OKT 2004 Όχι πάλι το ίδιο λάθος - κρτική στο άρθρο για Κωστίκο Αναστασιάδη

[alessandro4]

Katarxas tha ithela na xairetiso ola ta aderfia mas, me tin eykaria tis protis moy paroysias sto forum mas.
me poly prosoxi diabasa to arthro toy dikefaloy me ton omonymo titlo poy xrisimopoisa sto neo thema, kai boro na po pos pragmatika entyposiastika apo to epipedo ton theseon toy (kai den moy periseyoyn koplimenta) an kai gia na kano exarxis dedomeni  kai tin dikia moy apopsi den symfono mazi sot thema toy proin proponiti mas. 
Ostoso kapoies apo tis idees toy sigoyra apoteloyn gonimes skepseis gia mena, giati EPITELOYS blepo mia apopsi poy apofeygei tis krayges kai ta anthemata ston teos proponiti mas, alla stirizei tin apopsi toy me mia seira logikon epixeirimaton. 
diafonontas loipon se merika simeia skeftika oti tha mporoysa na antalaxo tis apopseis mas eite meso toy e-mail ,eite meso toy forum. Nomizo loipon pos se aytin tin fasi tha itan omorfo na dosoyme oloi tis apopseis mas edo, SE AYTON TON TONO,  irema, nifalia, me epixeirimata APOFEYGONTAS TIS AKROTITES KAI TOYS XARAKTIRISMOYS giati poly apla den exoyme  na xorisoyme tipota ,ma tipota. o DIXASMOS DEN MAS TAIRIAZEI.

etsi loipon apo oso katalabaino o filos dikefalos, synopsizontas tin apopsi toy sxetika me ton teos proponiti mas, proxorise se mia analysi toy fainomenoy anastasiadi pisteyontas pos syspirose ton kosmo gyro toy ola ayta ta xronia me to na dinei ston kosmo toy paok ayta poy ligo i poly ithele na akoysei: PAOK, TERASTIA OMADA, ME TERASTIO LAO , pame na ginoyme megaloi. (file an kano lathos diorthose me).
kai edo thelo na doso tin dikia moy diastasi . Pragmati exeis dikio, ta edose ola ayta, alla me tin diafora oti TA PISTEYE KIOLAS, me tin diafora OTI TA EPRATE KIOLAS. Me tin diafora oti pote den moy fanike emena (ektos kai an tiflonome apo to pathos moy!) na glyfei ton kosmo ,kai na poylaei paoktsidiliki. Antitheta opos kai o dikefalos leei polles fores ekane apisteyti kritiki ston kosmo , XASTOYKIZONTAS tin DIMOFILIA TOY. Kai malista se periptoseis opos i perifimes diloseis gia tin nootropia tis athlitikis thessalonikis, kai  meta ton agona PAOK-PAO 4-1 klp O KOSMOS TON ANAGNORISE.

NAI EXEI APOLYTO DIKIO , otan milaei oti o anastasiadis mas edose ayto poy thelame na akoysoyme.
ALLA I OYSIA EINAI OTI O KOSMOS EBLEPE KAI TO  ERGO TOY KAI TO SYNEKRINE ,KAI EBLEPE KAI TAYTISI LOGON KAI PRAXEON. kai gia ayto tosos kosmos pinei nero sto onoma toy. GIA AYTO TOSOS KOSMOS EINAI SYNTETRIMENOS META TIN APOLYSI , GIATI POLY APLA EGGYONTAN ENA ORAMA POY POTE KAI KANENAS ALLOS STA 10 XRONIA POY PARAKOLOYTHO TIN MEGALI AYTI OMADA DEN TO EDOSE.
posa aderfia exete akoysei na milane gia ayto to orama (poy xathike;) , mipos toys ebalan ta mesa tyo kyrioy anstasiadi?  Kai sto kato kato re paidia den xero ENAN aderfo mas poy na min toy katalogizei tis eythines toy gia to xekinima aytis tis xronias. Posoi omos anagnorizoyne to ergo poy eixe kai elege (kai opos simeionei o dikefalos oloi thelame na doyme) an tha eixe kai se ayta ta xronia. Poios allos ston PAOK exei ayto to dikaioma? Poios exei aytin tin terastia anoxi stin proti terastia apotyxia toy? Einai tyxaio? Me to paoktsidiliki toy to kerdise re paidia? .   

synopsizontas loipon pisteyo pos ontos o KOSMOS empneystike apo ton kosmo  alla oxi apo ayto poy AKOYGE alla apo ayto poy EBLEPE!

kai ena parapono re aderfia se tin meiose tin omada? se tin tin katestrepse? mipos apla edose ston PAOK para polla? se ti itan o paok mas kalyteros PRIN kai pragmatika to apeyxome META?

