Η μπουμπουλινα , ο Οδυσσεας Ανδρουτσος ηταν Ιλιριεις ? Αλβανοι ? Ελληνες ? & Στάση Κούρδων κατα το 1922

[arafat4]

o odyseas androytsos itan albanos kai malista moysoylmanos.afta.
kai den kanw plaka oyte eirwnevome...gia psaxte kai gia bouboulina kai alloys polloys...

[ksts]

Arvanitisa den itane i Bouboulina?

[petrovgr]

SHMAIES KAI PLAKAT GIA TON ARAFAT
xathikes arafatako

[Taseos]

re arafat...se parakalw..otan grafeis kati na KSEREIS ti les...albania thn epoxh tou odisea androtsou den ipirxe.h albania dimiourgi8ike meta ton pagosmio polemo.mi leme oti 8eloume.proigoumenh emfanish kratous kai e8nous me to onoma albania... htan ston kaukaso se xartes pou bre8ikan pou xronologountai sto 900 MX ti sxesh mporei na exei o hrwas pou epikalise me thn albania?afou tetio e8nos..dimiourgi8ike kai den proipirxe? KAI apo pou kai ws pou oi albanoi 8ewrountai mousoulmanoi?
a8eoi einai edw kai dekaeties.prin apo ligo xronia katereuse o kommounismos tou xotza..kai o eksa8liomenos laos epsakse kai brike stirigmA sto islam alla auto exei mia 12etia..tora esy pws sinedeses to 21...me albanies...kai me mousoulmanous albanous mono esy to ksereis aderfe.thn allh fora na eisai pio enhmeromenos:) take care

[arafat4]

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[ksts]

I moni sindesi Liriewn kai Alvanwn pou exw vrei
einai ena arxaio keimeno(thoukididis an den kanw lathos)
opou anaferetai to eksis gia tous eksathliwmenous
Ellines polemistes:Anevlizan diswdia san Lirieis!

Plaka kanw arafat alla mou to exei pei enas Alvanos
edw stin Italia afto peri katagwgis tous apo tous Liriis
simplirwnontas oti Ellines kai Alvanoi eimaste ta pio palia fila
sto xwro twn Valkaniwn.Giati den to pistevw?giati o idios
Alvanos mou eipe oti ta Giannena anikoune stin Alvania
alla mou simplirwse oti den thelei na malwnoume gia auta!

Kai anarwtiemai:Oi gianniwtes itane aristoi mixanikoi
kai ta panemorfa gefiria mesa sta katsavraxa pou xtisane
apaitousane maestria kai texni.Kai ta Gianniwtika topia einai
oloidia me auta pou iparxoune sti Voreia Ipeiro i' notia Alvania.
Apo tin alli oi Alvania itane i MONADIKI KOMMOUNISTIKI XWRA
POU DEN  EKANE KAMIA PROODO,oles oi ipoloipes toulaxiston
valkanikes-kommounistikes xwres kanane metro,eixane
aristes sigkoinwnies,sistimata ygeias ktl.Thelw na pw loipon
oti einai adinato na ipostirizoune autoi oti san files eixame
parallili anaptiksi kai na apaitoune kai tin Ipiro.

Pou simainei gia mena file mou oti afta peri Liriewn einai
apla mia prospatheia twn Alvanwn na apodeiksoune oti
apo kapou krataei i skoufia tous.


Oso gia to an polemisane kata twn Ellinwn asto kalitera:
Stin poliorkia tis Tripolitsas(nomizw,diorthwste me an kanw lathos)
TOURKIKA KAI ALVANIKA STRATEVMATA AMINONTAN ME NYXIA
KAI ME DONTIA kata twn Ellinwn tsoliadwn.
I poli epese giati oi Alvanoi eksipnoi kathws einai eidan oti
i amina tous den tha kratouse gia poli ki etsi zitisane na tous
afisoune na figoune.Oi Ellines tous iposxethikane prostasia
kai tous figadefsane,autoi afisane tous Tourkous monous
kai egine i megali sfagi twn Tourkwn stin Tripolitsa.

Episis ki o tiranos Ali Pasas Alvanos itane,ton eixane topothetisei oi Tourkoi arxigo tis perioxis.

Apo tin alli einai gegonos oti polloi agwnistes kai tou 21
kai argotera twn Makedonikwn agwnwn den kserane
katholou Ellinika.

