PARAPONA gia thn dianomh twn eishtiwn TU TELIKU ari-PAOK 2003 (Ενίσχυση ΟΛΩΝ των ΣΦ απο συνδεσμίτες & μη."Καπέλα",οικ.ενισχύσεις,κτλ)
Από το παλιό forum του PAOKWORLD (2002–2022) – μόνο για ανάγνωση.
chris ·
15.bre den paei na se leei o makhs/yang esena....me apodeikseis k stoixeia....MALAKA ton eipes EMMESA an den to katalabes....mhpws EMMESA k KLEFTH?[gia skepsou]
16.ela nte pu OMWS h PLEIOPSHFIA twn sf k proedrwn einai KA8AROI....alla "konta sta ksera kaigontai k ta xlwra"
16-a."mhn krineis eks idiwn ta allotria"....filika sto lew k xwris parekshghsh enoeitai
17.KANHS den ysxhristhke POTE oti OLOI oi sf EINAI AIDIOTELEIS K KA8AROI.meiopshfies kakwn sf yparxoun k 8a yparxoun
17-a.alh8eia prin kapoio kairo EIXAN PIASTEI DASKALOI GIA KATOXH,XRHSH,PWLHSH! NARKWTIKWN!mhpws prepei OLOI MAS na stamathsoume na stelnoume TA PAIDIA MAS sxoleio?
H mhpws na koitaksoume na DIOR8WSOUME ta "kakws keimena" KAI na mhn probainoume se GENIKEFSEIS pou mas EK8ETOUN?
18.xwris PAREKSHGHSH elef8era exe tis apospeis su ALLA ESY TIS GENIKEFSES.AFTO HTAN TO LA8OS SU.
18-a.alh8eia[xwris parekshghsh....koubentoula kanoume] na STAMATHSOUME na stelnoume ta PAIDIA MAS sxoleio epeidh bre8hkan kapoia REMALIA daskaloi?
alh8eia? na stamathsoume na ANEBAINOUME se leoforeia YPERASTIKWN SYGINONIWN mias k eixame ta tyxhmata se aliakmona k temph [pio prosfata]-oxi emeis oi syndesmites,milaw gia to epibatiko koino- afou me thn LOGIKH SU 2-3 SF MALAKES[ENOEITAI OTI YPARXOUN K EINAI] ara k 2-3 odhgoi EPIKYNDYNOI ara=OLOI OI ODHGOI TWN KTEL EPIKYNDYNOI?TI LES?
19.fianetai makh/yang oti KAPOIOI diabazoun EPILEKTIKA kapoia ar8ra/topic se afto to FORUM....den ekshghtai alliws....fainetai oti se topic AFTHS ths enothtas emeis KRAZOUME ton?....sf PAOK katw raxoulas
19-a.makh ta "pairnoume"....afto yponooun ta GRAPTA tou....alla to exei synhdhtopoihsei arage?
20.a pali kala EFXARISTOUME....na niw8oume KAI EVGOMWNES gia afto dhladh?
21.em etsi paei."katse na pw k kati kalo gia kapoius sf giati den leei.polla eipa"...."mhpws kserw gia to 2dymo stavroupolhs/7lofou?"...."mhpws kserw gia OLOUS tus YPOLOIPUS SF k ton agwna pu dinoun?"...."katse tulaxiston na pw kala logia ESTW gia tis dytikes k ka-8a-ri-sa"
22.na to kseka8arizes oti milouses gia tus MEGALOUS....arghses omws k DIKAIOLOGHMENH H ANTIDRASH TU MAKH 100%
22-a.den briskesai se DIKASTHRIO,den eimaste DIKASTES.ase loipon ta "nomika tertipia" k ta "efyologhmata tu plousiou ellhnikou graptou logou"....KANHS APO MAS den exei dia8esh na se "kolhsei ston toixo" pistepse me.NA MA8HS NA MHN GENIKEVEIS,AFTO EINAI TO NOHMA PU PREPEI NA BGALOUME OLOI APO AFTHN THN SHZHTHSH
23.symfwnw me ola ta parapanw pu eipes "pitbull"[prospa8hse se parakalw na mhn grafhs PANTA me KEFALAIA-einai kourastiko,"deixnh" oti kapoios "fwnazei"
24-a.omws....otan O KA8E SYNDESMITHS KA8E SYNDESMOY EPAIRNE TO EISHTHRIO DINONTAS KAI! 15EURO EXTRA[proplhrwnontas tus kalokairinous mhnes]....ena eishthrio pu tu AKSIZE afou AFTOS trexei se ekdromes,trwei ksylo,molotof,petres,sylhpseis,kanh kerkida k TOSA ALLA....GIATI o anorganwtos na MHN to parei oso KAI o organwmenos?[OLOI ISOI K "ADERFIA" DEN LEME OTI EIMASTE?]