0loklirontas kai sygnomi gia to makroskeles toy post, thelo na episimano dyo pragmata:
1) (an den kano megalo lathos), nomizo pos to arthro toy dikefaloy den irthe se katholoy tyxaio xrono. Kai einai pragmatika poli exypni topothetisi kai kyrios EGAIRI , mprosta se ayta poy o filos dikefalos "blepei" na exrontai (nomizo dystixos) poly-poly syntoma.  Kai an diafono mazi toy se kentrika simeia, protrepo na akolythisoyme tis protropes toy kai ego apo mia alli diastasi:  ekleise enas terastios kyklos (esto kai adoxa, kai teleios xoris perithorio oloklirosis). Ean einai na oloklirothei kapote as erthei orima, na ginei katanoiti i anagaiotita toy neoy kykloy kai OXI META APO ENA POLY ASXIMO APOTELESMA KAI ENTHERMO NA EPISTREPSEI.
giati poly apla tote tha yparxei isos  o kindynos toy dixasmoy, me tin axiosebasti merida poy den ton thelei.
2) paidia ayto poy ginetai me kathe bdomada na toys ftaiei kati (proetoimasia, paiktes,ilikies,klp), mipos den mas tima kai poly, epiteloys san antres na paroyn tin dikia toys merida eythinis (esto kai mikri an thelete?!) kai na min ta rixoyne alloy PALI? o propinitis milise gia oxi megali omada. EYXOMAI TO SABBATO NA MIN DILOSEI AN KAKIA ORA ERTHEI KANENA STRABO APOTELESMA OTI XASAME KAI FYSIOLOGIKA!
3) ME AYTO to post SE KAMIA PERIPTOSI DEN THELO NA ANOIXO DIALOGO ME DIAMAXI TIN ANASTASIADI, APLA NOMIZO OTI KALO THA EINAI OLOI NA POYME TIS DIKES MAS APOPSEIS STIS ORAIES TOPOTHETISEIS TOY DIKEFALOY. an o administrator krinei oti tha anoixei pali i gnosti kontra (to apefxomai, as diagrapsei to post.

NA MASTE KALA ADERFIA,  KAI KALO BOLI TO SABBATO!

[HOMO PAOKUS]

File Alessandro, kat' arxhn kalos hr8es sthn parea mas.
Entelos tyxaia kai symptomatika hdh edo kai merikes meres egrafa kai go ena antistoixo ar8ro. Ayto egine xoris na ksero oti kai o Dikefalos ekane to idio kai taytizontai se polla shmeia oi apopseis mas. Kapoia apo ta shmeia ayta ta 8igeis kai esy. Ligo ypomonh kai shmera-ayrio 8a akoloy8hsei kai to diko moy ar8ro loipon.Fysika mporei na akoloy8hsei dialogos. Pantos gia mena einai elpidoforo poy mesa ston geniko paniko ton teleytaio kairo kai thn eley8erh ptosh ths omadas/dioikhshs/opadon yparxei akoma kapoia psyxraimia kai kapoia nhfaliothta.

[Aponos]

File Allessandro4,
Prwton kalwsorises sto forum
Parolo pou eimai moderator s'auto to forum, den grafw suxna (extws apo elaxistes fores opws authn)...gia prosopikous logous.

To mono pou thelw na sou pw (kai genika se osous xreisimopioun auto to forum) einai oti exete kai thn eukeria na mas stelnete dika sas "ar8ra". Oti thelete na peite kai nomizete oti tha einai kalutera grammeno san keimeno...steilto (steilteto) to na to baloume sthn enothta "ta dika sas ar8ra".
Apo thn allh ama theleis (thelete) na gunete dialogos sto topic pou anoikses (anoiksate) fusika kalws ekanes kai to ebales sto forum.
Alla an -lew an- 8eleis (8elete) na to kanete san ar8ro...mhn dustaseis (dustasete)!

Kalo boli to sabbato opws eipes..kai na eimaste oloi kala!

p.s: sorry pou mberdepsa xronous kai enikous pluthintikous....alla eimai ptwma.

[Δικέφαλος]

Φίλε Alessandro4,

να σε καλωσορίσω κι εγώ με τη σειρά μου στο φόρουμ μας. 

Όσον αφορά τώρα το κείμενο που έγραψα:
Όπως έγραψα και σε άλλο ποστ, για μένα ο Αναστασιάδηε ευθείνεται 100% για τα αγωνιστικά σημερινά μας χάλια. Δεν δέχομαι ότι έκανε καλή και επαγγελματική δουλειά στον πάγκο της ομάδας. Το εάν βοήθησε στην ψυχολογία των παικτών και το εάν κράτησε την ομάδα ενωμένη είναι άλλο θέμα. Εγώ δεν τον κρίνω σαν ΠΑΟΚτσή αλλά σαν προπονητή.

Το κυρίως μύνημα όμως που θέλω να περάσω είναι ότι ο Αναστασιάδης πρώτον τελείωσε, και δεύτερον ότι δεν πρέπει να ξαναγίνει το ίδιο λάθος. Με άλλα λόγια ΔΕΝ πρέπει ο ΠΑΟΚ να πάρει στον πάγκο έιτε τον Αναστασιάδη πάλι είτε τον Κωστίκο.

Ειδικά τον δεύτερο που το metrosport πχ τον προωθεί από την αρχή, ΔΕΝ πρέπει να τον πάρουμε στον πάγκο σαν πρώτο προπονητή. Προτιμώ τον Φρίγκερ. Ο Κωστίκος έχει ΗΔΗ διχάσει τον κόσμο για το εάν είναι ΠΑΟΚτσής ή όχι (για την υπόθεση της χειρονομίας όταν έπαιζε στο γαύρο).

Τι θέλουμε δηλαδή. Να τον φέρουμε και να χωριστούμε πάλι στα δύο; Να λένε οι μεν "δεν κάνει" και να λένε οι υπόλοιποι "σκάστε ρε είναι ΠΑΟΚτσής";

Αυτό είναι το "όχι το ίδιο λάθος ξανά"

Ελπίζω να έγινα λίγο πιο σαφής τώρα. 

