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Δικέφαλος · « **on:** April 25, 2004, 03:18:46 »

H Kypros eipe "oxi" sto sxedio Anan shmera... Oi ellhnokyprioi pshfisan th mh-lysh pou proteine o ypoloipos planhths. Kalws h kakws den mporw na pw... Isws mporoun na boh8hsoun merikoi PAOKtshdes omws na katalabw kallitera...

To sxedio Anan sigoura den htan to idanikotero gia thn Ellhnokypriaki pleura ka8ws edine amesws stous tourkokyprious kai yposxontan polla alla meta apo 3 xronia stous ellhnokyprious. Apo thn allh pleura omws, pote ena "sxedio anan" den 8a einai to katallhlotero nomizw ka8ws einai ena sxedio diplomatias, dhmadh sxedio pou oloi kanoun ypoxwrhseis. To 8emata omws pou me problhmatisan pio poly ap'ola einai dyo:

1. sthn ellhnokypriakh pleura se pososto 1/3 kalobelpoun thn lysh gia DYO krath apopsi pou sthrizetai kyriws apo tis neares hlikies, kai

2. oti me to "oxi" ousiastika h Kypros mpainei "mish" sthn EE thn 1/5/2004 kai yparxei SOBAROS kindynos na epishmopoih8ei h dixotomish an oxi politika, sigoura texnokratika.

Me dedomeno oti polloi stous kyklous ths EE den 8eloun thn Tourkia melos ths EE kai 8eloun na baloun "geografiko orio" sta synora ths EE, yparxei sobaros kindynos auta ta "synora" na topo8eth8oun sthn megalonyso mesa...

Mporei na grafw arloumpes, den eimai kai eidikos tou 8ematos, alla pragmatika 8a h8ela tis gnwmes merikwn pou zoune to problhma ka8hmerina... To kostos tou "nai" htan dedomeno, mhpws omws to kostos tou "oxi" einai megalytero? Hdh sthn EE mesa arxisan na milane gia sthri3h stous Tourkokyprious kai genika h eikona pou paei na perasei einai oti h ellhnokyprioi den 8eloun lysh, enw oi tourkokyprioi einai oi "kaloi"...

Dikefalos

PS: Ean yparxoun kai merika links istoselidwn opou mporoume na diabasoume apopseis, please post them... euxaristw.

rosen_eye · « **Reply #1 on:** April 25, 2004, 13:40:22 »

Den kserw tipota gia to sxedio kai oute nomizw oti osoi eimaste eksw apo to xoro mporoume na exoume to dikaioma na ekfrazomaste an ekanan tos sosto i' oxi, xthes oi Kyprioi. Kai auto giati den kseroume ti exoun traviksei ola auta ta xronia. Kai tha simfonisw oti kaneis den mporei na einai apolita ikanopoiimenos apo sxedia tetoiou idous.

petrovgr · « **Reply #2 on:** April 25, 2004, 15:14:30 »

To oti xtes to vradi vgikan anthrwpoi apo tin ellinokypriaki pleyra na panhgyrisoun deixnei to poso asximi einai i katastasi.Na panhgyrisoun ti? Th mh lysi?

Vevaia ''apenanti'' to skiniko itan pragmatika asteio: Vgikan oloi na panhgyrisoun! OLOI! Oi men tou ''nai'' epeidh stin tourkokypriaki pleyra to nai pleiopsifise, kai oi de tou ''oxi'' epeidh den epeteyxthi telika lysi!

Pantws tis teleytaies meres ypirkse ena resital fanatismou kai parapliroforisis.Kykloforousan xiliades typoi me ekato aytokolita ''OXI'' kollimena sta mplouzakia tous, O allos kremouse sto fortigo tou panw tou ''OXI'' kai tetoia skinika...

Vevaia amfivallw an aytoi oi toso enthermoi ypostiriktes tis arnisis exoun kan diavasei to sxedio... S'ola ayta mono ena mporeis na apantiseis : Dikaiwma tous Dimokratia exoume kai opws synithizetai na leme ''fwni laou, orgi theou''. Kai as einai kai lathos.Giati mi mou peite oti o laos exei panta to swsto aisthitirio kai den mporei na pesei se loumpes... To xoume dei... ouk oliges fores.

Stin tileorasi eixe kykloforisei ena videaki plysis egkefalou pou epaize kathe 2 lepta me mia ellinokypria na vgainei sto fako kai na leei me misos : ''Odofragmata elegxou stin patrida mou? OXI!'' kai tha thela na moun apo mia gwnia na tis pw ''KALA RE TWRA DEN EXEIS ODOFRAGMATA ELEGXOU?''

