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[IronEagle]

Me basi mia antipara8esi pou eixame tis pro'i'goumenes meres sto forum , skeftika na anoikso ayto edo to topic, katarxas gia na metafer8oun prota oi sostes apopseis sto sosto topic kai deyteron, na mporoume edo na anaptiksoume o ka8enas tis skepseis mas, peri aytou tou 8ematos!
To olo skiniko ksekinise apo mia "enoxlisei" diki mou, pou antikrisa se selida s.f.pao salonikis, na exoun os emblima ton Leyko Pirgo kai to Asteri ris Berginas!

Ti eironeia einai ayti reeeee........

LEYKOS PYRGOS,  ASTERI THS BERGINAS, SYMBOLA THS MAKEDONIAS kai katepektasi tou megaliteou ellinofonou kratous pou perase stin istoria......

kai apo kato i sixameni ayti leksi  pan A8HNA 'i'kos                          

Dextika mia epi8esi apo diafora meli tou foroum dikaiologontas tous bazelous, legontas oti etsi einai kai ayto einai to sosto..., kai apantisa xoris na doso emfasi sto olo 8ema 8eorisa oti ekei kapou klinei!!

Δεν κατάλαβα ρε φιλαράκι τι θέλεις να πεις ; Δηλαδή οι βάζελοι που καλώς η κακώς μένουν στη Μακεδονία δεν είναι Μακεδόνες ; δεν είναι Έλληνες ; κάθε σύνδεσμος σε ξένη πόλη χρησιμοποιεί σύμβολα του τόπου του

Eeeeee tote re file na baloun kai ton DIKEFALO AETO TOU PAOK os SYMBOLO THS 8ESSALONIKHS sto logo tous!!!
O leykos pyrgos, mesa ston pyrgo to asteri tis berginas kai apo pano ton dikefalo aeto na koitaei epiblitika!!!
....Kai apo kato tis leksis : "pana8ina'i'kos gate 13 salonika"
Diladi emeis pou eimastan stin germania kai eixame san symbola ston s.f. PAOK ekei, to Asteri tis Berginas, ton Mega-Aleksandro kai ton xarti tis Makedonias, 8a eprepe na eixame san symbola sto logo mas ton xarti tis germanis , ton basilia tis frankonias kai to galazoleyko karo tis bayarias....? ?

(Anti na einai yperifanoi me tin Makedonia, kai na einai ayto pou ekprosopi tin makedonia, ... tes pa , ti tzampa asxoloume...!!!!)

Meta peire mia tropi to olo 8ema kai pragmatika anarotieme gia pio logo yparxoun kapia symbola kai an merikoi kseroun to ti symbolizei ta ka8e ena!!!
Ta "simata" ton omadon einai apo mona tou SYMBOLA kai symbolizoun kati, (opos kai ta kommatika symbola, opos episis kai ta 8riskeytika symbola!!!), kai sini8os ektos apo tin a8litiki tous yparksei, ginonte PRESBES olokliris tis perioxis apo opou katagonte, (panta kata tin tapini mou apopsi)!!

Ekatsa kai egrapsa ena olokliro katebato gia diafores omades kai ti SYMBOLIZEI i ka8emia

to sima tis omadas, ka8e omadas, antiprosopeyei apo mono tou tin perioxi apo opou katagete (kai exei tin dikia tou istoria os simbolo, kai ayto pou antiprosopeyei....!

(esoteriko)
1.gayros, dafnostefanomenos neos , o opoios simbolizei tin agnotita, ton a8litismo to ey agonizes8e,
  somateio gay-ros, idri8ike apo naytergates oi opoioi ergazotan kata pliopsifia sto limani pou einai symbolo tou PIRAIA!!
   SYMBOLO TOU PIRAIA: o gay-ros me to SYMBOLO TOU (afton ton dafnostefanomeno)
2.pao, triffili, to opoio simbolizei tyxi ,
   somateio pana8ina'i'kos , idri8ike apo tin ipsili koinonia tis a8inas oi opoioi eixan tin anesi ston eley8ero xrono tous na sxoli8oun kai me to podosfairo (milame gia to 1908)
   SYMBOLO THS A8HNAS : o pana8ina'i'kos  me to symbolo tou
3.aek , bizantinos aetos, bizantina xromata ta opoia symbolizoun to bizantio,
  somateio aek, idry8ike apo prosfyges tis Polis pou METEFERAN to symbolo tou byzantiou apo tin Kon/poli!
4.paok , bizantinos aetos , o opoios exei kleista ta ftera (se anti8esi me ayton tis aek) os endeiksei pen8ous!
  somateio paok (paromoios me aek)
  SYMBOLO THS 8ESSALONIKHS : o paok me to symbolo tou

(eksoteriko) mia kai pou aneferes to monaxo
1. bayern muenchen , bayareziki simaia sti mesi tou simatos kai giro ta grammata tis omados, symbolizei tin BAYARIA
  somateio: idri8ike (paromoios me pao)
  SYMBOLO TOU MONAXOU KAI KATEPEKTASI OLHS THS BAYARIAS:  Bayern muenchen me to simbolo tis
2.real madriths , basiliki korona
   somateio idri8ike kata pasa pi8anotita apo tin basiliki oikogeneia, eksisou kai to onoma "basillisa"
   SYMBOLO THS MADRITHS: REAL me to symbolo tis
3.f.c. barcelona, ena <poli sima> apo diafora symbola ta opoia exoun ta xromata tis katalonias , ton stayro ton stayroforon kai ta xromata tis ispanias
  somateio idri8ike apo katalanous
  SYMBOLO THS BARKELONHS KAI KATEPEKTASH OLHS THS KATALONIAS : f c barcelona me to symbolo tis
4.agglia synoptika: (koukoubagies , kanonia , an8rakorixoi klp., psakste na deite ti symbolizei to ka8e ena kai ti antiprosopeyei...)

Diladi kai oi skopianoi pou "danistikan" to onoma kai to SYMBOLO tis makedonias (to asteri) kala kanan afou patane kai aytoi stin arxaia makedonia kai nio8oun kai aytoi yperifanoi gia tin Makedonia!!! (eeee..... de pame kala...)
Psaxno na bro apegnosmenos paradeigmata pou mporei na isxyei ayto pou lete , 'H gia ayto pou ekane o S.F. Monaxou kai ebale gia symbolo tou syndesmou PAOK, tou monaxou to symbolo, alla den mou erxonte, oute ston a8litismo, oute ston politiko tomea!!!!

Mporoume na milame diladi gia katalanous oi opoioi zoune stin madriti , na baloun symbolo se kapio sima tous tin basiliki korona...?  
Mporoume na milame gia Ellines pou zoune stin Tourkia na baloun symbolo se kapoio somateio tous ena tourkiko symbolo...?  
Mporoume na milame gia Tourkous pou zoune stin Ellada, na baloun aytoi s'ena somateio tous ena symbolo ka8ara elliniko...?  
De sas katalebeno simera pragmatika olous............
Diladi stin mia periptosi einai kapelosi enos symbolou, kai stin alli den einai....?  
Pragmatika de sas katalabeno............

