Σχέση ΑΣ ΠΑΟΚ με Παε,Καε - ποσοστα του - Γηπεδα - Γουμενος

[PAOK-1965]

Re magges exw merikes erwthseis pou den exoun amesh sxesh me to topic alla exoun kapoia emmesh sxesh me thn idiokthsia tou ghpedou kata kapoio tropo. Eimai entelws asxetos me to pws leitourgei ena swmateio typou PAOK, gay-rou ktl.

1) Poia h sxesh tou erasitexnh me PAE, KAE kai alla tmhmata;
2) Exw akousei oti o erasitexnhs einai o idiokthths ths Toumpas, poios einai o idiokthths tou Ghpedou basket;
3) Otan milame gia metoxes tou PAOK, milame gia to sunolo tou swmateiou h ka8e epaggelmatikou tmhmatos 3exwrista.
4) Poio einai to pososto metoxwn pou kontrolarei o erasitexnhs;
5) Oi goumenopagwnides exoun thn pleiopshfia twn metoxwn ths PAE h tou sunolou twn metoxwn olou tou sullogou (auth einai sunexeia ths 3);
6) Me th poso 8a sumbhbazatwn oi goumenopagwnides (ean pragmatika exoun to 67% twn metoxwn) na mas adeiasoun th gwnia kai na er8ei ena sobaros epeixeirhmatias;
7) Poio einai to poso pou xrwstaei o PAOK kai se poious (oloi milane gia xreh alla kaneis den leei se poion kai posa, einai kairos autoi h typoi na dwsoun logariasmo sto lao. Pou xwris auton o PAOK den einai PAOK);

Opoios exei ths apanthseis as mas fwthsei kai emas pou zoume sto skotadi kai akolou8oume san ago8obiolides, futa kai probata pou eimaste.

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1) Poia h sxesh tou erasitexnh me PAE, KAE kai alla tmhmata;

me tin pae exei sxesi epaggelamtiki, noikiazei to gipedo kai to sima.
i kae einai ousiastika o AS PAOK.
ta alla tmimata einai antio zwi. se lew mono ena pragma.
stin pisina katw apo tin 5-6 einai dilwmena 1000 paidakia. den se bazw alla tosa pou einai se alla kolumbitiria.
1000paidia X 30 euro to mina X 6 mines (kai ligo bazw) einai 180K euro.
twra pws ginetai na einai oloi oi proponites aplirwtoi, egw den katalabainw.
epi xronia pername perpatita to prwtathlima stis gunaikes stin kolumbisi. oi petamenoi poulisane ti maxaira, ti sarakatsani kai alla 2-3 onomata pou eixame kai fetos meiname 4oi. gia na min plirwnoun kanenan. toso petamenoi einai.

2) Exw akousei oti o erasitexnhs einai o idiokthths ths Toumpas, poios einai o idiokthths tou Ghpedou basket;

o AS PAOK

3) Otan milame gia metoxes tou PAOK, milame gia to sunolo tou swmateiou h ka8e epaggelmatikou tmhmatos 3exwrista.

metoxes exei to podosfairo kai to basket. ksexwristes bebaia. ta alla tmimata einai erasitexnika kai dioikountai (opws kai ta gipeda) apo ton AS PAOK, tou opoiou i dioikisi ekselegei persu apo psifoforia metaksu 105 atomwn!

4) Poio einai to pososto metoxwn pou kontrolarei o erasitexnhs;

10% sto podosfairo, basi nomou ki auto den allazei me tipota. sto basket einai ousiastika oi idioi.

5) Oi goumenopagwnides exoun thn pleiopshfia twn metoxwn ths PAE h tou sunolou twn metoxwn olou tou sullogou (auth einai sunexeia ths 3);

exoun to 67% tou podosfairou, me option na to pane akoma parapanw. mia eugeniki prosfora tou AS PAOK kai tou aggelou anastasiadi.