24-b.alla o anorganwtos BLEPEIS exei alla eksoda...."pitsa,mpyra,poly8ro…
arafat4 ·
ALEX egw tha simfwnisw mazi soy(eidikotera gia toys makedones poy pleon oloi toys katakrinoyn gia to kapelo poy balane) kai me toys perissoteroys edw mesa poy ekfrazoyn ena klima disareskeias pros merika gegonota poy simbainoyn sto sindesmiako kinima.
stin toyba to eisitirio to epairnes 15 euro kai mono an isoyn melos.
oyte kapelo oyte tipota.
stin 4 epairnes to eisitirio stin timi toy an isoyn melos kai an oxi plirwnes ena fisiologiko kapelo 5 euro kai me ena imerologio dwro.
i idia i 4 katigeile tis diples times allwn sindesmwn.
emena i apopsi moy einai giafto poy xerw kai afto poy xerw einai gia toys makedones.
afta.
ALEX ·
epidi den ksero na xorizo ta topic se komatia tha se apantiso vazontas mprosta noumera.
1 topic
1)i mpixti apeuthinete se emena kai ego ektos apo merikes genikeuseis pou ekana ta xono kirios se thira 4/makedones
2)oi sindesmoi tis eparxias aksizoun polla ala pairnoun ta ligotera.tora sta tou prosopikou pou egrapses eise lathos se 2 sostos se 1.plirono tous logariasmous mou giati den goustaro na ta fortono stous dikous mou doksa to theo gia 3-4 mines akoma pou diarkei i simvasei tha exo doulia,akouo radio ala pote den exo parei til. gia otidipote apla epidi odigao exo tin euxeria na akouo oso gia to foroum edo nai eise sostos.
3)nai ego esi tha kanoume na doume 4 miria se 2-3 xronia me polla zoria oxi se 1 mera kai poli evala malon ores itan
4)den eimai gnosteis oikonomikon 150 s.f. apla sou leo oti apo pantou sxedon vgainoun mizes kai se rotao an eisoun proedros s.f. kai matones oikonomika tha sinexizes?e aloi pou sintiroun kai oikogenoia xoris doulia pos to kanoun i ante epidi einai enas pos to kanei? e MEGISTE
alitheia posa se dinoun ? na kanoume kai ligo xioumor e?
6)ela re c mou anagnorizeis kai kati
a)giatroi oxi b)politikoi nai g)astinomikoi oxi
7)tipota den teliose eki
8 )anagnorizo tis prospathies gia organosi tis kerkidas gia ton kopo pou travane gia to treksimo se politika grafeia gia ton ekastote mpatatoudi na grapso kialla?
9 ela re megalo PAOKI pou exeis travixth pantou ego den tha katso na grapso pou exo pai den me kanei pio manga einai gia tin parti mou auta pou perasa kai tha peraso.kai aporo toso misos gia to net kai eisai kai moderator?an einai dinaton.
pou stirizeis perisotero se oikonomiko epipedo tin omada me diarkias i xorista ta eisitiria e?
ALEX ·
2 topic
1)ti sinai sthimata sou prokalo?ante pes na doume
2)panta anferomouna stous megalous giati oi eparxiaki einai se diaforetiki moira.krkse perisotero sou dino kai to erethisma aloste
3)e iparxoun kai oi proedroi tou PAOK pou molis stamatisi to paradaki na reiei arxizei to kraksimo apo tous proedrous ton megalon sindesmon diafoneis?
4)ayto to paratirisa oti tous krazete min anxonese kai poli diavazo tin genikeusi pou ides?
5)ksero oti tous poulane kai se magazia omos den perasane telios oi epoxes tou limaniou.
6)tin ksero tin dieuthinsi tou ote kai ta entipa paragelion oi tis efimerides tis palies
Yang ·
Alexh, den exo kanena problhma me esena prosopika, alla otan bgaineis kai katakrineis to sundesmiako kinhma, katakrineis kai emena pou eimai en8ermos uposthrikths tou, kai melos. Exo treksei gia sundesmo, kai exo paei se sundesmous -malista se enan apo autous-ekgainia tou kordeliou to kalokairi- me phre kai h camera me ton chris, sthn efhmerida metrosport, opote 8igomai otan kapoios leei kati enantion.