H apantisei pou pira...? ??  Oriste...!!!

πρώτα απο όλα εγώ δε σου είπα για δικέφαλο αετό, αλλά στο ξαναγράφω το PAOK-Athens που έχει την ακρόπολη τι πρέπει να κάνει ; καλώς η κακώς στη Μακεδονία έχει βάζελους  το συμβολο της είναι το αστέρι και της Θεσσαλονίκης ο πύργος ο λευκός δηλαδή τα σκουλίκια δεν πρέπει να χρησιμοποιούν τον λευκό πύργο; όχι ότι με αρέσει και μένα αλλά έτσι είναι.

Tsakalaki aston na leei re sy..
Na paei na dei to sima tou SF PAOK THYRA 4 Muenchen..i theleis na sto valw edw ?




Loipon ti les twra ?

O Makedonas einai Makedonas ironeagle..eite PAOKtshs,eite AEKtsis,eite Arianos,eite gay-ros..kanenas den exei to dikaiwma apo enan Makedona na afairesei to dikaiwma tou na xreisimopoiei to symvola tis "patridas" tou.

Απο που να ξεκινήσω ρε φίλε γιατί θέλεις να με χαζέψεις μου φαίνεται. Να ξεκινήσω απο το πρώτο λάθος σου ο αετός για τον οποίο μιλάς είναι ο μπασκετικός, ο αετός απο παλιά και μέχρι το 93 περίπου είχε ανοιχτά φτερά τώρα γιατί καθιερώθηκε αυτός τα τελευταία χρόνια είναι άλλο θέμα και δεν θα το αναπτύξουμε εδώ. Τώρα για τα υπόλοιπα δεν νομίζω ότι είναι το κατάλληλο θέμα αλλά θα σου απαντήσω ζητώντας συγνώμη απο τα υπόλοιπα μέλη. Καταρχάς για το εσωτερικό που λες η αεκ φαντάζομαι ότι δεν είναι σύμβολο κανενός, και ο ΠΑΟΚ της Θεσσαλονίκης ενώ εγώ νομίζω ότι σύμβολο της πόλης είναι ο λευκός πύργος. Για το εξωτερικό δεν θα ασχολειθώ γιατί θα μας φάει ώρα, απλά θα σου πώ ότι άλλο το τι αντιπροσωπεύει κάθε σήμα και άλλο αν κάποιος απο άλλη πόλη έχει το σύμβολοτηε περιοχής του. Για τους σκοπιανούς που νομίζεις ότι είπες εξυπνάδα αυτοί δηλώνουν Μακεδόνες γιατί θα θέλαν να είναι ενώ όμως δεν είναι στη καταγωγή,αν και πολύ θα το ήθελαν. Για τους καταλανούς της μαδρίτης δεν καταλαβαίνω που καλλάει γιατι δεν νομίζω πως οι οπαδοί της ατλέτικο έχουν σαν σήμα την κορόνα. Όσο για του Έλληνες που ζούν στην τουρκία φαντάζομαι ότι έχουν άπειρα μνημεία απο τα αρχαία χρόνια για να βάλουν ας πούμε την Αγία Σοφία. Στο ξανάγραψα και προηγουμένως ΑΝ νιώθεις πως είσαι μέλος αυτού του τόπου ενώ η ομάδα σου είναι απο μακρυά μπορείς να βάλεις ένα σύμβολο αν έχει κιόλας. Τελειώνω εδώ και αν θέλεις παραπάνω σχόλια άνοιξε ένα θέμα να το συζητήσουμε όσοι επιθημούν, ζητάω και πάλι συγνώμη για το παραπάνω άτοπο θέμα.

erntam pezntas pou lene kai oi filoi oi pontioi...

exeis mia tasi genika na min katalavaineis kanenan..

PS1. Gia to symvolo tou Muenchen ston SF PAOK Muenchen den mas eipes tipota..
PS2. Ta ekatomyria stin Athina gia to syllalitirio tis Makedonias eixan to dikaiwma na  exoun simaies me to asteri tis verginas ? i epitrepetai mono sta syllalitiria stin Thessaloniki ?  Tha mas trelaneis...

Sto oti les, file @tsakalaki, o s.f.PAOK attikis exei osi sima tin akropoli, pragmatika sou milao, proti fora to akouo! Exo dyo diaforetikes syndesmitikes mplouzes tous, kai kati eggrafa, kai pou8ena den apeikonizete i akropoli! Ean omos esy to exeis dei kapou, os episimo symbolo, fysika 8a epeimino stin apopsi mou OTI DEN STEKEI!!! ALLO SYMBOLIZEI O DIKEFALOS AETOS KAI ALLO H AKROPOLH! Akoma , file @geogrie-4-, o s.f. PAOK muenchen exei ena eikonidio parmeno apo to EMBLHMA tou Dimou Monaxou! Kai rotao.... ti koino exei o dikefalos aetos tou PAOK me ekeino to Symbolo tou monaxou?? O s.f. PAOK Monaxou , idri8ike os syndesmos tou PAOK 8essalonikis pou asxoleite me ta koina tou PAOK 8essalonikis, 'H mipos asxoleite kai me ta koina tou Dimou Monaxou?? Kai an den asxoleite me ta "Toy Dimou Monaxou" tote giati exoun san symbolo kai to symbolo tou proanaferomenou Dimou!!!
Ta ekkatomiria stin A8ina pou eipes, kratousan sta sillatiria pou ekanan gia tin Makedonia, simaies tis Makedonias!!! EKANAN SILLALITIRIO GIA THN MAKEDONIA, OS MAKEDONIA!!! TO SILLATIRIO EIXE NA KANEI GIA THN YPARXOUSA MAKEDONIA, kai fysika peiran ta symbola is Makedonias kai bgikan stous dromous!!

DEN MPOROUN NA SYNIPRAKSOUN OS ENIAIO SIMA , DYO IDI YPARXONTA SYMBOLA OTAN AYTA KAI TA DYO APO MONA TOUS SYMBOLIZOUN KATI! Stin prokimeni periptosi, opos anafero kai pio pano sto quote, o pana8ina'i'kos SYMBOLIZEI apo monos tou tin A8ina, kai o Leykos Pirgos tin 8essaloniki! (Ektos an paradextoume oti o pana8ina'i'kos einai panelladikos, arra kai ola ta symbola tis ellados tautizonte me ton pana8ina'i'ko!