Twra pou to thema exei liksei oristika, tha einai endiaferon na doume tin enallaktiki lysi olwn aytwn twn anthrwpwn pou sa donkixwtes vgainane stous dromous kai vgazane anarthres krayges.Tha thela na dw me poion tropo tha kataferoun na petyxoun tin lysi.Me poio magiko tropo tha epanaproseggisoun tous tourkokyprious, me poio magiko tropo tha spasoun to stratiwtiko katestimeno pou elegxei to pseydokratos, me poio magiko tropo tha ksanaparoun pisw sti dioikisi tous tis megalyteres poleis tis kyprou.

Den daimonopoiw katastaseis, apla mou ti spaei na odigeitai o laos se mia apofasi kai meta na apalassetai twn eythynwn tou.
Psifises oxi? Prepei na ksereis ti psifises

1) Thn edraiwsi tis dixotomisis (kai as leei twra o Papadopoulos oti kai kala einai mono gia to sxedio ayto, H diethnis koinotita den ta katalavainei ayta kai den prokeitai na ksanasxolithei sto kontino toulaxiston mellon)

2)Tin oikonomiki enisxysi twn tourkokypriwn apo ti diethni koinotita kai tin eyrwpi (ti stigmi pou ena apo ta vasika ''epixeirimata'' tou nai itan na min threfoume emeis tous tourkokyprious kai tous epoikous.Loipon kyrioi , PALI ESEIS tha tous threfete.ESEIS KAI MEIS.Mesa apo TOUS DIKOUS MAS eyrwpaikous porous.MONO POU DEN THA XOUME PIA LOGO STO ALLO MISO NISI)

3)Tis xamenes patrides kai tous prosfyges OPWS EXOUN

4)Thn synexisi tou ypsilou viotikou epipedou mesa se ena eyrwpaiko mellon tou misou nisiou, sti thesi tis enwmenis nisou kai kapoiwn (oxi katastrofikwn vevaia) oikonomikwn thysiwn

Thelete na doume ta pragmata realistika?

Dyo einai oi prooptikes

1)Na lythei to provlima tis Kyprou me vasei th Diethni Koinotita (molis aporifthike)

2)Na ginoun dyo kyriarxa krati (kati pou lynei POLLA POLLA PROVLIMATA ama to skefteite (idioktisia,ergasia,diamoni).

Mono an vlepate poioi Ellines politikoi katevikan gia na ypostiriksoun to ''oxi'' stin Kypro, katalavainete poso kontofthalmo kai mikropolitiko itan to teliko panhgyri.Papathemelis,Arsenis kai kati apisteytoi typoi pou pleon anikoun sto parelthon nomizoun oti petyxan Ethniki Niki.

Egw me ena pragma tha aganaktisw: An vgei ayrio o ekrposwpos tis Kypriakis Dimokratias stin eyrwpi kai klaigetai gia tin katoxi.Ayto deixnei mempsimoiria kai moirolatria.Deixnei volema se mia katastasi.Xreiazontai pragmatika gennaies apofaseis kai oxi palaiopolitika paixnidakia.

Aliente · « **Reply #3 on:** April 25, 2004, 15:37:19 »

Φίλε petrov διάβασα το πολύ ενδιαφέρον κείμενο σου και συυμφωνώ απόλυτα. Η πατριωτική επίλογη σε αυτό το δημοψήφισμα ήταν το ναι.Το ναι θα έδιωχνε τους 45.000 τούρκους στρατιώτες (εντάξει εκτός από 650 σιγά το πράγμα) το ναι θα έδιωχνε τους μισούς από τους 100.000 εποίκους και θα καθιστούσε αδύνατη κάθε προσπάθεια περαιτέρω εποικισμου από τους Τούρκους, το ναι θα μας έδινε πίσω το 9% του νησιού -2 πόλεις και 50 χωριά- χωρίς να χυθεί ούτε μαι σταγόνα ελληνικό αίμα, το ναι θα ξανάνοιγε τις 500 εκκλησίες μας που βρίσκονται στο βόρειο τμήμα και κινδυνεύουν να γίνουν μόνιμα πια τώρα σταύλοι, το ναι θα ένωνε το νησί και θα καθιστουσε τους οικονομικά ανώτερους κατά πολύ ελληνοκύπριους ουσιαστικά αφέντες σε όλο τον νησί.Τώρα???
"Πάλι με χρόνια με καιρούς πάλι δικά μας θα είναι...."
Το αποτέλεσμα του δημοψηφίσματος και τοολύ υψηλό ποσοστό του όχι έδειξε ότι οι ελληνοκύπριοι δεν απέρριψαν καποιες τυχόν άσχημες πλευρές του σχεδίου αλλά ότι δεν θέλουν την διζωνική δικοινοτική ομοσπονδία.ΚΑΙ ΕΙΝΑΙ ΑΠΟΛΥΤΟ ΔΙΚΑΙΩΜΑ ΤΟΥΣ. Αυτό όμως που δεν μπορούν να κάνουν είναι να λένε εδώ και 30 χρόνια ότι θέλουν αυτή την λύση και μόλις τους την φέρνουν να την αρνιούνται.Κακά τα ψέμματα είχαμε βολευτεί τόσα χρόνια με την αδιαλλαξία του Ντεκτάς, ξέραμε ότι θα απορρίψει αυτός κάθε σχέδιο επανένωσης και του επιρρίπταμε όλη την ευθύνη.Τώρα οι τόύρκοι τον έκαναν πέρα και την πατήσαμε, είμασταν απροετοίμαστοι για αυτό το ενδεχόμενο.
Τέλος πάντων, εύχομαι από καρδιάς να έχουν δίκαιο οι υποστηρικτές του όχι και να μας βγει σε καλό, αν και αμφιβάλλω πάρα πολύ....