Se kapoia stigmh eipes "tora pes mou giati skotonostai oi 2 megaloi(thira 4/makedones)gia tin psixi tis manas tous den nomizo."
Kai se auto sou apnthsa les kai emena klefth?? Giati ego, kai oi upoloipoi kanoume auta pou kanoume?? Doksa ton 8eo oi goneis mou einai zontanoi kai na zhsoun alla tosa xronia..
Auto pou 8elo na po einai oti, polloi kanoume polla, giati trella mas. Den 8a prepei na blepoume piso apo olla aitia kai kakoboulia. Einai kalo oi sundesmoi na xoun kai ena fragko sthn akrh gia ama xreiastei kati, na mporoun na dosoun lefta. Paoktsakia stis fulakes, epeidh katourisan xoris adeia- eimoun mprosta, gia paidia pou traumatistikan se atuxhmata,Mpamphs Tsolakidhs, h to eklhsaki tou katsourh, pou ekane h Mhxaniona. Suntoma 8a katsoume na ta analusoume olla.
Na baloume olles ti apopseis kato, pisteuo na goustares ta pano ths mhxanionas etsi??? Den pisteuo na mhn goustare kaneis??
Makhs
ALEX ·
3 topic
1)an katalaves esi oti ton eipa klefti i malaka kalos to katalaves re file ti na se po parapano.re seis ta xorafia mou tha xoriso edo mesa ti einai ayta pou grafeis.
2)ti na kanoume etsi einai oi koinonia pou zoume ala simphono oti poloi sindesmoi pou einai stin afania kai xaropaleuon den ftain na plironoun tis malakies ton megalon poutana koinonia omos ti na kaneis
3)edo mperdeueis 2 pragmata a)tous sindesmous oi opoioi ekfrazoun ena megalo komati anthropon pou poles fores tis malakies tous (oxi oles) tis kaliptoun i prospathoun na tis kalipsoun anthropoi san esena me tous b)tous daskalous pou ekfrazoun ton eauto tous kai me mia malakia pernoun podi mallon atixhs sigrisi ekanes.sto na diorthosoume ta kakos kimena simfono an prosekses me tin apopsi tou dikefalou kratontas kapies epifilaksis
4)an esi katalaves apo auta pou egrapsa peri isologismou oti se katigoro oti ta pairneis tote eise diania re file mono mia diania ta eklamvanete etsi ta peri proipologismou/isologismou
den leo oti den ekana lathi i oti eimai alanthastos ala koita loigo pros tin meria sou
5)den thelo na nioseis eugnomonas kai na doso ksana ta sigxaritiria mou pou kratate to site aspromauro giati den eimai se ola kolimenos opos pisteueis
6)oi ditikes sinikies ekfrazoun ena megalo komati sidesmon pou epi to pleiston oi prakseis tous kai oi statheres theseis tous einai aksies singaritirion na grapso parapano theleis?den einai ante kai kathariasa einai mia ektimisi pou exo stis ditikes ok?
7)malon prin arxiseis na grafeis eprepe na divaseis prosextika ayta pou egrapsa kai meta na egrafes ala kapia topic ta rixnoume mia matia kai ante na grapsoume den paei etsi.
8)ti na kanoume emeis oi anorganotoi pou eimaste ta anarxika stoixeia gia tous organomenous pou einai pio PAOKIA apo olous emas kai mon autoi trexoun se patres kai trone petres kai kathontai oi mpatsoi sto lemo tous pou kontevis na patheis asfiksia otan se pigenoun me ton ilektriko sinodia apo tin zesti kai dose mpinelikia e kano kapio lathos ego o anorganotos pou pitsa mpira polithrona kai ton PAOK sto kouti kai stoixima paizo na se simpliroso an theleis.ala esis eiste oi mages pou diatimpanizete ego piga ekei edo efaga petres eki edeira gaurous ekei kai ales tetoies malakies se fouskonoun ksero.ti na kano pou ta kratao gia parti mou osa exo traviksi kai osa tha travikso sto mellon.
afta apo emena xoris pareksigisi sizitisi kanoume ante na doume mipos vgei kai tipota thetiko.
