ΣΥΜΠΛΟΚΕΣ ΕΛΛΗΝΩΝ ΣΚΟΠΙΑΝΩΝ ΣΕ ΠΟΔΟΣΦΑΙΡΙΚΟ ΑΓΩΝΑ ΣΤΗΝ ΑΥΣΤΡΑΛΙΑ & ti einai to WOGS pou lene oi australoi

[bouros]

egine epanekdosi vivliou to opoio eixe ekdothei to 1925 kai skopo eixe na didaxei thn ''makedoniki'' glossa stis meionotites tis voreiou Ellados??!!!.......tha trelatho..voithiste me an kano lathos..diavaste to sxetiko site..

[georgeT]

e afou afto shmainei re file to fyrom sta ellhnika:P former yugoslavian republic of macedonia...kai pws legetai o katoikos ths fyrom. Fyr MACEDONIAN LEGETAI.ARGA kshpnhsate. basika den nomizw oti oi aplhtoi apoteloun kana sobaro kindyno gia thn xwra.egw tous euxaristw giati xarh se autous kai sto 8orybo pou dhmiourgh8hke egine o alexandros tainia. oso gia to kratidio.ellhniko einai.ellhnikh kentrikh trapeza exei ellhnika petrelea ellhnika supermarket. apla einai to menos enos laou pou ekdiwx8hke ston emfylio kai egine 8yma ekmetaleushs apo ton tito. sta tetoias sas. kaneis sobaros istorikos des asxoleitai istorika me thn makedonia.to makedoniko istorika exei teleiwsei gia thn paenpistimiakh koinothta.oudeis thn shmeron hmera mporei na xarakthristei apogonos makedonwn.oi arxaioi makedones yphrksan ws ellhniko fylo. kai shmera o oros makedonia yfistatai monon gewgrafika kai arxaiologika.

[bouros]

to xero ti simaini sta ellinika alla ego pote den tha onomaza auto to kratidio opos anomazetai tora alla skopia.giatiauto to onoma ematha na leo otan genithika kai auto tha leo os pou na pethano.esy exeis xaraktirisei pote auto to kratidio me tin torini tou onomasia?amfivalo.edo koitame pos na anatrpsoume ta dedomena(opoia mporoume diladi)kai tha onomazoume auto to kolokratos me tin onomasia Makedonia?ego pantos pote.sugnomi gia ton tono alla oso na nai....pisteuo na me katalavaineis
.kai poli sosta eipes oti oi arxaioi makedones ypirxan elliniko fylo.ta slavika fila irthan peripou 1000 xronia meta to thanato tou megalou Alexandrou ara den exoun to dikaioma na autoapokalountai Makedones giati sugxronos tithetai upo amfisvitisi i katagogi mou..!
oso gia tin tainia den to sxoliazo giati den ekana ton kopo na pao na thn do.....kai den xero an se arese o tropos pou parousiasan ton mega Alexandro.
kai teleuteo.sta panepistimia pou didasketai elliniki istoria pouthena den tha deis na lene oti oi makedones den einai ellines kai einai slavoi 'h oti yparxei makedoniki glossa kai tetoies malakies..kai se panepistimia tou exoterikou(pliroforiaka to leo auto)

[Melb4]

ποιος ο λογος για να γραφουμε στα φορουμς μεταξυ μας η μακεδονια ειναι ελληνικη;
υπαρχει προβλημα μεταξυ μας;;

πριν λιγες μερες παρουσιαστηκε το μακεδονικο αναγνωστικο
http://doncat.blogspot.com/2006/11/to-abecedar.html (ΤΟ BLOG ENOS.. ELLHNA)
στην ιδια μας την πολη απο "ελληνες" που δηλωνουν Μακεδονες κ Βουλγαροι both.

μονο ο Βελοπουλος εδειξε πλανα.
α ναι, ξεχασα. αυτος ειναι ονειροπαρμενος, βιβλιοεμπορος, εθνικιστης, φασιστας κ απατεωνας.

καληνυχτα σας

Bayern4 distihos uparhoun merikoi kai se auto to forum - oso apisteuto kai an sou fainetai - pou fonazoun tous skopianous 'makedones' kai den ehoun provlima me to onoma Makedonia gia to skato-kratidio ton skopion. Prota, prota prepei na kathariseis to diko sou spiti ...

[Melb4]

Einai polla meli apo to forum pou einai ligo pio poli ekneurismenoi(as to poume etsi)me autin tin katastasi....mipos siga siga na emfanizonte kai simaies tis makedonias ston nao???
Fetos distixos i eutuxos eipa na apexo oso mporo apo to gipedo(gia pollous logous)...kai den mporo na ferno tin simaia tis makedonias opos emfanizotan persi sto korner mprosta stin 4a!!!