AK4 · « **Reply #4 on:** April 25, 2004, 16:31:38 »

Oso pio epigramatika ginete paratheto ke ti diki mou apopsi:

Mono ke mono apo ton tropo pou i koloAmerikani ke ta skilakia tous prospathisan na EPIVALOUN to NAI, kata ti gnomi mou panta,poli sosta ta aderfia mas i Kiprii tous girisan to shedio sti mapa.
@ petrovgr
Aderfe opos panta,katathetis tin apopsi sou poli empiristatomena.Par'ol'afta,i "mi lisi" opos tin apokalis ine kat'eme protinomeni apo to na stisoume kolo sta memetia gia ali mia fora....Pano s' afto to epihirima pistevo pos vasistike ke i sintriptiki pliopsifia pou katapsifise afto to ektroma.
Stin teliki,opos les ki esi,o laos apofafise ke ta pola sholia peritevoun.

Wizard · « **Reply #5 on:** April 25, 2004, 17:18:23 »

Quote from: Δικέφαλος on April 25, 2004, 03:18:46

PS: Ean yparxoun kai merika links istoselidwn opou mporoume na diabasoume apopseis, please post them... euxaristw.

http://www.oxistosxedioanan.com/

edw yparxoun diafora arthra kai plhrofories gyrw apo to sxedio kai ta arnitika tou..

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Mono ke mono apo ton tropo pou i koloAmerikani ke ta skilakia tous prospathisan na EPIVALOUN to NAI, kata ti gnomi mou panta,poli sosta ta aderfia mas i Kiprii tous girisan to shedio sti mapa.

poly swsta to eipes file giati oloi autoi prospa8oun na e3ypiretisoun ta symferonta tous kai ypostirizan tin sigkekrimeni lisi oxi giati ithelan na mas voithisoun ousiastika..

@ petrovgr
symfwnw apolyta pws den eprepe na yparxoun panigirismoi opoiodipote ki an itan to apotelesma giati auta mono dixasmo mporoun na prokalesoun,itan mia istoriki apofasi kai oxi ekloges..

sevomai tis apopseis sou kai ton tropo pou ypostiri3es ta epixeirimata sou alla egw opws kai na exei den dexomai tous eisvoleis ston topo mou na metatrepontai se "sympatriwtes" mou kai na apoteloun synistwn kratidio tis omospondis kypriakis dimokratias kai me YPERAUXIMENES e3ousies se sxesi me tin plythismiaki analogia(82%-18%)

8a anexomoun na zisw me t/k diatirwntas fisika kai merikes epifila3eis logw twn gegonotwn tou parelthontos(p.x. tourkokypriaki antarsia kai ta gegonota tou '63) alla den anexomai na syzisw me TOURKOUS pou irthan ap'ta vathi tis anatolias kai pou i ypar3i tous paramono provlimata 8a dimiourgouse stin omali leitourgia tou kratous.

Epipleon den exw kamia empistosini se opoiodipote tourko na diatirisei tis arxes tis symfwnias kai na dei3ei kali thelisi gia lysi sto kypriako provlima,paraxwrisi edafwn ktl.Poly apla i tourkia vriskontas san dikaiologia mia pronoia tis simfwnias pou den 8a efarmozotan dh8en 8a mporouse na arni8i paraxwrisi edafwn i otidipote allo,afou niw8ei dinati 3erontas pws exei tous vromoamerikanous kai ta skylia tous na tin ypostirizoun..