Merika paradeigmata pou mou erxopnte sta grigora:
Fantasteite oi deksioi-akrodeksioi pou exoun er8ei apo rosia, (oi legomenoi roso-pontioi) , na exoun os sima ena deksio symbolo (p.x. ton pirso tis Neas Dimokrateias) kai os fonto to sfiro-drepano os simaia tou kratous katagogis tous (H pro'i'n Sobietiki Enosi eixe simaia to sfirodrepano!) H gnomi sas...??
Fantasteite ligo tous xristianous pou zoune se ena mousoulmaniko Kratos na exoun men ton stayro se Symbolo tous, alla gia na tonisoun oti einai se mousoulmaniko kratos na baloun kai to miso-feggaro!

Kleinontas 8a i8ela na apantiso kai ston filo ton @billypoglwssio

YG: (giati 8a eskaza an den to'lega) Oi Katalanoi ths Espanol Barcelona exoun shma to basiliko stema.

...opos ksereis file billy, oi idioi oi katalanoi lene (to exoume dei alloste kai ametrites fores se paixnidia tis barca se pano) "Catalonia is not Spain"!!!!
Kai se rotao (kai fysika perimeno apantisei   ) : den ksero to istoriko tis Espanol Barcelona kai poios tin idrise, alla afou oi Katalanoi den dexonte tin Ispania os kratos tous, 8a onomazan tin omada tous      E S P A N O L ? ? ? (Isapniki barkeloni?? ??)  Kai fysika ek toutou, efoson den tin idrisan kata pasa pi8anotita Katalanoi , den xrisimopioisan Symbola Katalonias kai xrisimopieisan Ispanika, opos proanafereis to basiliko stema   !!!!      

[IronEagle]

Eytixos pou breika kai ena ypostirixtei se oli ayti tin katastasi  kai pou an kai molis 16 xronon einai aksio8aymasto to keimeno tou....

AUTO POU EXW NA PW OSO ANAFORA AYTO TO 8EMA EINAI TO EKSIS: DEN ME NOIAZEI PLEON AN OI VAZELOI K OI GAUROI EXOUN SYNDESMO STH SALONIKA POSO MALLON NA EINAI K EPISIMOI.....APO TI STIGMH POU O LAOS TOU PAOK ANEXETAI TA PANTA K DEN ANTIDRAEI PIA ME TIPOTA K TRWEI OTI MAS DINOUN, SYNDESMOI ATHINAIWN K DIAFORA TETOIA 8A AYKSANONTAI SYNEXWS....
EGW PANTWS APO TI PLEURA MOU POU STI POLI MOU (KOZANI) YPARXOUN EPISIMOI SYNDESMOI TWN VAZELWN K TWN XANOUMIWN 8A KANW OTI MPORW ME LIGA FILARAKIA NA TOUS KLEISOUME ME OPOIONDIPOTE TROPO........TWRA AN ESEIS ANEXESTAI NA YPARXOUN STI SALONIKA K NA EINAI ENERGOI, TOTE OK?KANTE OTI KATALABENETAI K EPIPLEON YPOSTIRIKSTE TOUS OTI DH8EN KALA KANOUN K XRISOIMOPOIOUN TO SYMBOLA TIS BERGINAS K TOU LEYKOU PYRGOU........ΞΕΠΟΥΛΗΣΤΕ ΤΑ OLA REEEE........AKOMA KAI TIN PERIFANEIAS SAS.........

[Georgie-4-]

Ksekolla re ironeagle...
Allo an mas tsouzei pou allothriskoi exoun syndesmous stin Thessaloniki kai allo ta symvola..ksekolla se parakalw..

Ta symvola ola ANIKOUN STOUS PAPANTAXOU ELLINES...

O Levkos Pyrgos, i Akropoli, to Dion, i Dodoni, i Apsida tou Galeriou, i Agia Sofia ktl einai SYMVOLA TOU ELLINISMOU kai oxi symvola mono tis Thessalonikis, tis Athinas kai tis Kwnstantinoupolis ktl...Poso theleis na mas trelaneis ?

Ksereis posoi Ellines stin Germania exoun tarvenes me onoma Akropoli kai einai Voreioelladites?

re sy ksekolla apo tin zwi sou...PRWTA EIMASTE ELLINES kai meta PAOKtsides, gay, vazeloi kai aektsides...

Otan zw sto Monaxo kai eimai PAOKtsis, tha valw to sima tou Monaxo mesa sto dikefalo aeto, gia na deiksw tin proelevsi mou..

O Athinaios trelopaoktsis, giati na valei ton Levko Pyrgo kai oxi tin Akropoli ? Gennimenos stin Athina einai, ti douleia exei peran tou PAOK me tin Thessaloniki ? Opws kai to idio isxyei gia tou vazelous Thessalonikeis..kai ksanamatalew allo einai an anexomaste vazelosyndesmous stin Thessaloniki kai allo an exoun to dikaiwma na xrisimopoioun symvola tis PATRIDAS tous..avto to dikaiwma den mporei na tous to afairesei KANEIS..

[tsakalaki]

Θα ξεκινήσω με το θέμα της ακρόπολης
http://www.paok-athens.gr/paok/modules.php?name=Encyclopedia&op=list_content&eid=7 εδώ θα το δείς.
 ας πάρουμε την περίπτωση της εσπανιόλ η οποία αν δεν κάνω λάθος δημιουργήθηκε απο τον Φράγκο εξού και η κορόνα και οι περισσότεροι οπαδοί της είναι απο γόνους παλιών στρατιωτικών.
Δεν μου είπες μια που μιλάς για σύμβολα η ατλέτικο έχει πουθενά την κορόνα ;
έχεις μπερδευτεί μάλλον αλλά θα στο ξαναπώ οι βάζελοι που μένουν στην Θεσσαλονίκη δηλαδή δεν είναι Έλληνες δεν είναι Μακεδόνες ; αφού μένουν εδώ τι σήμα να βάλουν την ακρόπολη ; νιώθουν περήφανοι που είναι Μακεδόνες και το τονίζουν τώρα αν δεν μας αρέσει που έχουν σύνδεσμο εδώ είναι μια άλλη ιστορία. Εκτός αν νομίζεις ότι ζούνε σε μια ξένη χώρα και απαγορευεται να χρησιμοποιούν τα δικά μας σύμβολα πράγμα για το οποίο διαφωνώ. Λες ότι ο παναθηναικός είναι πανελλαδικός και φυσικά είναι και όχι μόνο αυτός όπως φυσικά πανελλήνιος είναι και ο ΠΑΟΚ για να μην πώ παγκόσμιος. Και τώρα που θυμάμαι πριν απο χρόνια ο σ.φ.Ηρακλείου Κρήτης είχε βγάλει μπλουζάκια με το δικέφαλο μπροστά και απο πίσω την Κρήτη η και αυτό θα έπρεπε να απαγορεύεται, θα μπορούσα να σου γράφω για ώρες αλλά δεν νομίσω ότι θα καταλάβεις.