6) Me th poso 8a sumbhbazatwn oi goumenopagwnides (ean pragmatika exoun to 67% twn metoxwn) na mas adeiasoun th gwnia kai na er8ei ena sobaros epeixeirhmatias;

o benizelos pou tous diorise mas eixe pei ksekathara pws den exoun lefta. dwsane 1M gia tis metoxes (stin eforia einai dilwmeni i agora gia 500K) kai 2M gia ta prwta eksoda. simantiki prosfora. twra bebaia pou exei to 67% tha se poulisei to paramuthi o goumenos oti ebale apo tis tsepi tou 8.5M euro. perimene kai tha gelasei ki o kathe pikramenos.
to exei pei mia dimosia o dikigoros tou o koumentakis, kentriko proswpo stin upothesi mpourmpoulia-skandalo me metoxes fouskes. tha pesei polu gelio.

7) Poio einai to poso pou xrwstaei o PAOK kai se poious (oloi milane gia xreh alla kaneis den leei se poion kai posa, einai kairos autoi h typoi na dwsoun logariasmo sto lao. Pou xwris auton o PAOK den einai PAOK);

kaneis den kserei. to sigouro einai pws 4 xronia apo tis xriseis bat pou ton bgalane katharo, einai anelegkta apo tin eforia.
me to 67% oti thes kaneis kai den dineis logariasmo kai se kanenan.

[pavlosk]

1) Poia h sxesh tou erasitexnh me PAE, KAE kai alla tmhmata;

 ta alla tmimata einai erasitexnika kai dioikountai (opws kai ta gipeda) apo ton AS PAOK, tou opoiou i dioikisi ekselegei persu apo psifoforia metaksu 105 atomwn!

Re sy kwsta, epeidh den kserw kai polla gia ton erasitexnh ekshghse mou se parakalw, mono 105 einai ta melh tou erasitexnh h mono 105 emfanisthkan sthn pshfoforia?
H mhpws exoun dikaiwma pshfou mono osoi exoun plhrwsei to ethsia valantio pou prepei?

pavlosk

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Re sy kwsta, epeidh den kserw kai polla gia ton erasitexnh ekshghse mou se parakalw, mono 105 einai ta melh tou erasitexnh h mono 105 emfanisthkan sthn pshfoforia?
H mhpws exoun dikaiwma pshfou mono osoi exoun plhrwsei to ethsia valantio pou prepei?

105 emfanistikan. dikaiwma psifou exoun ta taktika meli pou einai kai oikonomika taktopoimena. taktiko melos ginesai meta apo 1 xrono, apo ti mera pou tha grafteis.
basika an exeis dei ta katastixa tou AS tha frikareis. i kathe oikogeneia px Katsaris, exei grammeno olo to soi. paidia, gamprous, anipsia, tis files tis gunaikas pou paizoun mpirimpa sto Panorama. atoma PANTELWS asxeta me to Sullogo. apla autoi einai stand by gia na energopoithoun kai na psifisoun se periptwsi pou to oikodomima aisthanthei kinduno. toso apla.

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kai kati polu fresko. o alexopoulos -epitimos proedros twn suneleusewn tou AS PAOK kai o egklimatias o Kassimatis, anelaban ton PAulo Mela. Gemisan tis tsepes tous apo ton PAOK kai anelaban ton Paulo Mela. Autoi einai oi paragontes mas.

[PAOK-1965]

Re sy kwsta, epeidh den kserw kai polla gia ton erasitexnh ekshghse mou se parakalw, mono 105 einai ta melh tou erasitexnh h mono 105 emfanisthkan sthn pshfoforia?
H mhpws exoun dikaiwma pshfou mono osoi exoun plhrwsei to ethsia valantio pou prepei?

105 emfanistikan. dikaiwma psifou exoun ta taktika meli pou einai kai oikonomika taktopoimena. taktiko melos ginesai meta apo 1 xrono, apo ti mera pou tha grafteis.
basika an exeis dei ta katastixa tou AS tha frikareis. i kathe oikogeneia px Katsaris, exei grammeno olo to soi. paidia, gamprous, anipsia, tis files tis gunaikas pou paizoun mpirimpa sto Panorama. atoma PANTELWS asxeta me to Sullogo. apla autoi einai stand by gia na energopoithoun kai na psifisoun se periptwsi pou to oikodomima aisthanthei kinduno. toso apla.