[sacrosanct]

file dikefale to 8ema den einai an einai paok h oxi...to 8ema einai poia einai h proponhtikh aksia tou ka8enos...o aggelos mas apodeikse kai mhn eimaste axaristoi oti ektos apo trelamenos gia ton Paok einai kai proponhths me arxidia as mh geliomaste kai ekane tromerh douleia kai kapoia la8h tou ta dexomaste...alla ta 8etika pou eixe sth 8hteia tou sto pagko ths omadas mas ta yperkalyptoune kai me to parapanw!
to 8ema einai oti gia na katseis sto pagko tou Paok den einai eykolo kai to gnwrizoume oloi...o kwstikos pws mporei na odhghsei mia omada A ethnikhs kai malista ton Paok(pou den einai enas  aplos syllogos A ethnikis opws o iwnikos alla megalh omada)xwris na exei kamia proponhtikh empeiria!ektos apo thn e8nikh newn pou htane amfivallw an exei doulepsei se megalo syllogo

[alessandro4]

file dikefale, exeis dikio oti den edosa poly megali prosoxi stis episimanseis soy gia ton kostiko.
Exeis apolyto dikio ,  ayta ta pseytodilimata  den tairiazoyn ston paok, kai sto megaleio toy (nai ayto poy oramatizomaste alla den exoyme distixos) kai se KAMIA MEGALI OMADA.

tha diafonisoyme gia to agonistiko kommati toy teos propiniti mas omos, kai edo irtha na doso tin apopsi moy dipla stin dikia soy me to idio titlo. Alla den nomizo oti ayto tha prepei na mas apasxolisei stin paroysa katastasi.
Nomizo oti tha akoloythiso tis parotrynseis sas kai tha to grapso se ena arthro kai afoy to blepete to sizitame.
Se ena tetoio arthro mporo na anaptyxo tis prosopikes moy skepseis gia to fainomeno Anastasiadi.,
me ena pio organomeno logo kai kyrios den tha xreiastei na koyraso ta aderfia poy den toys endiaferei to thema,
kai pragmatika nomizo pos para polloi enthermoi ypostiriktes toy akoloythoyn aytin ti siiopiri stasi giati poly apla den exei kamia oysia na peisoyme i na prospathisoyme na peisoyme filoys poy kai aytoi to kalo toy paok theloyne.

synopsizontas kai tin dikia moy apopsi ,tha epimeino symleironontas se apo tin alli pleyra: an i porta anoixei na anoixei ORIMA kai na to katalaboyme oloi GIATI PREPEI NA ERTHEI PISO.
 MEXRI TOTE den boitha ton PAOK na to zitame piso oi men, kai alloi na min ton theloyne KAI TIS KAKIAS ORAS KATASTASI.   An to sabbato kakia ora xespasei i orgi mas, na xespasei se aytoys poy tin axizoyn kai oxi se aytoys poy irthan gia na kanoyne toys mprostinoys toys.  O laos den prepei na ferei kanenan piso, an oi synthikes den to epibaloyn pragmatika kai orima. Nai tha einai lathos ama den peistoyn oi fones sas tis dikes soy na gysrisei piso se mia ora panikoy. AKOMA KALYTERA AS AFISOYME TON IDIO TO XRONO NA APODEIXEI POS  TO KEFALAIO ANASTASIADIS EXEI KLEISEI/EINAI ORTHANOIXTO STO BIBLIO TOY PAOK.