[artemios]

to sumbolo tou paok einai ena o dikefalos aetos
 i edra i thessalonikh
o leukos purgos einai sumbolo gia tin poli mas oxi gia thn omada mas
aloste kai ta skoulikia pou pernoune kanena kipelaki sto basket  pano sto leuko pirgo ta panigurizoun ti sumbolizoun to paok?
enai krima na skefomaste etsi egw edw sthn australia exw kolito apo kalamata pou einai trello ÐÁÏÊôóáêé ti na tou pw na valei to leuko pirgo apo tin kalamata katagete o an8ropws kai exei alla simbola gia tin poli tou i agapi tou einai mia o paok
ena paradeigma efera giati exw polla ÐÁÏÊôóÜêéá apo kerkira, arta klp
peftoume sthn pagida ton athneon pou einai proteuousianei kai oloi oi alloi eparxia e oxi re ellada eimaste oloi kai to sima tou paok as kimatizei se olo ton kosmo an kapoio salonikios tin vriskei me vazelo dikaiomato poios eimai egw na ton krino
an egine vazelogauros giati autoi kerdizoun ta panta sto katestimeno e tote teoia ÐÁÏÊôóÜêéá den ta 8elw as ginoun gauroi xanoumia oti 8eloun
egw menw 1000000000 xiliades xiliometra apo tin toumpa kai thn exw ka8e mera sthn kardia mou sto maulo mou poios einai autos pou 8a mou pei na min valw to sinbolo kapoio xaraktiristiko tis poli edw me to paok mazi
xara mou oloi i athineo na katalavoun kai na aspazonto to megaleio tou paok

[tsakalaki]

Noμίζω πως με λίγα λόγια έγραψες Αρτέμιε και μετέφερες την πραγματικότητα που ζει ο ΠΑΟΚτσής που ζεί μακρυά απο τη χώρα του.

[skyclad4]

Sumfwnw 100% me artemio. O PAOK exei san sumbolo to Dikefalo Aeto kai tipote allo. Oute leukoi purgoi, oite asteria ths berginas exoun sxesh me ton PAOK. O leukos purgos einai to sumbolo ths 8essalonikhs kai to asteri ths berginas to sumbolo mias arxaias autokratorias.

[IronEagle]

Paideia ligo prosoxi, na min mperdeyti i poutsa me tin bourtsa....

@Gergie-4- Safos kai ola ta Ellinika symbola anoikoun se olous tous Ellines kai to ka8ena symbolizei tin Ellada! Sto oti eimaste prota Ellines omos, kai meta Paok, gay, bazeloi klp. mi to 8etis kai toso apolita , giati einai prosopiki sou apopsi! Eimaste Ellines ospou paiksoun oi Ellinikes mas omades stin Eyropi! Tin ora ton agonon den eimaste Ellines, alla Ispanoi
Aggloi, Germanoi, Italoi klp.! Perito na sou po oti se ka8e apotixia Ellinikis (a8ina'i'kis) omadas stin Eyropi se ola ta radiofona tis 8essalonikis ixoun "klarina"! Kati analogo ginete kai stin a8ina metaksi tous gay kai tous bazelous! Giati 8a eisai poli afelis an nomizeis oti oi gay 8eloun to kalo tou bazelou stin Eyropi kai anti8etos!
Ayto me tis tavernes stin Germania den to katalava alla telos panton! Safos kai to ksero alla kai kala kanoun! (8a me peiraze ean eblepa tourkous na exoun tourkika kafeneia me to onoma akropoli kai ka8e ti Elliniko, akoma kai tin Agia Sofia, pou simbenei kai ayto! Kai na kseres poso me peiraze pou eblepa stin Germania Tourkika magazakia me onomasies "Hagia Sofia", "Kibris" (Kypros), "Trabzon", eidika kati mikromagaza 5x5 "Doener - Kebap Stuben" pou prepei na ksereis gia pio pragma milao, mesa stin broma kai na figourarei apo ekso to megalitero symbolo tis or8odoksias! To mono pou mou pernouse apo to mialo , eitan "ELEOS"!!!)
Oso gia ton filo sou ton A8inaio pou mou les, ki ego eimai Skydraios / Edessa kai to symbolo tis perioxis einai oi kataraktes tis Edessas! Apo mikro paidi omos otan akoma zografiza kati peri PAOK zografiza ton dikefalo kai ton Leyko Pirgo, asxetos an den eimai apo Saloniki, alla den zografiza tous kataraktse tis Edessas gia na deikso tin proeleysi mou! Den empleka ton PAOK me tin proeleysi mou! Giati poli apla den exei kamia sxesi to apo pou katagome ego , kai ti antiprosopeyei o PAOK!

@tsakalaki den paei na pei oti oles oi omades prepei na exoun son kai kala to idio symbolo!!! De se katalaba!! Prepei na exoun oles oi omades stin Ispania basiliki korona? Malon kati la8os katalabes....
Gia to an o pana8ina'i'kos einai panelladikos einai kai ayto prosopiki sou apopsi! 8a sou po ki esena to idio pou eipa kai ston filo ton georgi, otan o pana8ina'ikos paizei Eyropi ta 2/3 tis Ellados einai me ton antipalo tou pana8ina'i'kou para me ton idio! Opote apo pou bgazeis to symperasma oti einai panelladikos?
O PAOK tora, ekprosopeite pangosmios apo tous fila8lous tou, dioti einai diaskorpismenoi se olo ton kosmo, alla apo pou ki ospou einai o idios pangosmios? O PAOK einai enas, aytos stin 8essaloniki!
O S.F.PAOK Kritis, o S.F PAOK sto Monaxo kai o S.F. Bazelos 13 Salonikis, mporoun na kanoune oti 8eloun kai na bgaloun osa mplouzakia 8eloun (me otidipote epigrafes o ka8enas)! Emeis otan bgalame mplouzakia, to 8ema mas eitan o PAOK, diladi to a8litiko somateio me symbolo ton dikefalo aeto pou exei edra tin 8essaloniki, kai ayti me tin seira tis exei symbolo ton leyko pirgo kai katepektasi san Makedonia to Asteri tis Berginas! Kai sou milao gia mplouzes FAN-CLUB PAOK NUERNBERG! Ean 8elame na tonisoume tin katagogi mas (pou safos kai DEN einai i Nyrembergi), alla ean 8elame, 8a bgazame kati paromoio me ayto tis Kritis 'H me ayto tou Monaxou, ena logotipo PAOK / Nuernberg kai 8a bazame ta palia kastra tis Nyrembergis pou einai kai to Symbolo tis sygekrimenis polis, alla den 8a eixe kamia ma kamia simasi me to somateio PAOK 8essaloniki! Poios Germanos 'H kapoios pou den asxoleite, 8a eblepe enan dikefalo pano apo kati kastra, kai to myalo tou 8a pigene ston PAOK 8essalonikis? ? Otan akoma kai to symbolo tis Frankonias / Nyrembergis einai aetos (monokefalos men alla Aetos)! O ka8e asxetos me to antikeimeno, 8a nomize oti bgalame mplouzes gia logariasmo tou dimou! Emeis omos 8elame na proo8isoume ton PAOK , tin 8essaloniki kai tin Makedonia! Etsi kai otan ka8e Germanos, 'H ka8e asxetos eblepe to sygekrimeno Symbolo i8ele den i8ele, to myalo tou pigene ekei,    ........ ston PAOK mas!