PAOK einai kai MAKEDONIA!!!

Den prepei oute kan na sizitithei - tha itan poli oraia na vlepoume simaies tis Makedonias stin Toumba kai se opoio allo gipedo taxideuoun oi Paoktsides.

[Melb4]

e afou afto shmainei re file to fyrom sta ellhnika:P former yugoslavian republic of macedonia...kai pws legetai o katoikos ths fyrom. Fyr MACEDONIAN LEGETAI.ARGA kshpnhsate. basika den nomizw oti oi aplhtoi apoteloun kana sobaro kindyno gia thn xwra.egw tous euxaristw giati xarh se autous kai sto 8orybo pou dhmiourgh8hke egine o alexandros tainia. oso gia to kratidio.ellhniko einai.ellhnikh kentrikh trapeza exei ellhnika petrelea ellhnika supermarket. apla einai to menos enos laou pou ekdiwx8hke ston emfylio kai egine 8yma ekmetaleushs apo ton tito. sta tetoias sas. kaneis sobaros istorikos des asxoleitai istorika me thn makedonia.to makedoniko istorika exei teleiwsei gia thn paenpistimiakh koinothta.oudeis thn shmeron hmera mporei na xarakthristei apogonos makedonwn.oi arxaioi makedones yphrksan ws ellhniko fylo. kai shmera o oros makedonia yfistatai monon gewgrafika kai arxaiologika.

to oti einai aplitoi den simainei polla - kai oi kourdoi aplitoi einai alla olokliri tourkia ehoun anastatosi. Fisika kai den ehoun shesei me arhaia Makedonia - omos auto den elattonei katholou to misos tous gia ton Ellina. To antitheto malista - i elleipsi istorikis vaseos tous peismonei tous skopianous kai distihos halaronei ton Ellina. To oti i istoria einai mazi mas kanei ti propaganda kai ton anthellinismo tous akomi pio misito. As min epanapauomaste me tous skopianous - oi aplitoi den tha meinoun aplitoi gia panta.

[georgeT]

to xero ti simaini sta ellinika alla ego pote den tha onomaza auto to kratidio opos anomazetai tora alla skopia.giatiauto to onoma ematha na leo otan genithika kai auto tha leo os pou na pethano.esy exeis xaraktirisei pote auto to kratidio me tin torini tou onomasia?amfivalo.edo koitame pos na anatrpsoume ta dedomena(opoia mporoume diladi)kai tha onomazoume auto to kolokratos me tin onomasia Makedonia?ego pantos pote.sugnomi gia ton tono alla oso na nai....pisteuo na me katalavaineis
.kai poli sosta eipes oti oi arxaioi makedones ypirxan elliniko fylo.ta slavika fila irthan peripou 1000 xronia meta to thanato tou megalou Alexandrou ara den exoun to dikaioma na autoapokalountai Makedones giati sugxronos tithetai upo amfisvitisi i katagogi mou..!
oso gia tin tainia den to sxoliazo giati den ekana ton kopo na pao na thn do.....kai den xero an se arese o tropos pou parousiasan ton mega Alexandro.
kai teleuteo.sta panepistimia pou didasketai elliniki istoria pouthena den tha deis na lene oti oi makedones den einai ellines kai einai slavoi 'h oti yparxei makedoniki glossa kai tetoies malakies..kai se panepistimia tou exoterikou(pliroforiaka to leo auto)