Gate4/Kwsta upo8etw pws o Pavlosk se gnwriz

[PAOK-1965]

Re sy kwsta, epeidh den kserw kai polla gia ton erasitexnh ekshghse mou se parakalw, mono 105 einai ta melh tou erasitexnh h mono 105 emfanisthkan sthn pshfoforia?
H mhpws exoun dikaiwma pshfou mono osoi exoun plhrwsei to ethsia valantio pou prepei?

105 emfanistikan. dikaiwma psifou exoun ta taktika meli pou einai kai oikonomika taktopoimena. taktiko melos ginesai meta apo 1 xrono, apo ti mera pou tha grafteis.
basika an exeis dei ta katastixa tou AS tha frikareis. i kathe oikogeneia px Katsaris, exei grammeno olo to soi. paidia, gamprous, anipsia, tis files tis gunaikas pou paizoun mpirimpa sto Panorama. atoma PANTELWS asxeta me to Sullogo. apla autoi einai stand by gia na energopoithoun kai na psifisoun se periptwsi pou to oikodomima aisthanthei kinduno. toso apla.

Gate4 h lalutera Kwsta upo8etw pws o Pavlosk se gnwrizei proswpika gia na xrhsimopoiei to mikro sou onoma.
Telos pantwn to diko mou einai 8anashs.
Exw akoma merikes erwthseis. Ti enoeis otan les "ta taktika melh pou einai kai oikonomika taktopoihmena";
Plhrononte gia tis uphresies tous kai thn pshfo tous; Autoi pou kratoun ta diafora a3iwmata einai mis8wtoi; Arpazoun apo ta kerdoi tou AS PAOK;
Ta xreh pou proanaferame einai mono ths PAE h genika olo to swmateio einai bouthgmeno sta xreh;
An exeis apanthseis ri3e akoma ligo fws sto skotadi.

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1. taktika meli=auta pou kleisane ton 1 xrono ws dokima kai ta anagnwrizei i geniki suneleusi tou AS PAOK ws taktika. taktiko melos=dikaiwma psifou
2. oikonomika taktopoiimena meli=auta pou exoun plirwsei kanonika oles tis minaies sundromes tous ston AS PAOK
3. ta meli profanws kai den plirwnontai
4. gia ton an autoi pou diaxeirizontai ton AS PAOK einai kerdismenoi i xamenoi, ksanadiabase to paradeigma tin kolumbisis kai pes me esu ti nomizeis. episis o AS PAOK mporei na exei na futozwoun 15+ tmimata alla gia ola eisprattei epixorigiseis apo to upourgeio politismou kai ti GGA. kane mia bolta apo to gipedo kai rwta ta paidia sta diaofora tmimata na se poune.
5. o AS PAOK den exei xrei. H pae exei alla kaneis den kserei posa einai auta. o goumenos prin analabei eixe bgalei mia anakoinwsi kai elege "den eimai malakas na analabw 23M euro xrei". fetos bgike oti ta xrei einai kapou 7M euro. den bgainei akri. ta sigoura einai:
a) persu epaikse ekbiasmos me tin EEA gia na se kanei o benizelos oti ithele kai na se diorisei adiamarturita ti dioikisi pou se diorise. H dioikisi ekane arxika SHMANTIKO ERGO, alla apo tin wra pou katharise oles tis amarties twn proigoumenwn xronwn athwonontas to Mpatatoudi, i douleia brwmise asxima
b) 4 xronia xrisis stin pae, einai anelegkta apo tin eforia

[PAOK-1965]

Kwsta.

8a ekana mia bolta apo to ghpedo alla edw pou briskomai einai kapos makria.
Apo ta grafommena sou to sumperasma pou bgazw einai oti o AS PAOK einai enas typikos ellhnikos sunetairismos gematos fataoules.