Akoma 8a anafero kai kati allo poly simantiko,pistevo pws gnwrizeis tin ypo8esi tis titinas loizidou i opoia me prosfygi tis sto dikastirio anthrwpinwn dikaiwmaton petyxe tin prwti megali niki enantion tis tourkias kai tin anagase na anangnwrisi i idia tin eisvoli tis stin kypro kai tin katoxi alla kai na plirwsei ekatomyria ws apozimiwsi s'auti gia aposterisi tou dikaiwmatos apolausis tis periousias tis kai egkatastasis se auti.Symfwna loipon me to ektrwma pou o kyrios anan onomazei sxedio opoiadipote prsfygi sto dikastirio anthropinwn dikaiomatwn girw apo themata periousias APAGOREUETAI pleon.Auti einai i dimokratiki lisi pou zitoume?An telika merika apo ta edafi pou pronoei to sxedio na epistrafoun den do8oun piso pou 8a katafigoume gia voitheia?

Telos (exo polla na pw alla distyxws den exo xrono) tha ithela na anafertho kai ston k.anan sigkekrimena o opoios 3exnwntas tis apofaseis tou OHE pou katadikazoun tin eisvoli,tin katoxi,tin ypar3i katoxikwn strateumatwn sto nisi kai tosa alla erxete na mas dwsei ena sxedio pou stin ousia anairei oles sxedon tis apofaseis tou organismou tou opoiou einai o genikos grammmateas mono kai mono gia na e3ypireti8oun ta symferonta twn aggloamerikanotourkwn..

filika

petrovgr · « **Reply #6 on:** April 25, 2004, 21:50:05 »

Vevaiws kai yparxoun epixeirimata yper tou ''oxi'' apla pisteyw oti ta thetika yposkelizoun kata poly ta arnitika.Gnwrizame oloi apo tin arxi pws analoga me tin apofasi pou tha lifthei tha prokypsoun mpelades.

Fysika kai einai dikaiwma twn Ellinokypriwn na psifisoun oxi, alla den einai logiko na min exoume kammia tyxi an synexisoume tin yparxousa politiki?

To oxi einai pleon dedomeno,den milame se thewritiki vasi.

Exoume loipon twra mia Kypro eyrwpaiko kratos.Ti tha ginei apo dw kai pera.

Aderfe mou Wizard den nomizw pws einai toso poly oikonomiko to thema.Ksereis giati dikaiwthike i Titina Loizidou? Giati NOMIKA den mporei na anagnwristei yparksi voreiou kratous, giati NOMIKA h tourkia katexei eyrwpaiko edafos kai giati h idia i Titina Loizidou (pou an den kanw lathos einai kai i idia nomikos) etrekse to thema xronia oloklira.As poume oti oi xiliades ellinokyprioi prosfyges katafeygoun sta diethni dikastiria gia tis ypotheseis tous (pragma praktika psilo mi efarmosimo).Ante kai tous epidikasan kai kapoia posa.Einai ayto to zitoumeno? H mhpws na epanenwthei to nisi se mia koinotita eirinis kai eyimerias?
Gnwsto einai pws yparxoun para polloi tourkoi sto voreio tmima.Gia tin periptwsi twn tourkokypriwn ta pragmata einai entelws diaforetika.Prepei oloi na katalavoun pws tourkokyprios einai enas anthrwpos pou milaei elliniki dialekto kai apla einai mwamethanos.Yparxoun kai polloi tourkokyprioi pou katagontai apo ellinokyprious.Oi Tourkoi pou irthan einai pleon de facto katastasi.Diladi ante na fygoun kapoies xiliades.Oi ypoloipoi me diafora parathyrakia (polyetis paramoni,gamos)me opoiodipote sxedio kai na ginei tha meinoun.To thema einai an den mporoume na zisoume me aytous na min zitame apo kanenan Annan kai apo kanenan De Soto na ftiaxnei sxedia.Pragmatika enas anthrwpos me anoixto myalo mporei na to katalavei ayto to aplo pragma.Einai pio symferon kai gia mas na anagnwristei h Voreia Kypros ws kratos!

Giati fantasou file mou Wizard esy ws Ellinokyprios exeis doulepsei dyo kai treis douleies, apo 70% anergia to 74 tin exeis twra sto 0,3% (diladi pliris apasxolisi, kati to apisteyto), exeis ellinikous porous sto nisi pou sigoura voithane, kai den theleis na ta dwseis ston tourko i ton tourkokyprio.