kai tha to xanarotiso ola ta aderfia: GIA OLA FTAIEI O ANASTASIADIS?
poios einai o rolos toy goymenoy, posoi ton pisteyoume kai posoi ton empisteyomaste?
poios einai o rolos toy proponitikoy team? POLOI MAGGES EINAI OLOI TOYS. o anastasiadis toys ftaiei gia aytin tin athlia diaxeirisi toy ylikoy? KALA AFOY O HAGAN EINAI TELEIOMENOS, SE ATHLIA KATASTASI KLP me poia logiki ton bazeis sto paixnidi me ton royli? Epeidi ton pisteyeis kai ton empneeis me tin sobarotita soy na einai  kai aytos  sobaros? Afoy DINEIS STEGNA TON GIASEMAKI (poy eilikrina sas milao pera apo ayto poy ton xrisimopioyse i teos texniki igesia ,den symbibastika pote mazi toy) afineis tin omada xoris trito epithetiko gia mia anoysia-asteia kinisi entyposeon, ti ton xrisimopoieis 1 MONO endomada META!,   KALA AFOY KAI AYTOS EINAI TELEIOMENOS, SE ATHLIA KATASTASI KLP me poia logiki ton bazeis sto paixnidi me ton royli?  Epeidi ton pisteyeis kai ton empneeis me tin sobarotita soy na einai  kai aytos  sobaros?
kathe bdomada kati ftaiei. I OMADA EINAI KAMMENI, toso kameni poy stis aimatolgikes anakoinosan pos oi paiktes einai entaxei alla KAI TO TONIZOYN KAI TO ALLA meriika apotelesmata paikton einai epibarymena. KAI POION ANAFEROYN DIXOS NTROPI SERBIRONTAS AERA STON KOSMO? ton Salpi poy oloi eidame ta paixnidia poy exei kanei me omada kai 2 etnhikes, ton foytsi! poy irthe proteleytaios stin proetoimasi logo ethinikis kameroyn olo to kalokairi, ton UDEZE! poy apotherapeytike prin apo to teleytaio mats proetoimasias, kai alloys tonoys aidias.     Kai to problima moy aderfia den einai to an einai i omada kameni.  To problima moy einai pos gamo tin aganaktisi moy ,an eisai megali omada tetoioys keroskopismoys den toys epitrepeis POTE. ayta ta zitimata einai ESOTERIKA, KAI DEN MAS AFOROYN OYTE KAI EMAS OS I OIKOGENEIA TOY PAOK.  den xeftilizeis tin omada etsi apla gia na akoyseis (mia?) kakia koybenta meta apo kathe strabii.
o paok gemise 35arides. o paok den exei nea paidia. ETSI EINAI RE PAIDIA. NA TOYS DIOXOYME OLOYS. O paok den exei nea paidia o karypidis (i apokalypsi toy friger!!!!! persi sto 1-2 itan o aderfos toy), o zisopoylos, o O PETRAKIS O KONTEON POY SKORAREI ANELIPOS STON BOLO, O ELEYTERIADIS, OI 3 STON THERMAIKO, oi 2 termatofylakes 17 kai 19 xronon paidakia stin Marko kai panseraiko, o 19xronos AMEFULE (Alla aytos EINAI PALTO, KAI ante na paei sto kalo , ante ego poy to monadiko paixnidi poy me arese itan stin 5ntara tis marseig, ante o dikefalos, kai ola ta alla ta aderfia na exoyme tis protimiseis mas na ton leme palto. EXEI POLOYS 19XRONOYS NIGIRIANOYS O PAOK  GIA NA TON TELEIOSOYME? ALLA NAI TALENTA ESTO KAI ME MINIMUM PROOPTIKI TA BRISKEI KATHE MERA O GOYMENOS.
Niothoyme oraia poy kathe mera erxete den erxete ,tha erthei, tora katoyraei kai an den ton parei tilefono o sokratis tha erhtei me kanena ekatomyriaki eyro o (NEOS&FILODOXOS) Tsiartas?  Tora poios dialegei re paidia , o PAOK i  OI PAIKTES? Alitheia mesa stin zali poy irthe to kalokairi, posoi me ola ta straba APORIFTHIKAN APO TON PAOK KAI APO TIS ALLES megales OMADES?  ARAGE POY PAME?   STOYS RAGUEL?!!! TON PLEON ATHLIO FULL BACK TOY PROTATHLIMATOS, ayton poy olo to kalokairi doyleyame OLA TA BAZELIA kai den ebgazan glossa.  Tolmoyn kai to sizitoyn gia mas, les kai eimaste o OFI. ERXONTAI XANA OI TA APMEINARIA TON 3on ston PAOK, ayta poy xronia den blepame apo ton portofola kai meta?  Plaka , plaka an ton sizitisoyn apo kanena bazelo , tha katalaboyme polla.
POIA MEGALI OMADA DIAFIMIZEI TIS METAGRAFES TIS? kai einai kai toso fereggyoi kai apotelesmatikoi poy dyskola tha ta xana-kanoyn Moynir!

KAI THA KLEISO ME TIN MEGALYTERI AGONIA,  an ypothesoyme gia na guriso ligo pali sto arthro toy filoy dikefaloy, o ANASTASIADIS me ton ena i allo tropo epeise toys paoktsides se ayta poy ithele na akoyseii ,
kai to epekteino akoma pio PERA O KOSMOS APODEDEIDGMENA TOY EIXE EMPISTOSYNI KAI PERA APO TIN PROPONITIKI TOY AXIA , toy empsteyontan kai tin filosofia toy sygxronoy-ANEXARTITOY PAOK. (kai oxi giati einai PAOKtshs giati paoktsides  einai kai o sarafis kai o bezyrtzis klp alla kanenas den toys zitise pote!)

SIMERA toys EXOYME PAIDIA OLOYS AYTOYS EMPISTOSYNI?  mporoyme na koimomaste isixoi oti den (eimaste?) doyloi kanenos?  poso kalo perissotero apo to kako kanoyn aytoi oi anthropoi ston PAOK MAS?
sto agonistiko kommati, an kai sigoyra me apsxolei kapoios na egguythei to sxediasmo mias ygeiis omada sto ayrio mas, den nomizo oti yparxei kindynos megalyteros apo tin apoleia ton idi kektimenon (poy einai kai oytos i allos poly poly liga gia to megethos mas)
se ola ta ypoloipa ,omos , paidia TREMO STIN IDEA, pos tha arxisoyme NA XANAMILAME GIA MEGALES APOSTASEIS , kai eti fotos akoma kai apo ayto to kakogoysto asteio organosis poy legete athina.

ithela den ithela, anebasa strofes paidia, alla moy bgike ayhormita giati ton ponao ton PAOK mas ,kai thelo na pisteyo oti kapoy  tha mperdepsa sto drpomo kai den einai etsi. Makari o PAOK na XANaBREI TON DROMO TOY POY OLOI POTHOYME, EPITELOYS.

loipon mia kai simera!

YG: aderfia sas eyxaristo oloys gia to kalosorisma, kai eyxomai syntoma (para poly syntoma!) na milame gia ta oraia (na toys kleisoyme to spiti!).
YG2: perimeno file homo-paokus, kai opoio allo paidi exei apopsi gia to thema.

[pavlosk]

File alessandro4

Na gurisei pisw o anastasiadhs? POTE ksana! Dokimase thn tyxh tou ston PAOK arketes fores kai ta ekane se telikh analysh XALIA!