[Taseos]

to ilirikon filon parousiazetai kai apo ellhnes arxaious sigrafeis kai apo ksenes piges ws ellhnikon. o hrodotos malista anaferei tous ilirious ws ellhnikon filon de barbarikon de. logw tou oti htan polemoxareis an8rwpoi. den iparxei auto pou les kts giati h albania einai ena e8nos kataskeuasmeno opws kai h elbetia.
allo ilirioi allo arvanites.kai gia tous arvanites pou8ena den anaferetai oti htan mi ellhniko filo. oi albanoi einai ena krama ellhnoitaliko me slabikes proektaseis kai moggolika stixia logw metatopishs. auta einai panepistimiaka arxeia kai oxi monon ellhnika. o mpotsarhs htan arvaniths alla oxi alvanos. giati oi arvanites den einai alvanoi. arvanites einai to notio tmhma ths boreiou hpeirou diladi h ellhnikh meionothta. den ipirxe oute san ennoia h albania oute tipota.min sigxeetai xronikes periodous pou exoun  mprosta tous diafores aiwnwn. albaniko e8nos dimiourgi8ike ston proto pagosmio polemo kai katopin tou edo8ike kai edafos. trizoun ta kokkala twn agwnistwn tou 21... gia tou xristou thn pisth thn agia kai ths patridos thn eleue8eria polemousan eite aresei se kapious eite oxi. o 8oukididhs sta istorika den mporouse na anaferetai se albanous dioti den ipirxan tote. h iliria opws kai h oloklhrh tote  xersonisos tou aimou(simerinh balkanikh) htan ellhnikh periferia eksou kai ta ellhnika onomata kai arxaia pou swzontai pantou( skopia monasthri sofia filipoupolh agioi saranta,xeimara klp) kala kala istoriko filo den einai oi boulgaroi sths opoias to kentriko mouseio ths mosxas apotiponei mia ali8ia...oti boulgariko filo den iparxei.slavos basilias katelave thn perioxh kai aixmalotise toys katikous pou ipirxan pou argotera apotelesan to neoboulgariko e8nos.auto den to lew egw..to leei h pinakida sto kentriko mouseio ths sofias mpenontas sthn eisodo h monadikh plaka pou sozetai sta boulgarika(glossa basizomenh sta slavika grafh poy vasizetai sthn ellhnikh)kai an skeftei kaneis oti to 1390 h ellhnikh periferia ari8moyse simfona me to panepistimio ths perugia ta 140 ekatomiria ellhnes apoklietai oti autoi na sfagiastikan...kai an baloume kai ton sintelesth genisewn kai thn a8lia oikonomikh katastash metepeita pou pantote simbalei sthn aukshsh twn gennisewn mia kai h diskolh kai ftoxh kai xoris morfosh koinwnia exei perissoteres geniseis kata tekmirio tote milame oti toulaxiston 80 ekatomiria kikloforoun ws ksenoi se geitonika krath.arkei na ipo8ei oti sthn italia oi xartes pou anagnorizoun oi italikes arxes apikonizoun 7.500 ellhnikes arxaies poleis me meso oro pli8ismou tis 10000 katikous.gi auto kai ta biblia ths istorias ths italias miloun gia to italiko filo oti einai krama romewn etrouskwn kai ellhnwn...simfona me thn istoria ths italias apo thn opoia mas mila o filos kai PAOKtsis ktsts pateras twn latinwn einai o odiseas. o pio gnostos kivernhths ton rwmaiwn htan o palatios ellhnikhs katagwghs opws oi italoi lene. kai h proteuousa ths italias legetai romh.poy sta arxaia ellhnika simenei dynamis.to latiniko alfabito proerxetai apo thn kriti simfona me tis ereunes tou panepistimioy ths louiziana...TORa na epistrepsw stous albanous poy exoun kanei tromero kako sthn ellada.kai osoi lene oti den ekanan kako mallon den gnorizoun oti oi ellhnes tis megaliteres sfages ths istorias tous tis exoun dextei apo toys boylgarous apo toys koyrdoys kai apo toys albanoys.kai meta apo toys tourkous kai tous aigiptious.ayta leei h die8nhs istoria gia thn ellada.eyxaristw gia thn anoxh sas sto makroskeles keimeno

[AK4]

Ola kala re file Taseo ala i Kourdi pou kolane ?
Ilikrina den to iha xanakousi...
Pantos bravo gia to oreo sou kimeno!

[DoctorBalendar]

Sti Mikrasia file AK4...

