloi 8ymunte onomata podosfairistwn apo to 70 pu apla kai mono paixan se kapoia omada kai tpt allo!!!


Nai kai vevea metran oi titloi yia mena... den xarikes to kipello me ton rouli mipos.
petagesai apo prwta8lhmata pu den se noiazei pws 8a ta pareis se kypella pu ta exei shkwsei monos tu o laos tu paok, KAI DEN LEEI!!! e?? leei???

Kai vevea metrane ta eisithria yia mena yiati FYI o NAOS xorouse officially 42050 kai femize toulaxiston 45000 se europaika kai ellinika derby. Tora 32000 kathismatakia me to zori na ftasoume ta 22000 eisitiria.
petagesai apo ghpedikes eggatastaseis me kosmo kalo kai kustumarismeno mesa, sthn megalyterh apotyxia tu SYXRONU PODOSFAIRU....THN APOMAKRYNSH TU FILA8LU APO THN EPAFH TU ME TO TSIMENTO KAI THN EXIKOIWSH TU ME TO AFROLEX, ME TO KAREKLAKI KAI STO FINALE ME TH POLY8RONA KAI TO KANAPE....
ute ayto leei...e?? e, leei??

Oso auta peri leftadon einai akomi mia grafiki, pseutoteenagerebellion apopsi. Oute kai ego lefta den exo alladen krazo autous pou ta xoun yiati mporei na doulepsan kai na ta vgalan.
prwta apo ola eyxaristw gia to koplimento peri ths ilikias mu (teenager!!!)
deyteron milame gia podosfairikes arxes kai oikonmika mega8hria sthn evrwph....kai esy me les oti 'mporei kai na dulepsan kai na ta evgalan"???axAxaXAxa....wraios....nai dulepsan....esena kai emena....

Kai min ksexnas oti tora kapoioi leftades hrthan kai sosane thn omada mas apo D ethniki.
prwta apo ola LEFTADES 8A PAIRNAN THN OMADA MIAS KAI OPWS TA EXEI KANEI TO SYSTHMA PU YPOSTHRIZEIS den yparxei xwros gia (ean ton 8ymasai!!) PANTELAKHDES (an8rwpus pu dulevan me xamhla budget) PLEON STO PODOSFAIRO....
kai deyteron TI IR8AN KAI KANAN? SWSANE TO PAOK!!!!
VREEEEEEEEEE UUUUUUUUUUUSTTTTTT, pu egine kai h tsampa diafhmhsh kai to tsampe investment (ena pragma to opoio axizei na to agoraseis GIATI exei tis dynatothtes na einai EPIKERDES kai xrhsimo gia ka8e xrhsh sto mellon!!!) eginan kai lytrwtes....r aiii na pume twra mh me treleneis allo!!!! exun akoma polla na apodeixun gia na ginun swthres mesa mas....ase ta exwfylla ths ka8e kwlofylladas gia allus "teenagers"

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H sou aresei na pigeneis Toumpa kai na exei misa fota h na akous oti h filoksenoumenh omada ekane ntous sta apoditiria tou Paok gia na prolavoun to aeroplano giati sta dika tous den ipirxe nero.
gia ola ayta pu grafeis FTAIEI h dioikhsh (prwhn, nyn xerw kai egw ute aytoi den xerun ti einai o batman pleon)....opote einai asxeta na ta grafeis kai emmesws na kathgoreis to lao tu paok kai na ton les oti gustarei kai olas na ta vlepei etsi!!!!
oxi adelfe, DEN GUSTARW...oi epoxes pu gustara na vlepw skhnika katalhpsewn me pontikia gyrw mu EXUN dystyxws h eytyxws pro pollu perasei....aku ekei pontikia sto NAO!!! aisxos, ahdia....alla ayto ti sxesh exei me ton EXEVRWPAISMO SU?

Kai otan tha milame yia ton LAO den milame mono yia thn 4.
Milame yia kathe ÐÁÏÊôóáêé around the globe. Kai ego pigena 4 (ampelokipous) alla to gipedo gemize kai me allous filathlous tou PAOK ligotero fanatikous. Tora autoi den pane yiati iparxei fovos epeisodeion. Pes mas oti kai auto einai oraio kai hroiko kai alles paparies. Autes oi malakies mas xantakosane. Sthn  Europi yiati stekomaste souza magka mou? Yiati 5 xronakia sthn apekso tsouksane. Auto pou prospatho na po toso kairo einai poli aplo.
otan anarwth8eis gaiti ginonte ta epeisodia....otan dld 8a valeis to myaludaki su na dulepsei swsta 8A KRINEIS KALYTERA ta hrwika kai tis paparies pu lew....
an kai thn apanthsh thn dineis monos su me tus evrwpaikus mas agwnes alla mallon den ftanei to myallo su na dwsei oloklhrwmenh apanthsh...
8A KANEIS EPEISODIA KAI GIURUSIA KAI NTU OTAN DEIS OTI SE SFAZUN me to yalovamvaka....sth tessara ths pragas ti na katseis na kaneis epeisodia...an kai polloi apo tus paixtes htan gia sutia....
kai mias kai milhses kai gia lao sth praga adelfe ir8an oi paixtes ths allhs omadas kai mas xeirokrothsan kai tus xeirokrothsame gia polla lepta tu xronu...exume apodeixei polles fores to poso LAOS eimaste (real basket pro 8etias)...esy katse kai meine sthn ili8ia pleon dikaiologia twn MME peri fovu orismenwn gia (dikaiologhmena) epeisodia!!!
doxa to 8eo yparxun 8eatra kai megara musikhs pu mporun na su exasfalisun ths akindynh psyxagwgias su, an telika fovunte toso poly!!!




Parte ena g.....eno diarkeias kai as min eiste sthn Ellada kai xariste to.
To gipedo prepei na gemizei yia na einai kolash h atmosfera alla xoris ta epeisodia pou ginontai sinexeia apo tous sinithis ypoptous. Na deite pos ola ta alla tha ftiaxoun siga siga.
Kai kati allo...mesa se olla auta as min ksexname to Basket...
KAI EPITELUS KAPOIES SWSTES KUVENTES PU AKUW APO SENA....synexizw na aporw dervisi mu me sena...