Mhpws tha prepei na thumithoume ta paixnidia me maccabi, me alkmaar?
alla akoma kai auta me paniwnio, pou den kaname APOLYTWS TIPOTA!!!
Thn kerkura kerdisame kai auto me xilia zoria.
To oti h omada den exei fusikh katastash den euthinetai sigoura o fringer opws sigoura den euthinetai kai o goumenos!
Auto htan douleia tou anastasiadh kai tou proponhtikou tou team.
Oloi vlepoume oti mera to 60 den uparxei antoxh oxi mono apo salpiggidh kai foutsini alla kai apo tous upoloipous.
Egw na sou thumisw epishs thn xronia pou o anastasiadhs htan ston bazelo pou epaikse pali prokrimatiko CL kai htan eipshs h omada kammenh!
O anastasiadhs dusthxws pisteuei pio polu sthn theia epifwthsh gia na kaluterepsei h omada, ean den pane oi paiktes gia eksomologhsh kai den forane komposxoinia poly apla tha exoun provlhma!
As afhne loipon kata meros na zhtaei vohtheia apo xristous kai panagies kai na douleue etsi wste h omada na mporouse toulaxiston a treksei, alla pou....
O anastasiadhs otan irthe ston PAOK eixe milhsei gia propohtiko kentro klp, as pei loipon ti ekane 2 xronia pou to epaize pantwkratoras? pou einai estw kai mia agoropwlhsia kati pou na deixnei oti kinhthike pros auth thn kateuthinsh? Pou akousthke proponhths omadas na to paizei kai proedros kai grammateas kai manager kai antiproedros klp, o PAOK tote proponhth phre kai oxi poutana gia oles tis douleies! Ean eixe epikentrwthei sto ergo pou tou eixan anathesei isws shemra h omada na mhn htan xalia. Ean den kalupte eglhmata dioikhsewn shmera isws na htan kalutera kai autos kai o PAOK! Autos omws protimhse allo dromo, kalupsh mias athlias dioikhshs me opoiodhpote kostos kai empaigmo sthn ousia tou kosmou. Mono sta duskola vghke kia milouse MONOLOGOUS de dexotan erwsthseis kai evrize tous pantes kai agiopoiouse ton eauto tou. E tetoios proponhths na mas leipei.

Antitheta o opados tou PAOK anastasiadhs einai kalodexoumenos stis eksedres ths toumpas!

Gia tous neous paiktes kontewn, eleutheriadh klp autoi poses eukairies phran persu me ton proponitara anastasiadh?
Pou vriskontai autoi oi paiktes twra? Giati krathse ton amaefoule kai oxi as poume ton kontwn? Edw kai o pio asxetos vlepei oti o amaefoule einai tragi kai an thelume nte kai kala ena maurouko nighriano mporoun na vrethoun tosoi kai tosoi kai den einai anagh na exoume sthn omada enan nhgiriano pou ton eferan apo D athnikh pwlonias! ELEOS

pavlosk

[glykeria4]

Loipon twra edw anoigoume ena thema sxetika palio kai kanonika den tha eprepe na synexisw kai thn koubenta alla thelw na shmeiwsw to ekshs:
Kala kai agia ola ayta pou les pavlosk!kaneis den eipe pws osa ekane o Anastasiadhs den einai mempta...Me enoxlei kati omws afantasta...
Phre panw tou olh thn eythinh kai proswpika pisteyw pws den einai o monadikos pou ftaiei!Einai aparadekto na mhn anaferomaste genika sthn Pae kai na kathgoroume mono ayton!
Na thymisw thn eidopoihsh pou steilane gia ton Louka kai tosa koproskyla ekei pera den thn eidan??h kanan pws den thn eidan??
Opws kai na exei etsi opws irthan ta pragmata oloi oi ypaitioi ths twrinhs mas katastashs den exoune plhrwsei...!!!!!!(apopsh mou !dexomai kai enstaseis an diafwneite) Oi kyrioi pagwnhs kai Goumenos...kyriolektika afantoi kai gia mena h apopomph anastasiadh ena pragma shmainei:
Eykaireia gia na bgaloun aytoi oi 2 kyrioi thn ouritsa tous apo eksw...kai taytoxrona na kathysyxasoun ton kosmo...(san na lene dhladh...hremhste o kakos ths ypotheshs efyge).Koutoxorto trwme?Ti mas perasan?Skwlhkes?
Eleos pia! An eksetasei kaneis ta kakws keimena ston Paok tha dei pws den exoun arxh kai telos kai pws ftaine ouk oligoi...!
Synepws ayto pou me enoxlei kai tha synexisei na me peirazei...einai pws oi eythines apodwthikan se ena mono atomo..kai ayto einai adiko!!!!!

[Aponos]

Egw ena tha pw...
Otan pernane sunenteuksh ston Anastasiadi, den katalabena tipota. Den hksera ti skeftotan o proponhths gia thn omada, den hksera pio htan to problhma, den katalabena giati epeze tis pio polles fores mono me tous idious 11 paixtes, den katalabena giati p.x den ebaze ton konteon (opws mou thumise o filos pavlosk) pou sthn telikh htan se kathe fash mesa...(alla pou na prolabei kai kanena goal afou epeze mono 5 me 10 lepta...  ), basika den katalabena kai polla giati aplws o A. den MILOUSE! Ola ston Theo ta afhne..h elege pws ta afhne...olo elege "egw kserw"...olo kati tetia! E den einai dunaton re paidia...Edw o kainougios mas...hrthe kai mesa se 2 vdomades ematha oso ematha gia thn OMADA MOU se 2 xronia! Pws na mhn m'aresei pio polu?