Anagnwrise loipon to voreio meros afou den mporei na enopoiithei to nisi me kanena sxedio tis diethnous koinotitas, pane apenanti stous peinasmenous kai agorase OLH thn Voreia Kypro.Kai mi mou pei kanenas oti de ginontai ayta.Pas pairneis to spiti tou papou sou.Les ton tourko pou menei mesa pare deka ekatommyria kai kantina.Aytos me ta deka ekatommyria paei stin Agkyra kai ginetai epixeirimatias.Skefteite posi epirroi mporei na exoun oi ellinokyprioi sto voreio ayto kratidio otan tha elegxoun ousiastika tin oikonomia tou! Skefteite posa provlimata tha lythoun me to aplo ayto pragma.Ayto ektos apo tin Kypro tha voithisei KAI THN ELLADA.Giati xronia twra, dekaeties oloklires, to kypriako paramenei to yparithmon ena diplwmatiko zitima tis elladas.

Tis dyo enallaktikes lyseis tis eipame.An kapoios mporei na mou pei mia triti,egw tha xarw na tin akousw.Ena enopoieis to nisi me sxedio tis diethnous koinotitas, dyo to dixotomeis.An perimenoume pali pote tha mas vrethei i eykairia kai mexri tote na mempsimoiroume stous eyrwpaious etairous mas kai sti diethni koinotita, xamena tha pane ta xronia.

Twra oi Amerikanoi kai oi Aggloi ti na poune? Me ton OHE tha einai... O Amerikanos irthe na piasei kanena apo to giaka na tou pei psifise nai me to zori? Apla eipe, kyrioi egw goustarw to sxedio.An to psifisete tha sas dwsw kai lefta sa voitheia.Ayto edw.Ayto vasika itan kai to mono pou mporousan na kanoun.H apofash twn kypriwn itane.Ayto apo tin arxi to gnwrizan oloi.

I megali katastrofi tha einai apo dw kai pera na pigainoume stous eyrwpaious kai tous amerikanous (tous opoious emeis oi idioi ''grapsame'') kai na parakalame na ginei kai allo sxedio.Kai tote aytoi logika tha mas poune : ''ypirkse sxedio kai to katapsifisate''.Se mas tous idious prepei na ginei i anazitisi tou dieksodou.Kai den nomizw na psifise to 75% tou laou oxi giati den tous aresan kapoies parametroi...

Oson afora genika ti syzitisi,xairomai pou gia akomi mia fora ta paidia edw sto forum diatiroun tetoio epipedo, pou se kati alles faseis dystyxws ksefeygei asxima.Diladi to na exeis diaforetiki apopsi me enan allon de simainei oute to oti den ton ''pigaineis'' oute oti prepei na to pas proswpika.Giati se teliki analysi etsi den mporeis na vgaleis oute ena symperasma

Apollon_L1massol · « **Reply #7 on:** April 25, 2004, 22:13:32 »

Polu swsta ta eipe o wizard. Me to OXI pou brwnofwna3an oi kuprioi perasan to munima oti 8eloun lisi alla oxi lisi me to sugkekrimeno sxedio. Me ena NAI dineis to dikaiwma monomerous epembasis tis tourkias. Me ena NAI katargite i e8niki froura kai i xwra menei 3egumnwmeni se periptwsi eisbolis twn tourkwn. Akoma kai na pernouse to NAI oi prosfuges 8a metrsousan polla xronia mexri kai an 8a epernan apozimiwseis gia tis periousies tous. E3allou pige kaneis na dei tin katastasi sta katexomena? Pliris xaos. O kosmos sta katexomena exei perameinei sto 74'. Egw san kuprios den dexomai na upobibastw gia na e3iswsw kapoion pou den exei ena trapezi na faei kai zei katw apo a8lies sun8ikes. Mesa stin kardia mou uparxei akoma to ''ellas-kupros-enwsi''. Auto mou to sterisan kai egw kaloume na zisw mazi tous. Na fugoun apo ta sxoleia, apo tis ekdiloseis, apo ta spitia tou ka8enou tin elliniki simaia kai ton e8nikos umno. Na min giortazw tis 25 tou Marti i tin 1 Apriliou kai na giortazw ton moame8. POTE. Nai stin lisi oxi sto sugkekrimeno sxedio.

Ena pio antikeimeniko link apo auto tou wizard einai to http://www.typos.com.cy

petrovgr · « **Reply #8 on:** April 25, 2004, 22:33:25 »

De symfwneis loipon file mou Apollon oti protimoteri einai i dixotomisi, etsi wste na apofasisei pragmatika o kypriakos laos ti thelei na kanei? Afou einai tous tourkous pou de thelete.Poios o logos na maxomaste diplwmatika gia na zisoun mazi ellines k tourkoi me to ginati? (ypopsin egw pisteyw oti ginetai)

Na apofasisoun oi idioi oi kyprioi ti theloun na kanoun... Symperilamvanomenis tis enwsis me tin Ellada...