kserw ti didasketai eidikotera sto ekswterko.kaneis den exei dikaiwma na 8ewrei ton eauto tou makedona oute apo thn meria tous oute apo thn meria mas.apla emeis exoum thn istorikh kai politistikh klhronomia twn makedonwn ws ellhnes me oti synepagetai auto.den kserw kata poso basei die8nwn syn8hkwn exoume to dikaiwma pleon na apagoreuoume se kapoion na autoxarakthris8ei.
gia mena to kratos tous bardaska den apotelei provlhma. skopia sigoura den to lene giati to ellhniko auto einai h prwteuousa autou tou kraidiou, to opoio exei kai alles poleis. to kratidio ths vardska einai sigouro oti exei hmeromhnia lhkshs kai einai akoma pio sigouro oti oloi autoi 8a r8oun metanastes sthn boreia ellada, apo thn opoia polloi katagontai. to misos pou niw8oun opws les, merikoi apo autous,kyriws osoi briskontai ektos synorwn tous einai to gnwsto genitsariko misos. den ftaine omws autoi pou h ellada tous aporipse kai tous ediwkse apo thn ellada, ftaiei h idia h ellada pou den tous afomiwse kai epeidh protimisan na ekklhsiazontai se ekklhsies ths boulgarikhs eksarxias tous esteile ekei pou tous esteile. me liga logia gia oti symbainei sthn 8rakh kai sthn boreia makedonia ftaiei to ba8ia 8rhskeuomeno kratos sou, pou allwtriwse ena rhto kai to ekane pas mh ellhnoor8odoksos xristianos barbaros, me synepeia oi mousoulmanoi ths 8rakhs eite einai a8igganoi eite pomakoi eite tourkomaneis kai oi ellhnoblaxoi kai oi entopioi ths perioxhs twn skopiwn egatalelhmenoi apo to ellhniko kratidio na ginoun vorra propagandas kai alles fores na niw8oun voulgaroi kai alles fores slavomakedones.
auth einai h politikh tou kratous,auta ta apotelesmata pernoume.kalws h kakws.
h tainia sthn opoa anaferesai einai an kai emporikh opote anagastika kapoia stoixeia alaksan kataplhktikh. dinei thn istorikh pragmatikothta peri ellhnikhs makedonias me ton pio aplo tropo kai to kanei auto gnwsto sta perata tou kosmou.
kai sthn prokeimenh periptwsh pali to gamwkratidio sou ftaiei, pou otan o oliver stone zhthse boh8eia apo to ellhniko kratos kai ton ko benizelo, gia thn tainia den mphkan kan ston kopo na tou apanthsoun.
to kratidio twn skopiwn einai ena plhrws eksarthmeno kratidio pleon apo to ellhniko se energeiakous se emporikous kai se 8emata ergasias. oi misoi apo autous olous douleuoun se ellhnikes epixeirhseis.oi ili8ioi akrodeksioi yparxoun pantou kai 8a yparxoun panta.

[Melb4]

kserw ti didasketai eidikotera sto ekswterko.kaneis den exei dikaiwma na 8ewrei ton eauto tou makedona oute apo thn meria tous oute apo thn meria mas.apla emeis exoum thn istorikh kai politistikh klhronomia twn makedonwn ws ellhnes me oti synepagetai auto.den kserw kata poso basei die8nwn syn8hkwn exoume to dikaiwma pleon na apagoreuoume se kapoion na autoxarakthris8ei.

ti malakies les; Ego os entopios Makedonas DEN exo to dikaioma na theoro ton eauto mou Makedona; Poios eisai esei re; Stin mana kai ton patera sou na ta les auta...

EGO EIMAI MAKEDONAS - kai opoios to amfisvitei GAMIETAI autos kai i oikogeneia tou...

[shaman4]

Geia xara,

Loipon, opws tha kserete, ta ksena mme otan anaferontai sta skopia lene: "MACEDONIA"
Oloi oi ksenoi xrisimopoioun autin tin orologia.

Ta apotelesmata tis skopianikis propagandas, exoun tromaktiki epitixia.
Tis proalles me rotousan apo pio meros tis elladas katagomai: otan eipa makedonia, mou apantisan: ara den eisai ellinas.
Mia gnosti mou, velgida alla ellinikis katagogis, pige se elliniko estiatorio me filous kai parigeile makenoniki salata.
Tis rwtisan giati uparxei makedoniki salata se elliniko estiatorio(!).

Telos, den sas mathainw tipota, i Istoria allazei analoga me to pws tin grafoun io istorikoi kai to pws tin antilavmanomaste.
Osoi pisteuete oti to na autoapokalountai autoi "Makenonia" den prepei na mas anisuxei koimaste ton upno tou dikaiou...!

[Athinaios--4]

Prota apola as ,as apantisei o George giati de mporoume emeis na apokaloumaste makedones??
Deuteron oi katoikoi ton Skopino den einai oloi ellines pou tous ediokse i Ellada alla yparxoun voulgaroi kai giougkoslavoi mesa. Kai dystyxos kai alvanoi.
Triton to onoma FYROM mporei san onoma na einai sosto giati perigrafei oti einai Giougkoslaviki xora ston GEOGRAFIKO topo tis Makedonias alla apo diplomatiki kai politiki apopsi mas xantakose. Giati poly apla oloi xrisimopoioun to ''makedonia''.
Tetarton file shaman i salata legetai ''makedonia'' epeidi exei polla frouta mesa diaforetika kai ennoei oti yparxoun diafores fyles ston geografiko topo tis Makedonias.
Tora gia ton prepei na mas anisyxei i oxi kai to an i istoria ksanagrafetai ego tha po oti NAI i istoria mporei na allaksei meso tis propagandas. Ksero oti polloi ksenoi theoroun tous slavous apogonoun tis arxaias Makedonias.
NAI prepei na mas anisyxeis pou auto to kratidio vrisketai sta voreia mas kai onomazetai ''makedonia''.
Alla eipame. Min fonazetai o neo-ellinas koimatai...