@artemios oi a8inaioi kseroun agori mou oti o PAOK einai pantou, skopos mas omos einai na ma8oun kai oi ksenoi ti esti PAOK! Ara ekei stin makrini Aystralia kalo 8a itan na proo8ousate kai eseis ta symbola tis Makedonias kai tis 8essalonikis, para kati Aystraleziko, giati pio pi8ano einai na blepoun ta mplouzakia sas Aystraloi, para a8inaioi!

@skyclad4 Mallon mazi mou symfoneis esy file mou, alla den to katalabes! Safos kai o PAOK exei mono ena symbolo ton dikefalo aeto! Ayto to fonazo apo tote pou anoikse to topic! Oso gia ton Leyko Pirgo kai to Asteri tis Berginas, na sou n8imiso oti edra tou PAOK einai i 8essaloniki kai i idia briskete stin Makedonia!

Kai gia na teleiono me oles tis apories, fysika kai exoun to dikaioma na xrisimopoioun kai ta skoulikia kai oi gries ta sygekrimena symbola , giati oi omades tous katagonte apo ekei, opos kai oloi oi Ellines gia na epidiksoun tin Ellinotita tous (p.x. sto eksoteriko)! Aytoi pou den exoun kanena dikaioma na xrisimopoioun ta sygekrimmena symbola einai skopianoi, tourkoi, albanoi kai akoma bazeloi , gay, kai xanoumia! Giati polli apla den exei kanenas apo aytous kati koino me ta sigekrimena symbola! Kai an kapios einai yperifanos pou einai Makedonas , alla taytoxrona einai bazelos 'H gay kalo einai na exei ksexorista ta dyo symbola!

[Georgie-4-]

Paideia ligo prosoxi, na min mperdeyti i poutsa me tin bourtsa....

Ena pragma san to pswmi ,paideia, elevtheria diladi ? 

@Gergie-4- Safos kai ola ta Ellinika symbola anoikoun se olous tous Ellines kai to ka8ena symbolizei tin Ellada! Sto oti eimaste prota Ellines omos, kai meta Paok, gay, bazeloi klp. mi to 8etis kai toso apolita , giati einai prosopiki sou apopsi!

Agkagkaougkagka...Mallon na mas trelaneis valthikes simera..Exeis xasei mallon tin epafi me tin pragmatikotita kai dystyxws na se voithisw den mporw..
Prwta loipon eisai PAOK kai meta Ellinas..malista

Eimaste Ellines ospou paiksoun oi Ellinikes mas omades stin Eyropi! Tin ora ton agonon den eimaste Ellines, alla Ispanoi
Aggloi, Germanoi, Italoi klp.! Perito na sou po oti se ka8e apotixia Ellinikis (a8ina'i'kis) omadas stin Eyropi se ola ta radiofona tis 8essalonikis ixoun "klarina"! Kati analogo ginete kai stin a8ina metaksi tous gay kai tous bazelous! Giati 8a eisai poli afelis an nomizeis oti oi gay 8eloun to kalo tou bazelou stin Eyropi kai anti8etos!

Me tin diestrammeni dikia sou logiki, den yparxoun omades PAOK,PAO kai gay giati otan pirame to EURO,oloi stous dromous fwnazame einai varia i poutsa tou tsolia...Alli epafi me tin elliniki koinwnia ektos apo tis omades kai ta athlitika exeis ?
Gia esena i kazoura isoutai me eleipsi ethnikis tavtotitas..

O PAOKtshs thelei na xanei o roulis stin Evrwpi, pou o roulis einai Thessalonikios, opote o PAOKtshs den einai Thessalonikios ?

muuuuhhhhhhh....

Ayto me tis tavernes stin Germania den to katalava alla telos panton! Safos kai to ksero alla kai kala kanoun! (8a me peiraze ean eblepa tourkous na exoun tourkika kafeneia me to onoma akropoli kai ka8e ti Elliniko, akoma kai tin Agia Sofia, pou simbenei kai ayto! Kai na kseres poso me peiraze pou eblepa stin Germania Tourkika magazakia me onomasies "Hagia Sofia", "Kibris" (Kypros), "Trabzon", eidika kati mikromagaza 5x5 "Doener - Kebap Stuben" pou prepei na ksereis gia pio pragma milao, mesa stin broma kai na figourarei apo ekso to megalitero symbolo tis or8odoksias! To mono pou mou pernouse apo to mialo , eitan "ELEOS"!!!)

Twra avta den ta katalava giati mallon diavazontas ta, pethanane ston dromo kamia dekaria xiliades egkefalika kyttara..

Pane des kai SF PAOK London kai to SF PAOK New York..kai an theleis kai allous syndesmous edw eimai...

Oso gia ton filo sou ton A8inaio pou mou les, ki ego eimai Skydraios / Edessa kai to symbolo tis perioxis einai oi kataraktes tis Edessas! Apo mikro paidi omos otan akoma zografiza kati peri PAOK zografiza ton dikefalo kai ton Leyko Pirgo, asxetos an den eimai apo Saloniki, alla den zografiza tous kataraktse tis Edessas gia na deikso tin proeleysi mou! Den empleka ton PAOK me tin proeleysi mou! Giati poli apla den exei kamia sxesi to apo pou katagome ego , kai ti antiprosopeyei o PAOK!

Katalavainw tin logiki sou, kai egw apo mikros zwgrafiza diastimoploia, avto den simainei omws oti eimai apo ton Ari, epeidi omws den zwgrafiza ton Levko Pyrgo den simainei oti i proelevsi mou den einai apo tin Thessaloniki...Ta xapia mou...

Edit : Kai me tin logiki sou pou skotwnei, oute oi Pontioi exoun to dikaiwma na xrisimopoioune ta symvola avta, giati apla den einai Makedones, alla Pontioi..
Episis i 25 Martiou giortazoume tin kyriksi tis epanastasews stin Agia Lavra..epeidi loipon emeis oi Thessalonikeis, alla PAOKtsides, den goustaroume tous Peloponisious, den tha giortasoume fetos.. Einai mia giorti tis Peloponisou kai tis Stereas Ellados..
Na apokyriksoume diladi tin ethniki avti epeteio kai na giortazoume apo edw kai pera tin Apelevtherwsi tis Makedonias mono...alla poustia o Pavlos Melas itane Athinaios, kai alli poustia polemisan Kritikoi kai Kyprioi...hmmm tote na min giortasoume tipota..