Allo apo thn agaph gia thn omada 8a h8ela na 3erw ti sumferwn exei kapois na einai melos tou AS PAOK kai na plhrwnei "membership fees";
Einai h summetoxh twn paidiwn tou se diafora tmhmata, etsi apla gia thn gkabla ths agaphs gia ton a8lhtismo, summetoxh se kapoio a3iwma gia thn koutala;
Ypo8etw oti o AS PAOK einai enas a8lhtikos mh kerdoskopikos organismos.

Telos pantwn ti se rwtaw twra. Exw mesanuxta peri tou 8ematos an kai merika pragmata einai autonohta.

O nown nohto.

A8anath Ellas panta 8a kremomaste apo tous orxeis twn ligwn kleftaradwn, politikon kai mh pou o monos skopos tous einai h arpa kola. Dhladh fws sto telos tou tounel den uparxei.
Alhmono sthn  PAOKARA kai to laos ths.

[kostas4]

katarxhn na xekatharisw kati.pote den eipa oti tha einai 200 eurw apla mia ypothesi ekana,ena noumero telospantwn edwsa tyxaio.

twra kati allo.tha dinate eseis ta lefta sas osa kai an einai auta gia na ta diaxeirizetai o twrinos megalometoxos tis pae PAOK kai o kyrios kasimatis(ti epaggelma kanei??)?giati o goumenos dilwse oti apla tha meiwsei to pososto tou katw apo 51%.diladi an katalava kala o goumenos tha poulisei 30-40% apo to simerino tou meridio (as epivevaiwsei kapoios oti exei gyrw sto 80%) to opoio ousiastika pire tzampa kai tha vgalei extra CASH apo ton lao tou PAOK.
oute eurw se autous tous apatewnes.

[toy]

Βασικά για την διμηουργεία της εταιρίας λαϊκής βάσης η οποία δεν είναι νομικό πρόσωπο αλλά άτυπος τίτλος μιας κίνησης σε  ήδη υπάρχουσα α.ε. χρειάζεται να γίνουνε κινήσεις πολύ προσεκτικά και μελετημένα θα πρέπει να διμηουργηθεί θεσμικό πλαίσιο τέτοιο που να διασφαλίζει την επιτυχία αυτή της κίνησης και κατά τη γνώμη μου θα χρειασθεί και η συνδρομή σε αυτό της πολιτείας.   
Έπίσεις θα χρειασθεί να συγκεντρωθεί ένα αρκετά μεγάλο ποσό από τον κόσμο του ΠΑΟΚ το οποίο όσο και να μην μας αρέσει θα κταλήξει στις τσέπες του νυν μεγαλομετόχου.
Φυσικά στην κίνηση αυτή θα χρειασθεί ένα επιτελείο νομικών οικονομολόγων και διαφόρων άλλων ανθρώπων που θα διεκπεραιώσουν αυτή την υπόθεση ,κατ΄ έμε νομίζω ότι θα χρειασθεί και ένας ο οποίος θα ηγηθεί αυτής της προσπάθειας και θα χέρει εμπιστoσύνης από τον κόσμο του ΠΑΟΚ.
Η προσπάθεια θα είναι χρονοβόρα και επίπονη και η μεταβατική περίοδος που θα χρειασθεί για να πραγματοποιηθεί η μετάβαση απο τη μία μορφή διοικησης σε μία άλλη ίσως διαρκέσει πολύ. 
Όλα αυτά πρέπει να σχεδιασθούν απο ανθρώπους ικανούς και με τεχνογνωσία,νομίζω ότι το όλο ενχείρημα είναι κάτι παραπάνω από το πάμε για μέλη στον ερασιτέχνη,και θεωρώ ότι θα πρέπει να γίνει προσεκτικά και κατόπιν πολύς σκέψης.
Όλα τα πραπάνω είναι προσωπικές μου σκέψεις οι οποίες έχουν λογική βάση, ταξινομόντας συνοπτικά τις σκέψεις μου θεώρώ ότι όσο δύσκολο είναι να συσπείρώσεις τον κόσμο αλλό τόσο είναι και να βρείς τον άνθρωπο που θα ηγηθεί της προσπάθειας αλλά και τους ανθρώπους που θα την υλοποίησουν

[Matador]

Έπίσεις θα χρειασθεί να συγκεντρωθεί ένα αρκετά μεγάλο ποσό από τον κόσμο του ΠΑΟΚ το οποίο όσο και να μην μας αρέσει θα κταλήξει στις τσέπες του νυν μεγαλομετόχου.