Glykeria, to thema edw einai oti den milame gia tous "apo pisw" giati panta tha uparxoun kai panta tha einai san mafia...kai oxi mono se mas. Edw milame oti enas proponhths prepei na einai eppaggelmatias!

Protimo pou den exoume enan proedro san ton kokora...pou einai xwmenos se ola..kai paei kai milaei stous paixtes kai sta gay paidakia tou kai kai kai kai..
To oneiro olon ton PAOKtshdwn einai na broume kapiwn na pleirwnei..kai entaksei. Stamatame ekei. E paidia den gunete auto.


p.s: ta exw grapsei ligo mberdemena giati eimai sthn douleia....opiws den katalabe tha ta analysw kalutera ligo pio meta.

[glykeria4]

To oti den milame edw gia tous "apo pisw " opws les kai esy , den shmainei pws prepei na tous ksexname !kai se ayth idiws thn periptwsh thn glitwsan!kai den to anexomai proswpika! Panta otan kati ginetai...den mporei na ftaiei ena atomo..! Oi eythines einai moirasmenes loipon

[Aponos]

Den antilew.
Sumfwnw mazi sou...oti den prepei na tous ksexname, kai oti ksefeugoune sunexws"..alla apo thn stigmh pou h omada den peigenei kala ston agwnistiko tomea...se ti ftaine oi "apo pisw" "apo panw"?
Enas proedros prepei na kserei kai na asxoleite me ta lefta. Oxi me pion paixth tha paroume h pio susthma tha paiksoume h akomh pws na proponiountai oi paixtes mas.

Tha hthela na mou eksigiseis pws nomizeis oti oi euthines einai moirasmenes otan h omada den paizei kala.

p.s: Oso anafora to prohgoumeno post mou, hthela na sou zeitisw sugnwmh ama akoustike ligo epithetiko...apla ta egrafa grhgora. 

[glykeria4]

Den mou fanhke pws milhses apotoma mia xara ta eipes!
Eipa pws pisteyw pws oloi ftaine se kapoia themata kai pws den mporei na ta rixnoune ola ston Anastasiadh kai na ton diwxnoun.Ksanalew pws eftaige ontws alla den htan o monadikos! Kai mou peis pws h Pae exei san ypoxrewsh ths mono na rixnei xrhmata!
Fadasou pws esy exeis kanei mia ependysh... Ayth thn ependysh den prepei na thn parakoloutheis stena? Den tha endiaferesai ayth h ependysh na exei thetika apotelesmata (to lew etsi aploika gia na sou dwsw na katalabeis ti ennow me ayto to paradeigma)
To idio tha perimena proswpika me aytous pou exoun analabei ton Paok! Den phrane sta xeria tous kamia kalithea h den kserw ti allh omadoula!
An den mporousan na stathoun sto ypsos twn peristasewn as mhn analambanan pote!
Kai epistrefw se ayto pou legame prin..
Safws kai o proponths einai aytos o opoios tha epimelithei ths katastasews ths omadas kai to proponhtiko team pou tha frontisei gia thn fysikh katastash!
Mhn ta mperdeyoume omws...O proponhths den einai o "epixeirhmatias " pou tha xrhmatodothsei tyxon energeies ths omadas ...opws anaenwsh empsyxoy ylikou-metagrafes klp!
Kai milhsa pio panw eidika gia to thema tou louka kai thn timwria opou oloklhrh Pae den eide ta faks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
E L E O S !!!!!!!!!!
To pistepse kaneis ayto???  Fthne dikaiologia nomizw...
Kai apo ekei kai pera mporei kaneis na fadastei ti exei paixtei kai gia poio logo probalontai ola ayta ta senaria...
Kathe epoxh metagrafwn ...arxizoun ta senaria..pou ta tonwnoun h mallon frontizoun na ta tonwnoun oi efhmerides ekmetaleyomenoi thn kapsa tou laou tou Paok gia diakriseis! Pairnoune ta myala mas aera...kai arxizoume meta kai leme : aaaaa o aggelos den kanei metagrafes!
Aytos mporei na ithele na kanei 500 metagrafes paradeigma...to antexe h omada apo oikonomikh apopsh..
ayta ta erwthmata pou ethesa nomizw sou dinoun na katalabeis giati pisteyw pws ftaine oloi...
Exw dei kai atoma pou thn mera pou efyge o aggelos kanane party!
To paradexomai den hmoun se kamia periptwsh mia apo aytous kai oute lew osa lew epeidh tha ton ithela na gyrisei sthn omada...
Apla epeidh thewrw adiko na mhn anaferthei kaneis kai sra lathi pou kanane alloi kai ftasame edw pou ftasame.

[pavlosk]

glykeria4

sta agwnsitika themata ftaiei 99.9999999% o anastasiadhs. Htan oles dikes tou epiloges.

To oti kalupse thn athlia dikoiksh htan pali dikh tou epilogh kai oxi kapoiou allou.

To oti oloi mas oi neoi paiktes einai se alles omades daneikoi kai aguristoi opws lene merikoi ftaiei kai o anastasiadhs mazi me thn dioikhsh!

Gia thn athlia kai kakisth katastash olwn twn allwn thematwn ftaiei safws h dioikhsh.