As tethei ena tetoio dimopsifisma dimokratia einai...

Apollon_L1massol · « **Reply #9 on:** April 25, 2004, 23:03:22 »

Egw proswpika an kai den mou aresei lew autoi tin zwi tous emeis tin diki mas. Emeis apo edw autoi apo ekei kai stin kardia mou 8a uparxoun panta oi stixoi ''i misi mou i patrida exei moirastei sta duo''. Giati na sunomilw me ton kataktiti? Gia na parw auto pou mou klepsan? Esu file petrovgr 8a afines tin zwi sou, tin douleia sou, tous filous sou gia na pas na ziseis sto spiti sou sta katexomena pou einai misogkremismeno? Egw pantws oxi. To suntriptiko OXI pou akoustike apo tous neous den sou leei kati? Kala oi megaluteroi ezisan tous tk alla oi neoi pou den tous ezisan pws mporoun na simbibastoun me tin idea oti 8a exeis geitona auton pou tosa xronia sou ma8an na misas. Exoume megalwsei me tin idea oti to miso mas nisi einai katexwmeno. Akoume istories gia tin Ammoxwsto, tin Keruneia alla pote den exoume paei. Pws mporw na agapisw kati pou den exw dei. Sto mellon amfiballw an oi epomenes genies asxolountai gia to kupriako afou pes oti emeis exoume tous goneis mas na mas lene gia auta ta meri, ta paidia mas poious 8a exoun afou oute emeis ta zisame.

Wizard · « **Reply #10 on:** April 25, 2004, 23:50:39 »

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Aderfe mou Wizard den nomizw pws einai toso poly oikonomiko to thema.Ksereis giati dikaiwthike i Titina Loizidou? Giati NOMIKA den mporei na anagnwristei yparksi voreiou kratous, giati NOMIKA h tourkia katexei eyrwpaiko edafos kai giati h idia i Titina Loizidou (pou an den kanw lathos einai kai i idia nomikos) etrekse to thema xronia oloklira.As poume oti oi xiliades ellinokyprioi prosfyges katafeygoun sta diethni dikastiria gia tis ypotheseis tous (pragma praktika psilo mi efarmosimo).Ante kai tous epidikasan kai kapoia posa.Einai ayto to zitoumeno? H mhpws na epanenwthei to nisi se mia koinotita eirinis kai eyimerias?

Fusika kai to zitoumeno den einai i apwzimiwsi,auto einai to teleutaio.To simantikotero einai auta pou esi aneferes ws tous logous pou kerdise tin ypo8esi i titina loizidou i mi anagnwrisi twn katexomenwn kai tis eisvolis!Oloi mas theloume tin epanenwsi se mia koinotita eirinis kai eyimerias alla pistevo pws me to sigkekrimeno sxedio den tha itan etsi ta pragmata!

Gia tous epoikous,an den apoxwrisei kai o teleutaios den mporoume na milame gia dikaih lisy.Xero pws auto pou leo einai simfwna me ta simerina dedomena anefikto alla pistevo pws akoma kai an apoxorisei ena meros tous,lamvanontas ipopsin tous rithmous me tous opoious autoi pollaplasiazontai enw emeis antimetwpizoume dimografiko provlima,se merikes dekaeties 8a ginoume emeis i meionotita sto nisi.Isws na akougete san senario epistimonikis fantasias alla sto myalo mou fainete apolyta logiko.Epiros8eta,efoson exoun to dikaiwma na anaparagontai auto den tha 8ewri8ei prospa8eia alloiwsis tou dimografikou xaraktira tou nhsiou.Den tha mporousa akomh na dianoithw pws 8a sizousa me tous anthrwpous pou to '96 skotwsan tous isaak kai solwmou,sto katw katw osi kali thelisi kai na dei3oume emeis sto 8ema auto yparxei ena megalo meros twn epoikwn pou den thelei oute zwgrafisto na dei E/K.

Pame sto kefalaio T/K,eipa kai prin pws autous 8a tous anexto kai stadiaka to pi8anotero einai na katafero na sizisw mazi tous.mia mikri diorthosi s'auta pou eipes prin 8a i8ela na kanw giati ap'oti 3ero den milane oloi tous tin ellhiniki dialekto,iparxi mia megali merida tous (oi neoteroi) pou milane mono tourkika.