[Taseos]

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[AK4]

thx taseos,thx Doctor...
An ke m'areze i istoria edo piastika telios adiavastos  

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[gate4]

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eksairetiki i episimansi tou taseos.
oi kourdoi itan prwtostates stis sfages tou ellinismou, pou parepiptontws ksekinisan prin to 1922.
opws episi eixan kai summetoxi sti genoktonia twn armeniwn. o kemal eixe uposxethei stous kourdous aneksartito kratos, se periptwsi pou kataferne na diwksei tous ellines apo ponto, kwn/poli kai mikra asia.
bebaia sti sunexeia tous erikse kai oi kourdoi sunexizoun na paramenoun xwris kratos. to megalutero meros tis euthunis bebaiws barainei tous idious. ekatommuria kourdoi edw kai aiwnes ginontai mpalaki sta paixnidia megalwn kai mikroterwn dunamewn, ontas anikanoi na eksfalisoun mia stoixeiwdi ethniki enotita kai na apaitisoun to autonoito gi' autous, pou einai i sustasi aneksartitou kratous.
ta prosfata gegonota sto boreio irak opou ekatommuria kourdwn sunaspizontai pisw apo apolitistous polemarxous pou apo ti mia glufoun tous amerikanous, apo tin alli tous tourkous einai endeiktika tou epipedou tous.
kai opws episis episimainei swsta o taseos, stin ellada uparxei mia "agiopoiisi" twn kourdwn gia logous perissotero pseutoproodeutismou kai ligotero anthrwpistikous.
opote einai polu ligoi autoi pou pleon thumountai ta pragmatika gegonota tou 22 kai ton egklimatiko rolo twn kourdwn se baros tou ellinismou.
allwste ti na perimenei kaneis apo mia xwra pou exei sustisei koines epitropes me tous tourkous etsi wste me orizonta to 2006, ta sxolika biblia istorias se ellada kai tourkia na exoun koino to kommati pou anaferetai stis duo xwres meta to 1453.
diladi koini istoria gia ton politismeno kai gia ton apolitisto, koini istria gia tous anthrwpous kai ta ktini, koini istoria gia to thuma kai to thiti!!!
kalo loipon einai na exoume panta sto mualo mas to:
“Ï ×ñéóôéáíüò ðÜíôïôå óõ÷ùñíÜåé - ï ¸ëëçíáò ðïôÝ äå ëçóìïíåß”.
 

[gate4]

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[Δικέφαλος]

Goustarw afantasta paidia tetoies syzhthseis. Bravo se Taseo kai gate4. Kai ena proswpiko "eyxaristw". Etsi prepei.

Dikefalos

[ksts]

@Taseos

1)Den eipa oti oi arvanites einai alvanoi.Antithetws!
An rwtiseis arvaniti,sta mesogeia (koropi,paiania ktl)exei
pollous,ti gnwmi exei gia tous alvanous
tha kokkiniseis apo ta mpinelikia pou tha akouseis
akoma kai apo ilikiwmenous!

2)Oute thewrw tous lirieis progonous twn alvanwn
ennoeitai.

3)I glwssa pou milane oi alvanoi einai ena migma
latinomousoulmaniko,mia dialekto diladi.Den apoteloune
ksexwristi ontotita me istoria kai rizes.Kai i alvania
opws poli swsta les,politko dimiourgima einai kai
gennithike(i' kalitera tin gennisan)gia na apotelesei
mia monimi estia apostatheropoiisis kai entasis
stin perioxi konta se Servia kai Ellada.
4)Gia ton rwmaiko politismo,oi idioi oi italoi paradexontai
xwris provlima oti einai i ilistiki mono plevra tou arxaiou ellinikou politismou
(terastia epivlitika ktiria ktismena se arxaioellinikous rithmous,
giortes kai orgia xwris pnevmatiki simmetoxi kai askisi ktl)



Polla pragmata gia tin istoria den kserw distixws,
gi auto efxaristw kai egw ta paidia me tin seira mou
gia ta keimena tous kai tis paratiriseis tous
kai parakalw opoion exei gnwseis panw se tetoia themata
kai xrono na afierwsei na grafei 5 pragmatakia se auto to
topic.

[DoctorBalendar]

Ιλλυρίοι λέγονται ρε παιδιά...

[petrovgr]

Όποιος ενδιαφέρεται για βαλκανική ιστορία μπορεί να διαβάσει το βιβλίο του Mark Mazhauer ''Τα βαλκανια''.Είναι ιστορικό βιβλίο και στην Ελλάδα κυκλοφορεί από τις εκδόσεις Πατάκη καί έχει ήδη γνωρίσει 5 εκδόσεις.Έχει βραβευτεί με τα βραβεία καλύτερου ιστορικού βιβλίου Wolfson 2001 και το βραβείο Bentinck 2001.Στον τομέα της βαλκανικής ιστορίας είναι αυτή τη στιγμή από τα καλύτερα εγχειρίδια.

[ksts]

Ιλλυρίοι λέγονται ρε παιδιά...

Doctor mas evales ta gialia...

[Taseos]

mpenw ston peirasmo.... na kanw diafimisi ena "fasistiko" biblio pou kikloforise persy stis HPA ki fetos se olo ton kosmo ektos apo thn ellada gia eunohtous logous...
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[lemmy]

As protino ke ego ena biblio:I Agnosti Proistoria ton Ellinon,ekdosis Dion.Poli kalo.