Ta SYMVOLA TOU ETHNOUS EINAI ELLINIKA KAI OLOI OI ELLINES EXOUN TO DIKAIWMA NA TA XRISIMOPOIOUN..

Aman kai alli poustia, ta katostarika eixan to sima stis Makedonias kai ta eixane sta xeria tous vazeloi kai gay ? Ntropi...pali kala pou irthe to euro..Ta xapia mou..

[drous]

Kai esy Georgie-4 exeis dikio, kai esy IronEagle exeis dikio

Apla mia dieukrinish kuriws apo ton IronEagle

To asteri ths Berginas proerxetai apo tis Arxaies Aiges - sugxronh Bergina
H opoia bergina anhkei ston nomo Hma8ias
O opoios anhkei sto gewgrafiko diamerisma ths Makedonias
H opoia anhkei sto boreio miso ths Elladas (Boreia Ellada)
H opoia anhkei sthn Ellada

Apo auth thn alusida (Bergina -> N. Hma8ias -> Makedonia -> B.Ellada -> Ellada) 8ewreis oti prepei na spasei o krikos pou enwnei thn Makedonia me thn boreia ellada (na mhn exoun dikaiwma oi 8rakiwtes px na to xrhsimopoioun) h' autos pou enwnei thn B.Ellada me thn Ellada?

Kai giati na mhn spasei pio nwris. Na bgei o Beriwths kai na sou pei.. Katse re 8essalonikie... ti douleia exeis me to Asteri esy? Sto nomo mou den einai?? Giati to xrhsimopoieis?

8a mou peis... einai sumbolo ths Makedonias kai h 8essalonikh anhkei sth Makedonia.
Kai 8a bgei kai o Skopianos kai 8a sou pei oti kai autos anhkei sto Euruterh perioxh ths Makedonias.
Meta 8a tou apanthseis oti den milaei Ellhnika kai paei legontas.

H diaxwristikh grammh tou ti anhkei se poion kai poios exei dikaiwma na to xrhsimopoiei einai polu lepth

Giati epishs 8a sou kapoios, oti mono o Hraklhs kai o Arhs 8a prepei na xrhsimopoioune to Asteri ths Berginas giati einai swmatia pou dhlwnoune o enas ton Hmi8eo kai o allos ton 8eo tou polemou (ara arxaia Ellada, Dwdeka8eo, dhl h 8rhskeia twn Makedonwn)
Kai oti h Buzantinh Autokratoria (me tis ka8ara Rwmaikes Rizes) h opoia dhlwnetai apo to sumbolo tou PAOK 3erizwse apo thn suneidhsh tou autox8ona Ellhnia thn 8rhskeia tou (to Dwdeka8eo twn Makedonwn pou exoune sumbolo to Asteri ths Berginas) kai epeballe ton Xristianismo. Kai autos o opoios prospa8hse na epanaferei ton Arxaio Ellhniko Politismo 8ewreitai Parabaths.
Opote mporei na anoixtei kai auto to terastio 8ema ths sugkroushs Klassikou Ellhnismou kai Xristianismou.

Oi grammes to 3analew einai POLY leptes
Ara Georgie-4 exeis dikio, IronEagle exeis kai esu dikio kai nomizw oti kai egw exw dikio

[Georgie-4-]

drous exeis apolyta dikio..
egw den katalavainw omws pou exei dikio o ironeagle otan leei oti oi vazeloi kai oi gay den mporoun na xrisimopoioun to sima tis Verginas i ton Levko Pyrgo ?

Exeis apolyto dikio, kai den tha itane ofelimo na arxisoume me to thema Arxaios ellinikos politismos VS Rwmaiki Avtokratoria (Byzantini)..

O Ellinas einai Ellinas..eite einai PAOK eite Aris eite gay..eite deksios eite aristeros..

Telospantwn to thema nomizw eksantlithike kai den xrizei peraiterw analysis..

[drous]

Yparxei kai h ennoia tou topikismou thn opoia thn apodexomai. Paradeigma h patrida tou Zourari....
To 8ewrw hli8io na uposthrizeis omades pou den anhkoun ston topo sou idiws epeidh tuxainei na einai prwtes. Na dw pote 8a apokthsoume thn Agglikh nootropia. As poume sto Manchester pou emeina 2 xronia einai gegonos oti oi perissoteroi einai City kai oxi UTD. Thn apex8anontai thn UTD, kai lene malista oti thn UTD thn uposthrizoune mono 3enoi (auto gia thn nootropia oti sthn Agglia den uposthrizoune tis prwta8lhtries). Kai fusika den uparxoune Mancunians (oi katoikoi tou Manchester pou na uposthrizoune Chelsea)

Opote katalabainw thn logikh tou oti eisai Makedonas, uposthrizei A8hnaikes omades, ai sixtir tote kai na dexesai kai ta sumbola ths A8hnas kai oxi ths Makedonias. E3allou einai gnwsth h adikia se baros ths upoloiphs Elladas se sxesh me thn A8hna. Opws kai eipe h a3iotimh Dhmarxos A8hnwn... Ellada = A8hna! "Euxaristoume thn E8nikh Ellados pou efere to kupello sthn A8hna"
Opote apo to prisma pou to koitaei o IronEagle exei dikio. Etsi toulaxiston mporw na to ermhneusw egw.

Bebaia pali uparxei o antilogos... An einai na akoume mono Trupes giati einai 8essalonikeis kai oxi Socrates (sthn tuxh to lew den 3erw apo pou einai o Spa8as h o Tourkogiwrghs...) h' Poulikako, h Sidhropoulo (pou htan A8hnaios).

Den eimai sxizofrenhs... (giati mia lew to ena, mia to allo). Apla to 8ema einai h optikh gwnia pou blepeis ta pragmata.
Den 3erw an exei e3antlh8ei to 8ema. Sigoura den uparxei swsto kai la8os

[Georgie-4-]

Ara me to prisma pou to vlepei o ironeagle kai wraia to paratheteis esy, o ironeagle Edessaikos prepei na einai i Aetos Skydras kalytera...
ara afou einai PAOK, to prisma mallon kapou exei ragisma..

file drous, to olo thema exei na kanei me stenokefali antilipsi kai oxi me prismata...exei athinaikes pinakides ena pragma..

To gegonos oti o Makedonas gay i vazelos den mporei na xrisimopoiisei to sima tis verginas symfwna me ta legomena tou ironeagle, exei apla kai mono na kanei me opadiko misos kai oxi me koini logiki...
Exei mperdepsei ta opadika me ta ethnika kai tin kazoura kai den kserei ti leei..