Pragmatika to senario sou me provlimatise,akougete poly eukolo gia na einai alithino.Isws kai na exeis dikaio,i aporia omws pou dimiourgeitai einai pws oi E/K tha eixan tous oikonomikous porous na "agorasoun pisw" tin kypro afou 8a eixan na plirwsoun to 90% tou kostous tis lysis pou anerxotan se polla disekatomyria lires? (min mou peis twra gia dwrites giati eidame ti egine kai sto parelthon me tis yposxeseis pou edwsan p.x. yiougoslavia,palaistini..)

Twra gia to mellon,kaneis den mporei na 3erei.Auto einai to koino anamesa sto OXI kai to NAI,to oti dld to mellon kai stis 2 periptwseis einai avevaio.An legame NAI ypoti8ete pws to mellon tha itan sigouro giati 3erame ti 8a akolou8ouse,alla den to pistevo auto giati se tetoia 8emata kai otan exeis na kaneis me tin tourkia tpt den einai sigouro kai den mporeis na tous empistevesai!Aisiodo3oume pws kai mesw tis E.E. 8a mas dw8oun kalyteres eukairies gia lysi pio dikaies kai pio dimokratikes.Proswpika protimw na zw me auti tin elpida para na symvivastw me kati pou thewro adiko!

Telos file petrov 8a sou kanw mia erotisi pou me provlimatise poly,se periptwsi pou legame NAI kai i kyvernisi stin tourkia anatrepotan me pra3ikopima apo fanatikous mousoulmanous ethnikistes,pragma katholou api8ano,pisteveis pws auto den tha epireaze tin kypro dedomenou pws i tourkia tha eixe monomeres dikaiwma epemvasis me to sxedio anan?Den lew pws aparaitita i tourkia 8a epite8otan stin kypro(me tin katallili aformi vevaia) alla 8a ithela kai tin diki sou apopsi girw apo to 8ema..

Panta filika

petrovgr · « **Reply #11 on:** April 26, 2004, 01:03:20 »

Katarxin praksikopima sto praksikopima de ginetai.H Toyrkia hdh exei xounta kati analogo pou ypirxe stin ellada meta to ''dimopsifisma'' pou eixe valei i idia h xounta gia ton an theloume ''dimokratia''.Tote loipon ypirxe mia pseytokyvernisi pou logodotouse sto stratiwtiko katestimeno.
Aplousteymena isxyei to idio stin tourkia simera, mono pou yparxei enas pio eleytheros koinovouleytikos mandyas.Ypo tin idia apopsi eprepe kai stin Ellada na kopsoume tis diplwmatikes gefyres i tin eyrwpaiki prooptiki tis tourkias me to fovo kapoias taraxis i epemvasis.Omws to thema einai to kritirio twn apofasewn mas na einai anepireasto apo ypothetika senaria.

Twra ayto pou sou eipa gia tis agores gis, den to elega gia to sxedio annan, alla gia ta dyo xwrista krati.Diladi na eisai esy opws eisai simera, alla me mia typiki anagnwrisi tou pseydokratous na mporeis na pas na agoraseis gi stin apenanti meria.Ekei tha fanei to poso prokopse o enas laos kai poso o allos.

Oson afora to filaraki ton Apollon, an to parei o kathenas proswpika kani tin epilogi tou.Pantws aderfe mou o Ellinas einai peismatariki ypothesi.An rwtas emena, eimai tetartis genias prosfygas.An mou dinontan ta exeggya oti tha zisw stin gi twn progonwn mou asfalis, nai tha pigaina.Kai as hmoun ypo tourkiki dioikisi.Apla den mporw na zisw se enan topo opou kyriarxei to parakratos, opou einai xounta kai apo stigmi se stigmi fovamai an tha rthoun parakratikoi na me ekfovisoun i na me katharisoun.Twra o allos mporei na pei ''nai eimai prosfygas, alla exw megalwsei allou, kai ekei tha meinw''.Apopsi tou kathenos

chris · « **Reply #12 on:** April 30, 2004, 14:50:32 »

Quote from: Wizard on April 25, 2004, 23:50:39

Aisiodo3oume pws kai mesw tis E.E. 8a mas dw8oun kalyteres eukairies gia lysi pio dikaies kai pio dimokratikes.Proswpika protimw na zw me auti tin elpida para na symvivastw me kati pou thewro adiko!

symfwnw k as eimai "elladiths".afto pou eipes EINAI K PREPEI NA EINAI STASH ZWHS :hb:

Δικέφαλος · « **Reply #13 on:** May 01, 2004, 02:04:09 »

01/05/2004
ΚΑΛΩΣ ΗΡΘΑΤΕ ΣΤΗΝ ΕΝΩΣΗ ΑΔΕΡΦΙΑ.