[shaman4]

Ne re athinaie, kserw.
Nomizw kai oi tourkoi, otan lene makedonia enoousan anomoiogenes.
To thema einai oti sindeeis to macedonia me tin ellada kai oi ksenoi se koitane me aporia, ekei exoume ftasei...

[Athinaios--4]

Symfono apolyta mazi sou. Edo einai to dystyxima gia tin elliniki politiki katastasi alla kai gia emas tous idious. Emeis eimaste autoi pou otan apofaszoume gia tin psifo mas ta ethnika themata ta exoume se poly piso thesi.
Emeis eimaste autoi pou pleon den antidroume se prokliseis ton geitonikon xoron. Exoume mia apoxaunosi i opoia proilthe apolyta fysiologika an skeftei kaneis oti ta oikonomika kai koinonika themata einai se proto plano (etsi pou mas katintisan) kai vevaia to lifestyle pou mas kanei na feromaste san amerikanakia. Einai poly vathytero to provlima kai vevaia kaneis mas den einai armodios.
To apotelesma omos einai fanero kai eimaste synenoxoi se auto

[georgeT]

kserw ti didasketai eidikotera sto ekswterko.kaneis den exei dikaiwma na 8ewrei ton eauto tou makedona oute apo thn meria tous oute apo thn meria mas.apla emeis exoum thn istorikh kai politistikh klhronomia twn makedonwn ws ellhnes me oti synepagetai auto.den kserw kata poso basei die8nwn syn8hkwn exoume to dikaiwma pleon na apagoreuoume se kapoion na autoxarakthris8ei.

ti malakies les; Ego os entopios Makedonas DEN exo to dikaioma na theoro ton eauto mou Makedona; Poios eisai esei re; Stin mana kai ton patera sou na ta les auta...

EGO EIMAI MAKEDONAS - kai opoios to amfisvitei GAMIETAI autos kai i oikogeneia tou...

katarxhn oute se xarakthrisa oute anafer8hka sthn mana sou kai ton patera sou.kata deuteron oso dikaiwma exeis esu meta apo 1800 xronia prosmetrhshma apo thn ellhnistikh periodo anamesa se auta alla 388 xronia tourkokratias allo toso exei kai o katoikos(salemenos twn skopiwn) pou epi o8wmanikhs autokratorias htan sthn idia eparxia me sena kai gennh8hke apo pappou pros pappou sthn perioxh ths makedonias. to an yparxei shmera ka8aros ellhnas,serbos,tourkos, italos einai mai allh syzhthsh.gia to de ghgenhs makedonias dikaiwma sou na 8ewreis ton eauto sou opws 8eleis. exeis to dikaiwma tou aytoxarakthrizen opws kai egw opws kai oloi. to idio dikaiwma omws exoun kai autoi pou ekdiwx8hkan apo dw ellhnes kai eginan twra makedones ekei.pantws sou dinw ta 8erma mou sygxarhthria pou brhkes olo to gennaiologiko sou dentro 1800 etwn, kai pistopoihses oti eisai ghgenhs makedonas.

[bouros]

ase re pou tha mas poun pos den exoume dikaioma na autoapokaloumaste Makedones.....tha trelathoume kiolas...an den autoapokaloumaste emeis Makedones pou genithikame kai megalosame stin Makedonia tote poioi prepei na legontai?kanenas den prokeitai na mou stereisei to dikaioma ths katagogis mou!kai gia mena otan i poltiki pavei na asxoleitai me themata pou apasxoloun emas kathautou, tote thn skutali  prepei na tin pernei o laos!emena den me noiazei re an  oi politikoi mas grafoun starxidia tous.emename peirazei otan auta ta poutanopaida slavikis katagogis autoapokalountai Makedones eno fyletika den einai gamo tin pisti mou!!to xanaleo pos kanenas den tha mou sterisei to dikaioma na leo apo pou eimai, kai akoma an merikoi nomizoun oti to paixnidi auto exei teliosei....starxidia mou tous grafo....ego edo pou eimai tha synexizo na mathaino ston kathe xeno, pou den xerei ti sumvainei me auto to thema, thn alithia, kati pou to kano apo tin proti stigmh pou irtha sto exoteriko..kai to pano mou tha kremao otan goustaro exo apo to parathiro mou kai oti i MAKEDONIA HTAN EINAI KAI THA EINAI E L L H N I KH tha leo!!!