ALEX ·
kapote etrexa kai ego gia sindesmo kai me trelane perisotero kai me trelenei akoma kai tora auta pou kanoun 2 proedroi na sto po etsi giati gia na kerdisoun oi idioi vazoun to sindesmo kai ta meli mprosta pou stin ousia den ftain se tipota kai exoun pesi kai fapes (mexri edo ftasane oi 2 toipoi) metaksi melon tis 4 kai makedonon stin p.p.g. pou stin ousia einai kinoumenoi apo tous proedrous esi i o kathe sindesmitis pou exei agnia se kapia pragmata kai ton exoun kanei pionei den ftaiei se tipota pros theou siga na min se po klefti esna i to filaraki mou pou einai sindesmitis kai pame parea sto gipedo min ta mperdeuoume.na sou anfero ena peristatiko otan egine to atixima sta tempi meta to mats me ton vazelo itane savato ego paraskeui imouna athina kai den mporousa na mino na do to mats giati eprepe na giriso salonika logo doulias to filaraki mou itan sto mats kai sto girismo girise me to poulman tou kordeliou egine to atixima efigan ta 6 aetopoula apo tin zoi(singxoremenoi kai na goustaroun ta kipela tis omadas mas)ti glitose me kati diasisis kai peiragmena pleura auta ta paidia ego ta sevomai pou paizoun korona kai i trela einai oti an emena tha girnousa me to idio leforio pios kserei ti tha ginotan. i frasei perei psixi tis manas itan apla mia ekfrasei katalaveneis nomizo kala na einai oi goneis olon mas kai na zisoun pola xronia.to pano tis mixanionas to goustaro kai to apolamvano kathe fora pou vgainei min anxonese.
tora ego stin arxi den ithela na grapso me akriveia i 4 oi h makedones kai gia auto evala perisotero plithintiko thelontas na to peraso apo plagia vevaia kapou to genikeua thelontas kapou oxi auto o CHRIS den tha grapso kapios to pire oti ta genikeuo ola kai prospathise poli eironika na apantisi se ayta pou egrapsa kai na me prokalesi elpizo na pire mia idea apo ton tropo pou egrapsa ta themata
Dikefalos ·
O "Chris" einai moderator gia logous tous opoious den xreiazetai na e3hghsw/soume. Ayto pou les "misos" gia to Internet einai la8os. Den "misei" to internet. Apla to 8ewrei "ergalio" oxi ayto-skopo. O Xristos pisteuei pws mesw tou Internet mas deinetai h eukairia na pername mynhmata kai pws skopos tou PAOKtsi prepei na einai h syspeirwsh mesw twn syndesmwn. Ayth einai h gnwmh tou, egw proswpika symfwnw mono kata 50% kai exw kai sobares diafwnies pou syzhtame meta3y mas se ka8hmerinh bash.
Twra oson afora thn erwthsh sou ean fobamai pws kai na alla3oune oi proedroi twn syndesmwn 8a gluka8oune sthn poreia apo to xrhma na sou pw:
Egw (proswpika) exw mia monadiki empeiria mesw tou PAOKWORLD. Synergazomai me atoma pou exoun entelws diaforetikes empeiries apo emena, alloi einai syndesmites, alloi prwhn kai fysiko epakolou8o einai oi apopseis mas polles fores na einai rizika anti8etes. H synergasia mas bassizetai kata 99.9% mesw e-mail, ayto omws den thn empodizei na aggizei an oxi to teleio, toulaxiston para poly ikanopoihtika epipeda. Mesw ayths ths empeirias exw katalabei oti shmasia exei na mporeis na syzhthseis me ton allon ta panta, na tou exeis empystosynh. Oxi me kritirio to ti pisteuei panw se memonomena 8emata, alla me bash poio einai to kinhtro tou.
Enas proedros syndesmou exei ey8ynh apenanti sta melh tou syndesmou. Prepei na enhmerwnei. Apo thn allh ta melh prepei na zhtane enhmerwsh. Ayto pou leme "diafaneia" prepei na kyriarxei gia na yparxei a3iopistia sthn kalh 8elhsh. Ean ypo8esoume oti oi mellontikoi proedroi pou 8a analaboune DEN 8a einai kakobouloi (xwris na lew oti oi twra einai), nomizw pws yparxoun 1002 tropoi na apofeygeis katastaseis "monopoliou" ths dioikhshs toy syllogou kai na epibaleis elegxo ston syndesmo.