:b&w: :hb: :05:

:b&w:

jorge · « **Reply #14 on:** May 01, 2004, 07:49:00 »

Σας ευχαριστουμε αδελφια για οτι κάνατε στην Ελλάδα για την επιτευξη της ενταξης, μεσα απο την οποια θα δωθει και λυση στο προβλημα της Κυπρου, το προβλημα ΕΙΣΒΟΛΗΣ και ΚΑΤΟΧΗΣ απο την Τουρκια. Ενα προβλημα που χρηζει ουσιαστικης επιλυσης χωρις αστείες παραχωρήσεις, υποχωρήσεις και "ιστορικούς" συμβιβασμους. Ενα προβλημα που θα πρεπει να λυθει ωστε να εξασφαλιζει ολους τους κατοίκους του νησιου χωρίς να εξευτελιζει την πλειοψηφια και να εξασφαλιζει την μειοψηφια.

Περισσοτερα δεν θα πω γιατι με καλυψε το 75.8% του δημοψηφισματος.

ksts · « **Reply #15 on:** May 01, 2004, 14:18:49 »

Diavazw simera ston POLITI oti oi Tourkoi
einai apogoitevmenoi simera giati perimenane
na exei sinepeies i Kipros apo to oxi.
Xe xe...
kalo dromo magkes...
Pros Elladites :Diavazete Kypriakes efimerides,
kalitero epipedo mou fainetai na exoune
apo tis dikes mas.

ksts · « **Reply #16 on:** May 01, 2004, 14:19:20 »

to gelaki

den kserw pws vgike ekei,sorry.

apaoki13 · « **Reply #17 on:** May 01, 2004, 16:17:02 »

Gi ayto mhn perneis orko. Idiws gia thn sygkekrimenh efhmerida pou aneferes. Ka8' olh thn periodo prin to dhmopshfisma to mono pou den ekane gia na mas peisei gia to nai einai na mas pei oti an psifisoume oxi 8a mpei h E.E. sta spitia mas kai 8a mas skotwsei enan enan.

edw to gelaki paei ganti

giwrgos4 · « **Reply #18 on:** May 07, 2004, 19:47:37 »

na po k go tin tapini m gnomi...ego ime paralimnitis...alla elipa ts meres t dimoyifismatos...nai i oxi?...ego k sena mina na tan t dimoyifisma den 8a apofasiza....ipir3e parapliroforisi..polles m...kies....k kanenas den bgike na e3igisi me kala tropo ta kala k ta 8etika ts endexomenis lisis...oloi mallonan k itan ka8etoi...prosopiki m apoyi?..dixotomisi edo k tora...giati oxi....giati na agxonome giauto to 8ema pleon afou oloi oi politikoi(malakes , diloi , egoistes..ektos apo kapies e3eresis) kitazan mono to diko ts simferon...so to mono p xo na po...PAOK 8RISKIA GAMIETE I TOURKIA

petrovgr · « **Reply #19 on:** May 07, 2004, 22:30:52 »

Kalws irthes sto forum file mou.Vasika ayto pou prepei na ksakatharisoume einai oti eksw apo to xoro den prepei na leme tragoudia! Giorgo prin erthw stin Kypro eixa mia entelws diaforetiki apopsi gia to ti simainei Kypros ws katastasi, ti simainei Tourkokprios,k polla polla alla.Ayto einai fysika apo tin eikona pou mas pernane ta mesa enimerwsis.Pou einai se poly megalo pososto lathos.Ma einai anwfelo na prospathoume gia kati to opoio o laos den prokeitai na psifisei.Emeis legame tosa xronia gia tin dizoniki dikoinotiki omospondia kai otan irthe i wra na psifistei tous tripsane sto prosopo ena pososto anw tou 75%, pragma pou den einai na peis oti allazei apo tin mia mera stin alli, einai athroisma antilipsewn.Allos psifise oxi giati den thelei na exei epafi me tourko, allos psifise oxi giati den dinontan safeis eggyiseis, allos gia diaforetiko logo, ta kseris ayta kalytera apo mena

Apla an deis posa themata lynontai me ta dyo xwrista krati ta opoia simera thewroume ''alyta'', pisteyw oti aksizei ton kopo na anoiksoun merika aytia kai se apopseis pou simera mporei na fainontai ''prodotikes'' i ''akraies''.Ti na peis ston Kyprio gia ti dixotomisi? Tosa xronia sto kefali tou tin exei kai malista epeidh den einai episimi kataktisi alla ''katoxi'', den mporei oute na agorasei gh kai mexri prin apo ligo kairo oute kan na paei! Na ton poume emeis pou eimaste se tetoia apostasi apo ta gegonota ayton prodoti? San tragoudi eksw apo to xoro mou akougetai

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