kai epeidi exo arxisei na ekneurizomai me tis malakies pou akouo, na xerete oti autoi pou ''exoristikan'' opos merikoi lete tote apo tin Ellada den itan Ellines opos merikoi lene alla slavoi oi apoioi eixan egkatastahei ton Elladiko xoro kai tinan na apeilisoun tin Elliniki parousia autis tis perioxis.kai kala kanane giati oi tote slavoi pou katoikousan stin Makedonia den eixan stoxo thn afomoiosi ths Ellinikis glossas kai koultouras alla ton exellinismo me thn parodo tou xronou ton Ellinon ths Makedonias!pou an den eixan exoristei totte mporei simera h mish Makedonia na milouse slavika.!auto thelate mipos!? e oxi!den tha tous lupithoume kiolas pou exoristikan apo thn dikia mas gh pou thelan na tin kanoun kai dikia tous!! anoitoi!!mathete duo tria pragmata kai meta elate na mas didaxete istoria peri Makedonias pou to pezete kai kala pos den sumvainei tpt otan oi bastardoi skopianoi autoapokalountai Makedones!!(den apeuthinetai se olous auto vevaia) oraioi eiste...!!eytixos pou yparxoun kai kapoioi pou pisteuoun se kapoia idanika kai den stamatoun na elpizoun!!

[Athinaios--4]

Epeidi tha trelathoume entelos me tis vlakeies pou akougontai edo mesa as valoume ta pragmata sti thesi tous.
Oi arxaioi Makedones itan ELlines kai yparxoun apodeikseis giauto.
Oi Ellines tora einai PENTAKATHARA apogonoi ton arxaion ellinon kai yparxoun apodeikseis kai giauto. Yparxei i koini glossa kai polla alla. Yparxoun kai vivlia gia to thema.
Tora to an epi tourkokratias ypirxan kai gamoi metaksy ellinon kai othomanon de simainei oti oi ellines exasan tin katagogi tous.
Apo kei kai pera des pote irthan stin perioxi oi slavoi kai meta na les oti exoun dikaioma na apokaloun tous eautous tous makedones.
Telika i vlakeia einai apeiri ston kosmo...

[bouros]

ante re athinaie--4 pesta giati kapoioi edo mesa valthikan na mas trelanoun......!kai oson afora to pote irthan oi slavoi se autin tin perioxh to egrapsa kai extes malista.etsi re file.synexise na ta les.

[Athinaios--4]

Kai kati allo file GeorgeT. Grafeis oti ellinas einai opoios meterxetai tis ellinikis paideias . Symfono apolyta mazi sou. Mono pou epeidi kapoioi to exoun parermineusei auto( isos ki esy) tha ithela na toniso oti milaei gia elliniki PAIDEIA kai oxi gia elliniki EKPAIDEUSI!!
Auto simainei oti ellinas einai autos o opoios mathainei gia tin elliniki koultoura , paradosi ,glossa kai genika tin elliniki PAIDEIA. Giati kapoioi theoroun oti epeidi kapoios pige se elliniko sxoleio kai emathe se elliniko sxoleio mathimatika tote mporei na theorithei ellinas kai na sikosei kai tin elliniki simaia

[bouros]

oi arxaioi Makedones itan Ellines Athinee--4 kai kaneis den mporei na to amfisvitisei auto.opos eipes kai sosta eipes yparxoun apeira vivlia pou apodiknioun auto.alla den xriazetai kiolas na antrexei kapoios se auta apo thn stigmh pou h grafh kai h glossa itan Elliniki apo thn proti stigmh.kai o opoios exei paei se arxaia mnhmeia ths Makedonias tha dei pantou epigrafes sta Ellinika.
opote den tithetai kan thema suzitisis peri Ellinikothtas ton Makedonon.

[Athinaios--4]

Etsi akrivos file. Opos kai i symmetoxi ton Makedonon stous Olympiakous Agones.
Apla kapoioi anyparktoi slavoi kai xazoamerikanoi pou pote den eixan istoria lene vlakeies tou styl oti itan diaforetiko kratos. Den katalavainoun tin ennoia tis polis-kratos .Den katalavainoun oti oi ellines itan tote ei=na ethnos , ena genos.
Alla to provlima den einai oi xores xoris istoria. EInai oi anistoritoi ellines

[bouros]

''anistoritoi ellines''.kala to eipes. gia mena apo tis megaluteres pliges tou sugxronou ellina pou isos kata tin apopsi mou na einai kai h aitia gia polla alla....