[IronEagle]

Ara me to prisma pou to vlepei o ironeagle kai wraia to paratheteis esy, o ironeagle Edessaikos prepei na einai i Aetos Skydras kalytera...

Perito na sou po otan kerdise o Edessai'ikos ton PAOK, me proponiti ton aggelo anastasiadi (stin Edessa), panigiriza san trelos...   ekei stin Germania!
Krima pou to 90% ton katoikon tis Kozanis kai tis eyriteris perioxis (Ptolema'i'da klp.) dilonoun prota Kozani, prota Ptolema'i'da kai meta PAOK!

Exo oli tin kali 8eleisi na sou ma8o merika pragmata, san pio mikros pou eisai, kai 8a sou ete8a dyo yparkta paradeigamata me ta Symbola, kai 8a eisoun pseytis ean mou eleges de se peirazei, .....'H adiaforos, ......'H anikseros! Apla prepei na exei kai tin 8elisi kapios na ma8eis 5 pragmata parapano, alla taytoxrona kai tin paideia! ...me aytin tin epilektiki sou omos antipara8asi, mallon de prokeite na simfonisei me kati, oso kai na prospa8o....

Agkagkaougkagka...Mallon na mas trelaneis valthikes simera..Exeis xasei mallon tin epafi me tin pragmatikotita kai dystyxws na se voithisw den mporw..
Prwta loipon eisai PAOK kai meta Ellinas..malista

O PAOKtshs thelei na xanei o roulis stin Evrwpi, pou o roulis einai Thessalonikios, opote o PAOKtshs den einai Thessalonikios ?

muuuuhhhhhhh....


Katalavainw tin logiki sou, kai egw apo mikros zwgrafiza diastimoploia, avto den simainei omws oti eimai apo ton Ari, epeidi omws den zwgrafiza ton Levko Pyrgo den simainei oti i proelevsi mou den einai apo tin Thessaloniki...Ta xapia mou...

Edit : Kai me tin logiki sou pou skotwnei, oute oi Pontioi exoun to dikaiwma na xrisimopoioune ta symvola avta, giati apla den einai Makedones, alla Pontioi..
Episis i 25 Martiou giortazoume tin kyriksi tis epanastasews stin Agia Lavra..epeidi loipon emeis oi Thessalonikeis, alla PAOKtsides, den goustaroume tous Peloponisious, den tha giortasoume fetos.. Einai mia giorti tis Peloponisou kai tis Stereas Ellados..
Na apokyriksoume diladi tin ethniki avti epeteio kai na giortazoume apo edw kai pera tin Apelevtherwsi tis Makedonias mono...alla poustia o Pavlos Melas itane Athinaios, kai alli poustia polemisan Kritikoi kai Kyprioi...hmmm tote na min giortasoume tipota..
Aman kai alli poustia, ta katostarika eixan to sima stis Makedonias kai ta eixane sta xeria tous vazeloi kai gay ? Ntropi...pali kala pou irthe to euro..Ta xapia mou..

Kai afou o georgis dilonei oti to 8ema eksantli8ike, apaito apo tou moderator's na kleidosei!!!!

Yparxei kai h ennoia tou topikismou thn opoia thn apodexomai. Paradeigma h patrida tou Zourari....
To 8ewrw hli8io na uposthrizeis omades pou den anhkoun ston topo sou idiws epeidh tuxainei na einai prwtes. Na dw pote 8a apokthsoume thn Agglikh nootropia. As poume sto Manchester pou emeina 2 xronia einai gegonos oti oi perissoteroi einai City kai oxi UTD. Thn apex8anontai thn UTD, kai lene malista oti thn UTD thn uposthrizoune mono 3enoi (auto gia thn nootropia oti sthn Agglia den uposthrizoune tis prwta8lhtries). Kai fusika den uparxoune Mancunians (oi katoikoi tou Manchester pou na uposthrizoune Chelsea)

File akribos ayto, opos aloste kai sto Torino opou i misi einai AC Turin kai ena elaxisto pososto tis poli einai Juve...!! (Kai as to doune ayto kai se agone pou dinei i Juventus akoma kai sto Champios League... opos p.x. me tin Werder tis proalles opou to gipedo eitan misoadeio!) Alla telos panton eipame xreiazete 8elisi gia na ma8eis kati..., me to zori xorio den ginete!!!

[Georgie-4-]

Do you speak Greek ?


I ilikia me tis gnwseis kai tin paideia den paizei kanena rolo..esy thewreis ton eavto sou morfomeno  (?) pou tha mou mathei merika pragmata, san pio mikros pou eimai ?

Gia ta symvola ksekinisame kai ftasame stin AC Turin..afou etsi einai akrivws, pane asxolisou me ton Edessaiko kai tous Katarraktes kai ase emas tous Thessalonikeis me ton PAOK mas kai ton Levko Pyrgo mas..
Alla itheles na peis, allou kateleikses...

Diladi eisai topikistis ?

[Suicidal]

H espanol phre to onoma ths giati otan idri8ike to 1900, oi tote omades ths barkelonhs eixan pollous 3enous, kai aytoi (foitites tou panepistimiou barkelonhs) 8elan na tonisoun to ispaniko stoixeio sthn omada tous. Alla3e merikes fores to onoma ths ews otou o tote basilias Alfonso o 13os,
tous apeneme ton titlo espanol giati goustare thn olh “filosofia” pisw apo to swmmateio.
e3ou kai to basiliko stema (ftou) sto logo tous....

[artemios]

 file Georgie-4- dustixos egw  uparxoun apires stigmes pou nio8w poio polu paok para ellinas otan sto petsi mas nio8oume thn adikia tou katestimenou xilies otan me fonazoun vourgaro xilies fores ota merikoi lene thn thessalonikh eparxeia kai ena soro

oso gia ton IronEagle malon den exei idea apo australia allios den 8a milisou gia ta sinbola tis makedonias
idika sthn australia
opos leei kai o kazantsidis edw me vonazoun ellina kai sthn patrida kseno

[Georgie-4-]

Artemie i adikia kai ta podosfairika einai allo thema..
To kalytero paradeigma ta syllaltitiria gia tin Makedonia stin Athina..avti pou se fwnazoun Voulgaro, evgainan kai fwnazan i Makedonia einai elliniki..

Min mperdevoume tin kazoura kai ta athlitika me ta ethnika zitimata..