To kako einai oti emeis vlepoume kuriakh me kuriakh thn omada ston agwnistiko xwro kai oxi tous paragontes.

me ton louka einai...paraksenh istoria kai to ti paixthke ligoi to kseroun.

pavlosk

[glykeria4]

Ma den eipa oti den ftaiei !oute prospathisa na kalypsw tpt...! Eipa apla pws kai alloi exoune meridio se eythines kai emeis krybomaste pisw apo to mikro mas daxtylaki
Kai to oti ayth th stigmh eimaste oloi eksorgismenoi nomizw pws afora  kyriws oxi to oti exoume ayth thn th katastash alla to oti ayth h katantia ( giati peri aytou prokeitai) den dexetai beltiwsh, toulaxiston pros to paron!
Tha mporouse o Anastasiadhs na fygei sto telos ths xronias...Kai ayto tha htan kai to swstotero anti na exoume ton fringer.
Ton katakrinw eksisou me sena! Apla thelw oi eythines na einai moirasmenes se keinous pou tous analogoune...Ayto mono..

[alessandro4]

re paidia giati tin pame ekei tin koybenta,  ego diladi giati tha prepei tora na apologitho gia ton anastasiadi, na apantiso, kai na apantisei kapoios allos.
ti na po, o Petrakis o Konteon  EPREPE na PAREI PAIXNIDIA! min treathoyme kiolas, o Eleytheriadis EPREPE NA PAREI PAIXNIDIA kai se omada protis ethnikis malista (kai eimai sigoyros oti tora kapoios prepei na trabixei t oayti toy Sifaki poy den tirei tin simfonia poy eixe ginei i na ton paroyn tora piso).
min trelathoyme kiolas ola ayta ta paidia paizoyn anikoyn ston paok MONO KAI MONO XARI STON ANASTASIADI. AYTO TO SXEDIO ME TIN STELEXOSI NEON PAIKTON EINAI APOKLEISTIKA TOY ANASTASIADI KAI IDI EXEI APODOSEI ME SALPI, BAGGELIS, KARYPIDI, kai pisteyo pos fetos tha ebgaine kai o zisopoylos stadiaka, kai osa apo ta alla ta paidia poy erxontai apo piso.

To kalokairi eginan 5 metagrafes paikton talenton kai kanenas apo mas den to blepei (andreadis-protos skorer epsm nomizo ,  Xristodoylopoylos (poy kaleitai kai stis mikres ethnikes pleon, o Kyriakidis termatofylakas tis ethnikis neon, kai den thymamai sygxoreste me ta alla paidia).   den eimaste proponites kai o Salpi akoma tin proti toy xronia (ayton ton eblepe o portofolas tosa xronia kai ton ektimoyse prin?) pire kapoia paixnidia, as min krinoyme to POTE KAI POY tha toys balei. Aytos xerei pos na to kanoyme.  O konteon, o karypidis persi epaixan se NTERBI! o paok einai megali omada   PREPEI NA PAIZEI MONO OPOIOS AXIZEI NA PAIZEI MONO  kai gia tin kariera toys einai katastrofiko ayta ta nea paidia na pisteyoyn oti oloklirothikan san paiktes!
o baggelis gia paradeigma -ayto to spoydaio talento- poy goystaro trela na ton blepo, einai aparedekto na pisteyei pos pleon exei thesi basikoy! aparadekto. To apedeixe? me poia megala paixnidia? megalo talento alla an toy foyskosoyn ta myala teleiose. Idi akoysa ta prota sxolia sto gipedo, baggelis "einai paiktis aytos gia ton paok!" ayti einai i organosi poy theloyne? 

den exei noima re aderfia na to sizitame, den tha peisoyme kanenan ma kanenan.  omos einai kai ligo dyskolo na akoyo pos ena apo ta megalytera dora toy anastasiadi,  oysiastika TO POLEMISE! o asxetos...

NA PAROYN OLOI TIS EYHTINES TOYS.  TON ANASTASIADIS OLOS O KOSMOS TON EXEI KRINEI KAI BLEPOYME POSOI TON PISTEYOYN (I DEN TON PISTEYOYN AN THELETE).
o anastasiadis DEN EINAI TO PROBLIMA TOY PAOK- TELEIOSE -PAEI- DEITE MPROSTA.

STO PROIGOYMENO POST MOY ETHESA KAPOIA EROTIMATA, KAI AKOMA PERIMENO APANTISI,
i plaka tha einai pos prosopiki moy apopsi oloi aytoi tha katareysoyn se mia nyxta, kai tote den tha xei noima
na toys blepoyme na peftoyn giati 1) tha exoyn ferei tin omada ekei sto simeio poy toys efere to telos toys kai 2) tha exoyme xasei ton kairo mas me akoma mia periptosi poy apodeixtike APLA ANAXIA TOY PAOK.

SALPI BALTO KATALATHOS!
yg: molis akoysa 2 oraia apo ton kyrio Fringer (Kostiko). i omada den exei PLEON problima fysikis katastasis. ayto afoyroyse ta proigoymena paixnidia eipe kai malista me ton ari i omada etrexe 90' kai itan eyxaristimenos. Sigxaritiria kai stoys dyo toys, gonimopoisan kai pali tin kameni gi se xrono rekor.
2) i omada tha paixei me ton protathliti, poy einai megalo somateio, poy me ton kosmo toy tha mas dyskolepsei akoma pio poly. SYGXARITIRIA.

a kai mia teleytai erotisi an mprei kapoios na moy tin apantisei simpiroatika, to paokworld einai i synexeia toy paok.com? ta parakoloytho xronia ta 2 ayta site kai nomizo pos i poiotita toys moy deinei tin entyposi pos einai tisi idias prospatheias.  opos kai na xei mprabo sta paidia toy site.