Swstos o toy. Gia ayto kai nomizw oti h kinhsh 8a apotyxei me proedro ton xontro. kanenas den 8elei na ballei ta lefta toy kai na katalhksoyn sthn tseph tou hgoumenou.

[dask4]

o goumenos kai i pae ti leei gia ola ayta?

[bL-4-cK_religion]

o goumenos kai h pae den exei sxesh me ton erasitexnh.....alla isa isa re seis ton goumeno ton simferei giati....kai tha bgazei ta fragakia tou alla kai
tha exei thn dynatothta na meinei pio poli kairo xwris na ton kinigaei o kosmos kathws iparxei diafaneia...ama kanei kapoia strabh diwksimo afou oi apofaseis tou tha elegxontai apo to diohkhtiko simboulio!!!!kai meta tha egrinontai....
bebaia o goumenos den exei fraga gia auto etsi kai alliws na parei ton poulo!!!!en tw metaksi...i laikh bash tha isxysei meta apo enan ikanopoihtiko arithmo kapoiwn xiliadwn melwn kai meta apo enan xrono
elpizw na ta lew swsta....as me diorthwsei kapoios pou kserei kalitera an kanw lathos

[TOTTI]

emena re aderfia auto pou me problhmatizei sthn olh kinhsh,einai pros to paron h elleipsh hgeton,auton pou tha mpoun mprosta.
akousthke exthes oti tha pragmatopoiithoun periodeies sth b.ellada,k poly kala tha kanoun,gia thn epagripsnish ton ekei paoktshdon,thn enhmerosh tous gia thn prospatheia auth k thn eggrafh tous ston as paok.
me olo to sebasmo pros tous syndesmites,allios einai na kouei o allos sth beroia,sthn katerinh,sto kilkis,stis serres,sth xalkidikh,sthn kozanh,sthn ptolemaida k de symmazeuetai,apo kapoion ekprosopo ths thyras 4 k ths x,y thyras 4,gia olh auth thn istoria k thn anagkh na perasei o paok sta xeria tou kosmou tou,k allios einai na to akousei apo ton kouda,ton makedona,ton zourarh,ton toursounidh,ton autia,ton mhtsia k ton opoiodhpote allon eponymo paoktsh.allios tha ton peisei o eponymos.......
einai dedomeno oti xreiazetai douleia,alla prepei mexri thn arxh ths epomenhs agonistikhs periodou na exoun ginei arketes eggrafes....

    GERA PAIDIA,HTAN NA GINEI H ARXH.......

[bL-4-cK_religion]

swsto paidia auto me tis periodeies!!!!apla prepei oloi na energopoihthoume kai na kanoume kinhseis stis poleis tis opoies eimaste!!!!!
katanohto apo olous pisteuw
REEEEEEEEE
TERMA I BAREMARA OLOI DOULEIA TWRA GIATI TA KALA KOPEIS KTWNTAI!!!!!!
HTAN NA GINEI KAI TWRA DOULEIA MKE OPOION TROPO MPOROUME......
PARADEIGMA ME AFISES ME ANAKOINWSEIS STA TEI I AEI POU SPOUDAZOUME...OPOU FTANEI O NOUS....GIA TON PAOK PROKEITAI KAI IRTHE I WA MAS META TOUS PAOLIOUS NA SHKWSOUME EMEIS PLEON ME THN EPANASTASH AUTHN THN SHMAIA

[arwstos]

ego nomizo oti to megalo provlima-stixima tis
kinisis einai na enimerothei to sinolo tou kosmou
tou PAOK gia to ti simainei laiki vasi,ti tha
petixoume m'autin kai pos mporei na graftei
kapoios ston erasitexni.kai epeidi ta mme den
stirizoyn kai toso poli ti prospatheia prepei na
vroume kai allous tropous dimosiopoihsis tis
kinisis...