Exoume deiksei polles fores sto parelthon pws i patrida mas enwnei..eite deksious eite aristerous..eite ÐÁÏÊôóÜêéá eite gay

[IronEagle]

Breeeeee.... poliksere  giorgaki,
ELLINARA esy kai 8essalonikie, pou ama se rotiso pou ypiretises gia tin patrida kai pia esso eisai, 8a mou peis oti peires anaboli logou monimou katoikou eksoterikou breeeeee ELLINARA giorgakiiiiii..........!!!! Alla kata t'alla "pano ap'ola i patrida kai i ELLADA" kai ayto mallon pou exeis krifa esy sto myalo sou, XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX !!!!
Bre poliksere, pou opote se synferei epikaleis tous syndesmou tou PAOK kai opote oxi, ka8ese kai tous katakrineis!!!!

Me petixes sta kala mou simera kai 8a katso na (prospa8iso) na sou to eksigiso!!!!

Brreeee.... goirgakiiiii, stin Ollandia yparxei mia omada, ena a8litiko somateio, me to onoma HERACLES! (Gia ta tangalakia tou forum = Hraklis)! Ayti i omada loipon exei edra to Nijmegen (nomizo, den eimai sigouros, alla exei kai elaxisti simasia!!!), pantos agonizete sto prota8lima Ollandias!
Brrreeeeee giorgaki..... (Erotisi kano...??) ean se ekeini tin ollandiki poli loipon, zei kapios ELLINAS Hraklidaias, (prosekse to grafo analitikia gia tous an8ropous me idikes anages..., Hraklidaias = Fila8los tou a8litikou somateiou Hraklis 8essalonikis!!!!), kai apofasisei loipon na idrisei ena syndesmo fila8lon ekei tou HRAKLH 8ESSALONIKHS oxi Tou Hercules...., kai bazei loipon ton imi8eo tis mi8ologias, kai san fonto tin Ollandia, 'H kalitera, to symbolo tis polis ekeinis....!  Ama ton deis ayton ton typako na kobei boltes stin stin 8essaloniki ....'H sto Heidelberg (Krima pou i poli fimizete gia ta panepistimia tis), me mia blouza s.f Hraklhs Nijmegen,me symbola ton Hrakli kai ton xarti tis Ollandias, pou 8a paei re SPIRTO (..bregmeno!!!!) to myaloudaki sou? ? Emena pantos 8a paei se ollando tourista!!!!

Gia na sto kano akoma pio eyklolo....!!!

Breeeeee giorgaki, stin Ellada yparxei ena a8litiko somateio me to onoma Olymp iakos Piraios, kai ENA ALLO (mi ksana mperdepseis ton poutsa kai tin bourtsa) Olym piakos Bolou!!!
Ean tixon breeeeeee.... giorgaki deis pali enan typako me kokkini mplouza  pou na grafei s.f. Oly mpiakos / Bolou kai exei san symbola ton arxaio ayton gay kai to sxima tou nomou Magnisias (N.Magnisias grafikos panemorfos nomos, me xaraktiristiko sxima tou nomou, ......etsi breeeee giorgaki na ma8eneis kai 5 pragmatkia, kalo 8a sou kanoun)..... esena pali pou 8a sou paei to myaloudaki sou to ermo...? ? Ston ka8aytou Oly mpiako, 'H mipos ston Ol ympiako Bolou....!!!!

Ti sxesi exei o s.f.gay piraios ston bolo, na apeikonizoun to nomo kai ton topo proeleysi aytou syndesmou, otan i omada ayti pou ypostirizoun einai ston bromo-piraia kai oxi ston bolo?? ?? Ekei, kalos 'H kakos yparxei allo somateio me to idio onoma!!!! ....KAI EDO EINAI H OLH PLAKA, allo somateio alla ME TO IDIO SHMA!!!!

Kai oso, an exei to dikaioma ka8e Ellinas na xrisimopiei ta ELLINIKOTATA ayta symbola, 8a sou apantiso me mia leksi! .....EKSARTATE!!!!

Breeee giorgaki an ayrio me8ayrio kana 5-10  akra-akra-akra-akrodeksia PAOKTSHDES, apofsisoun na idrisoun ena silogo o opoios einai akra deksios, NAZI stikos 8a elega, kai apofasisoun loipon na exoun os symbolo tous, ena dikefalo aeto, kai na kratei sto podia to kageloto stayro tou Hitler, (Hacken-kreuz)! Esy pisteyeis oti exoun ta ka8e dikaioma na to kanoun  epeidi apla einai PAOK? ? ?   Ti les breeeeeeeeee  giorgakiiiiiiii...., pou exei to dikaioma o KA8ENAS na XRISIMOPIEI TA SYMBOLA MOU GIA KA8E TIXON MALAKIA DIKIA TOU!!!!

Kai an tixon breeeeeee. giorgaaaakiiiiii.... kapioi alloi satanistes xrisimopieisoun to idio sima , me ton dikefalo na kratei kapia pentalfa kai sto soma tou aetou na exei diafora symbola tou satana,opos p.x. to 666 kai tous anapodous stayrous, ...........soooooopaaaaaaaa  breeee giorgaki pou exei to dikaioma na disfimizei ton aeto tou PAOK , me to epixirima epeidi KAI  aytos einai PAOK!!! Kai an ta dei kapios asxetos breeee giorgaki ta en lgo symbola, (asxetos = i mana kai i kopela mou! Ena paradeigmataki giorgakiiii, giati den einai oloi sxetikoi kai polikseroi san ki esena) pia 8a einai i antidrasi tous breeeee giorgakkiiii.....? ? ?? Ksereis ti 8a poune ?  ? ? Eseis oi paktsides oloi satanistes eiste, breee giorgaaaakiiii.....!!!! Sooopppaa  pou epeidi einai ELLINES kai PAOKtsides exoun to dikaioma na xrisimopioune to sima tou PAOK! Ean de symfoneis kai se ayto tote 8a arxiso na pisteyo oti esai poli xamilou dikti no'i'mosinis!!!!

Gi ayto sou leo breeee giorgaki,   allo i poutsa kai allo i bourtsaaa!!! (Pou mou aneferes magazia stin germania kai e8nikes giortes gia na mou apodikseis oti kala ekanan  oi bazeloi!!!)


Pros Moderators: Re paides, kante kati me tis Leksis oly mpiakos kai 8ri los! Prox8es se ena allo mou post eixa grapsei gia ton 8ri lo tis ouggarias debreceni kai mou bgeike 8r(h)nos! Kai ston oly mpiakos, anagastika na  to grapso diekikomena, giati allios 8e ebgene gay-bros! Kai milousa gia ton ....boloy!!! 8a mou peis oti ki ekeinoi gay einai, alla gia na ginei pio katano'i'to ston giorgaki mas!!!

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Artemie i adikia kai ta podosfairika einai allo thema..
To kalytero paradeigma ta syllaltitiria gia tin Makedonia stin Athina..avti pou se fwnazoun Voulgaro, evgainan kai fwnazan i Makedonia einai elliniki..

..........Sta  arxidia mou kai mena pou den eimai apo ekei

fonazane bre giorgaakiiii.....!!!!
Eides pou den ta ksereis......