[Δικέφαλος]

STO PROIGOYMENO POST MOY ETHESA KAPOIA EROTIMATA, KAI AKOMA PERIMENO APANTISI,

την προσωπική μου γνώμη την έγραψα και στο κείμενο. Η σημεριμή διοίκηση είναι απλά μια διοίκηση που εκτελεί διαταγές. Ήρθε για συγκεκριμένο σκοπό και αυτός ο σκοπός ΔΕΝ είναι να πάει τον ΠΑΟΚ ψηλά. Και φυσικά συμφωνώ και το ξαναγράφω ότι φταίει για πολλά πράγματα, όπως πχ το φιάσκο του sold out που για να βρει κάποιος εισητήριο για το ματς με την Maccabi έπρεπε να πάρει διαρκείας.

a kai mia teleytai erotisi an mprei kapoios na moy tin apantisei simpiroatika, to paokworld einai i synexeia toy paok.com? ta parakoloytho xronia ta 2 ayta site kai nomizo pos i poiotita toys moy deinei tin entyposi pos einai tisi idias prospatheias.  opos kai na xei mprabo sta paidia toy site.

Τα άτομα που είναι και δουλεύουν στο PAOKWORLD.com δεν είναι τα άτομα που ήταν και δούλευαν για το PAOK.com.
Καμία σχέση.

[Δικέφαλος]

yg: molis akoysa 2 oraia apo ton kyrio Fringer (Kostiko). i omada den exei PLEON problima fysikis katastasis. ayto afoyroyse ta proigoymena paixnidia eipe kai malista me ton ari i omada etrexe 90' kai itan eyxaristimenos. Sigxaritiria kai stoys dyo toys, gonimopoisan kai pali tin kameni gi se xrono rekor.

pou to eipe auto? oloi grafoun oti eipe oti h omada exei perissoteres dynameis apo palia. Psemmata einai? Px o Hagkan pou oso xalia kai na htane sto teleutaio mats, htane o kalliteros Hagkan pou exoume dei ston PAOK. Giati les oti eipe pws h omada den exei problhma pia. Pou to diabases/akouses auto? Egw diabasa oti ton Maladenh ton afhse ektos apostolhs giati einai pisw se fysikh katastash...

2) i omada tha paixei me ton protathliti, poy einai megalo somateio, poy me ton kosmo toy tha mas dyskolepsei akoma pio poly. SYGXARITIRIA.

Kai pali pou diabases/akouses oti apokalese ton gauro "prwta8lhth". Dwse link na to diabasoume ki emeis. Oso gia to oti o kosmos tou gaurou 8a mas dyskolepsei psemmata pali einai?

[maik.paok]

sostos o dikefalos as stiriksoume aftous tora
i dikisi ine perastiki andi na tin enisxoume pou ebale ke kati franga tin vrisoume
aggelos ekane 1000% mono malakies ton telefteo kero eprepe na figi tora ti kanoume stin thesi ena den prepi na proothisoume ton portogalo
pote an oxi avrio pote mpori na diksi ke aftos tin aksia tou

[chris]

yg: molis akoysa 2 oraia apo ton kyrio Fringer (Kostiko). i omada den exei PLEON problima fysikis katastasis. ayto afoyroyse ta proigoymena paixnidia eipe kai malista me ton ari i omada etrexe 90' kai itan eyxaristimenos. Sigxaritiria kai stoys dyo toys, gonimopoisan kai pali tin kameni gi se xrono rekor.

pou to eipe auto? oloi grafoun oti eipe oti h omada exei perissoteres dynameis apo palia. Psemmata einai? Px o Hagkan pou oso xalia kai na htane sto teleutaio mats, htane o kalliteros Hagkan pou exoume dei ston PAOK. Giati les oti eipe pws h omada den exei problhma pia. Pou to diabases/akouses auto? Egw diabasa oti ton Maladenh ton afhse ektos apostolhs giati einai pisw se fysikh katastash...

2) i omada tha paixei me ton protathliti, poy einai megalo somateio, poy me ton kosmo toy tha mas dyskolepsei akoma pio poly. SYGXARITIRIA.

Kai pali pou diabases/akouses oti apokalese ton gauro "prwta8lhth". Dwse link na to diabasoume ki emeis. Oso gia to oti o kosmos tou gaurou 8a mas dyskolepsei psemmata pali einai?

polly swstes oi epishmanseis-erwthseis tu giannh/dikefalou
kai egw 8elw na diabasw pu grafthkan-eipw8hkan ta parapanw-an eipw8hkan etsi akribws

[nedim]

gia sas adelfia .auto ine to proto minima mou sto forum .lipon ftaine poloi kai pio poli i dioikisi alla den mporoume na min tonizoume tin terastia euthini tou aggelou o opois exi pai tin omada 10 xronia piso .oi epiloges tou itan olethries kratise olous tous teliomenous (atmatzidi,toxouroglou,vokolo,xagan,giasemaki,marko) gia na min po kai gia alous,edioxe ola ta nea paidia pou perisi dixan oti exoun na dosoun polla kai sto xekinima tis xronias afise ston paok ta 2,3 nea paidia pou ixame (karipidi,zisopoulo,vageli).kai an ola auta itan anagasmenos na ta kani apo tin dioikisi eprepe na to pi .ta parapano gia mena ine parapoli simantika giati aforoun to agonistiko komati to opoi tora gia na diorthothi theli ka ixrono kai xrima ..osa kala kai an ekane o aggelos ston paok to kako pou ekane ine terastio .............