etsi eite apo ton erasitexni,eite apo tous
sindesmous, eite apo tous eponimous tou metopou
laikis vasis, eite apo emas tous idious prepei na
parthoun diafores protovoulies...

exoume kai leme:

- na prosegistoun kai alla "varia" onomata opos  o
koudas kai o zagorakis gia na simetexoun energa
stis diafores ekdiloseis pou tha ginoun.oso na nai
mporoun na epireasoyn poli kosmo me mia tous
dilosi.


- na ginoun ekdiloseis kai sto eksoteriko opou
pisteyw oti exoyme poli megali dinami.


- na topothetountai megala pano se kathe agona
podosfairou kai mpasket tou tipou:
"gine melos dose telos"
"oloi meloi ston a.s. paok" klp.


- na iparxoyn eidika stand ekso apo tin toympa
prin apo kathe agona opoy kapoios tha mporei na
graftei melos ston erasitexni.


- na moirastoun gia paradeigma ston agona me ton
vazelo 10.000 enimerotika filadia pou tha eksigoun
periliptika ti simainei laiki vasi kai pos grafesai
ston erasitexni ( de nomizo na xreiazetai parapano
apo 10 ethelontes kai 300-400 euro sinolika,diladi
mporoume na to kanoume xalara).


- na ginei mia ekdilosi opou tha graftoun meloi
diaforoi paiktes kai proponites basket kai
podosfairou (salpigidis,moula,prelevits klp.)


- na ginei mia megali sinaylia me
mitsia,makedona,mela (an de kano lathos kai oi 3
stirizoun tin kinisi) sto palataki gia paradeigma
opou tha iparxei kai ekei enimerosi...


- na ginei mia ekpobi stin tileorasi se stathmo megalis
 tilethasis (aytias-tsaroyxas) gia ti laiki vasi

[TOTTI]

magkes oi idees tou arrostou einai oles mia pros mia,oles gamates

   ADERFIA DOULEIA,PISTH K PROSPATHEIA XREIAZETAI

[PARVAS4]

Έτσι μπράβο, βλεπω κινητικότητα και πολύ γουστάρω. Με το που ανεβαίνω θεσ/νίκη, μέλος κι εγώ!

[fatal_invasion]

Gia na eksigoume,ta parakato pou tha po mporei na einai kai vlakeies,isos me xaraktirisete kapos,isos eimai ''ligos'' gia na milao gia ayton isos otidipote ALLO ,,,,,,,,, alla ta PARAKATO EINAI O.TI NIWTHW ton teleytaio kairo..


Pame loipon..mesa apo diigiseis sas,empiries sas kai diafora apospasmata taytisa ton ''manavi'' opos ton lete san ton simvolo tou laou tou PAOK.SAN ENAN IGETH .Legontas, oti otan ebaine mesa stin 4 oloi xeirokrotousan,,ipotheto pos eixe megalo kiros....Logika itan apodektos apo kathe PAOKTSH.!


Aytes tis krisimes stigmes gia tin istoria kai gia tin viosimotita tou PAOK pisteyo pos aytos prepei na erthei ..na stiriksei tin kinisei..Isos einai o idanikoteros gia na sas ksipnisei esas tous megaliterous kai gia na mas kathodigisei emas tous mikroterous (pou to mono pou kseroume na kanoume einai na pigenoume kafeteria me ta tsigara sto xeri,na paristanoume mages,,na asxoloumaste me ton ipologisti me kinita,kai me o.tidipote allo ektos apo ton PAOK) gia ena elpidoforo mellon..Ayton ton anthropo loipon mazi me olous tous ipoloipus gnostous PAOKTSIDES tous      k a l e i           i ISTORIA!

Giati den voithaei?giati den stirizei tin prospatheia?Giati den mas enonei?Ennoeitai pos den ta leo ayta vazontas iponies ,,alla giati re paidia?den mporo na to katalavo?exei kapoio provlima igeias mipos???