To pio shmantiko gia mena einai o kosmos na pisteuei stous proedrous. Na tous exei empistosynh, na pisteyoun ta melh oti o "antiproswpos" tous douleuei gia to kalo tou PAOK. Kapoies apofaseis sigoura 8a briskoun merikous anti8etous. Ekei krinontai outws h allws oi hgetes: Stis apofaseis pou pairnoun.
Panw ap'ola omws pisteuw pws to genikotero syndesmiako kinhma tou PAOK prepei na ana8ewrh8ei. Oi epoxes pou o kosmos etrexe stous dromous na diamartyrh8ei exoun perasei. Shmera KANENAS den 8a bgei apo to spiti tou gia na paei na "enhmerw8ei" se syllalhthrio. 8a anoi3ei to internet kai 8a diabasei 100 diaforetikes apopseis se xrono mhden. Oute thleorash de 8a anoi3ei ka8ws 8a prepei na PERIMENEI gia na dei ayto pou 8elei. Gia na ton 3eshkwseis loipon apo ton kanape, prepei na ton PHSEIS oti A3IZEI ton kopo na paei na diamartyrh8ei. Kai ayto de ginetai ean 11 mhnes to xrono de se gnwrizei kai ton dwdekato ton kaleis se syllalhthrio...
Kalws h kakws h koinwnia exei alla3ei. Ta nea PAOKtsakia ma8ainoun poly pio eukola ti einai to "mouse" kai h "karta grafikwn" para pou vrisketai o pio kontinos syndesmos PAOK. Den epikrotw tetoies katastaseis, alla ayth einai h pragmatikothta, ayto einai kai to (kontino) mellon. Ean den dextoume…
ALEX ·
den diafono se pola seimia mazi sou dikefale simfono peri kanape peri tis koinonias den prepei na amfisvti kaneis oti pleon oi texnologia proxorai kai odigithikame sto net pou ontos einai ergaleio simfono ala paralila einai kai xompi dil. ego grafo edo kai perimeno na fortosi kati alo pou thelo na to katevaso na to epeksergasto k.t.l.
na sou po tora gia ti kratao epifilaksis feugei o arsenis palia mpainei o ilias an thimame kala den kanei feugei kai mpainei o triantafilidis kai ti exoume mia apo ta idia giauto pisteuo oti kai me tin ananeosi pali xairi den tha doume.
simfono gia to entipo to koino omos pisteuo oti oi moni diafora pou prepei na exei anas s.f. me enan alon einai i perioxi stin opoia stegazete gia na sispironi ton kosmo tis kathe perioxis kamia ali diafora den tha eprepe na eipirxe giati oloi ipotithete oti ergazontai kai koinountai gia to simferon tis omadas kai mono.
tora gia ta narkotika rinai fainomeno tis koinonias to opoio exei ftasei kai stous sindesmous kai se polous tomeis elaxistoi den exoun epireasti kai pos na ginei aloste otan paifti i diafimisi apo ta kanalia vroxi xoris na to pernei kaneis xampari nomizontas oti vlepei eidisis i kapia tainia siga siga perniete to minima.
tora oi sindesmoi na epanertho prepei na leitourgoun etsi pisteuo ala oxi gia prosopiko ofelos kapion ala gia to kalo tou PAOK kai tin kaliteroi eksipiretisi prota ton melon tou.distixos ego den mporo na tous exo empistosini exo vevaia ektimisi stis ditikes sinikies apoliti ampistosini den mporo na deikso an fas ta moutra sou kana 2 fores matheneis na kratas epifilaksis omos kai oi idioi oi s.f. i kalitera oi proedroi me ipolipo simvoulio apomakrinoun ton kosmo akoma perissotero me tin simperifora tous mliga logia oi idioi kanoun ton kosmo na amfivalei gia tin timiotita tous an valoume kai tin genikoteroi kaxipopsia stis meres mas pou iparxei gia ta panta simfono oti eki odigoumaste.
p.s. arafat na po oti mallon oi toumpa den xreiazete 4 miria gia to kalokairi opos ali sindesmoi.
simfono se ayta pou eipes.
gate4 ·
se oti afora ti dianomi twn eisitiriwn tou telikou, osoi den gnwrizoun akoma, mporoun na diabasoun tin upeuthini apantisi tis G4 sto link
http://www.paokworld.com/paokworldboard/index.php?board=4;action=display;threadid=17;start=20
TASOS79 ·