2004MAIOS(& sternh mu gnwsh na se eixa prwta) nea epohi kai apologismos tis xronias

[stef]

kalispera PAOKARES olis tis gis.

apantisi gia ta 6 dis.
katarxin borei to arxiko simbolaio na proevlepe 6 dis
(gia na min xehniomaste apo etairia tou batatoudi se alli
etairia tou batatoudi- diladi giannis kerna giannis pinei)
alla an o PAOK kinigouse tin ipo8esi dikastikos 8a
NOMIMOPOIUTAN NA DIEKDIKISEI MONO TO 1.2 DIS
TIS PROTIS XRONIAS.
KAI AUTA OXI EPEIDI "KLAPIKAN" ALLA EPEIDI DEN BIKAN
STON PAOK.
alla eipame den eipame o arxi-apateonas se ayta itan manoula
gia auto alloste dimiourgise 5 etairies giro apo to emboriko
tmima tou PAOK .
gia na min fainetai o idios.

tora stin metabibasi ton metoxon opoios gnorizeo ELAXISTA
APO EMPORIKES SINALLAGES katalabainei oti egine amoibaios
SIMBIBASMOS.
Apo tin mia oi diki mas pou i8elan tin PAE PAOK kai den borousan
me tipota na tin apoktisoun,
kai apo tin alli o arxi-apateonas pou ixere oti o PAOK einai
to pio gero tou xarti (...dioti aploustata kratouse kai tous
politikous sto xeri)
kai ti eixame ..?
epi 5 mines o batapateonas epaize me ta neura mas,
epaize me tin simerinous an8ropous (ipo tin anoxi tou paxisarkou).
omos epeidi oi ekloges plisiazane kai to "paxisarko gourouni"
eblepe oti i dimotikotita tou ef8ine ka8imerinos olo
kai perissotero
ebale kai tous dio na simbibastoune.
apo tin mia o Batapateonas pou stin arxi zitouse gia tin
polisi 2.5 dis ,meta ta meiose sta 1.5 dis kai telika poulise
me 500ek.
kai apo tina alli o Pagonis-Goumenos na min kinigisei dikastikos
ton batatoudi etsi oste na do8ei epitelous ena telos stin
7xroni tirrania.

kai nai euxaristise ton Benizelo , afou omos to zitise os oro
tis simfonias opos analogo oro zitise KAI PIRE KAI APO
Damianidi kai apo Mat8aiou - Skorda.

paidia stin periptosi mas tairiazei ganti "Trogomaste me ta
rouxa mas".
isos epeidi os laos eimaste iper tou deontos sinais8matikos
kai agapame olloi mas pa8olika ton PAOK den boroume
na doume merika pragmata psixraima kai antikeimenika.
nai i simerini dioikisi exei kanei la8oi.
nai einai IPERBOLIKA xamilon tonon(emena prosopika den
me enoxlei kai poli auto).
alla prepei na koitaxoume to aurio.
OPOIOS DEN GOUSTAREI NA MIN STIRIXEI TOUS SIMERINOUS
AN8ROPOUS ... MAGEIA TOU.
EGO 8ELO ENA KAI MONO NA STIRIXO TON PAOK.
AUTO ME NOIAZEI.
apo tin stigmi pou i dioikisi
taktopoiei ta xrei,
organonei kai bazei ton PAOK se epaggelmatika plaisia,
kai den zeimionei logistikos to somateio.
ego eimai ipoxreomenos na paro to diarkeias mou
kai tis baseis pou balame fetos na tis sinexisoume kai
tou xronou etsi oste o PAOK na ginei... ouranoxistis.
apo tin alli den me noiazei poion paixti 8a paroume
(xeroume oti i omada xreiazetai enisxisi - kai eimai sigouros
oti 8a tin exei),
oute me noiazei an o enas einai koutso alogo i oxi...
apo tin stigmi pou o proponitis ton embisteuetai,
automata ton embisteuomai kai ego.
etsi apla.
an kataferoume na doume oti o rolos tou opadou
tou PAOK einai stirixei tin omada kai sta diskola ka sta eukola
eimai sigouros oti kai oi megaliteres epitixies den 8a argisoun
na er8oun.

[gate4]

apantisi gia ta 6 dis.
katarxin borei to arxiko simbolaio na proevlepe 6 dis
(gia na min xehniomaste apo etairia tou batatoudi se alli
etairia tou batatoudi- diladi giannis kerna giannis pinei)
alla an o PAOK kinigouse tin ipo8esi dikastikos 8a
NOMIMOPOIUTAN NA DIEKDIKISEI MONO TO 1.2 DIS
TIS PROTIS XRONIAS.
KAI AUTA OXI EPEIDI "KLAPIKAN" ALLA EPEIDI DEN BIKAN
STON PAOK.

polu swsti paratirisi. entaksei tin exoume baftisei kataxrisi twn 6 dis alla o PAOK den mporouse na dikedikisei panw apo 4M euro. alla ki auta ta 4 den einai asimanto poso. einai ta diplasia apo osa ebale o goumenos me ton pagwni fetos. einai ousiastika ta lefta gia to athliko kentro kai ta lefta auta xaristikan apo ti nun dioikisi, i kalutera den diekdikithikan kai dwthike afesi amartiwn ston bat.
swsta den einai 6dis alla to polu 4M euro. alla einai liga?

[stef]

oxi file gate-4 den einai liga.
apla skepsou oti einai ta lefta pou zitouse o batatoudis
gia na figei.
kai ta pire me allo tropo.

[gate4]

e nai afou oi idioi anthrwpoi itan apo pisw kai tote kai twra.

[stef]

.....??
entaxei pali petas mia laspi kai ka8arisame.
file oso i simerinoi dioikountes energoune opos energoune,
oso i simerini dioikisi taktopoioi ta xrei tis omadas gia
na einai mia sosti anonimi etairia me prooptiki,
oso i simerini dioikisi pratei auta pou epi8imei o proponitis mas,
oso i simerini dioikisi exei exafanismena olla ta lamogia autis
tis polis,
oso i simerinoi dioikisi den ipokiptei se ekbiasmous tou parel8ontos,
toso kai ego den 8a exo kanena dikaioma na min tous stirixo.
pisteuo oti osoi kanoun to anti8eto i parapliroforimenoi einai
i exoun xasei ta kone stous diadromous ton grafeion i
epi8imoun TIN PRAGMATIKI EPANAFORA SE MERES BATATOUDI
OPOU OLLOI KALA PERNOUSAN , KAI O PAOK XALIA.

p.s.:kai kati akomi ... an pigainame tin ipo8esi dikastikos
      tou 1.2 dis to poli kamia 400 ek. na pairmname kai auta
      an ta pairname. min xehnas oti tin xronia ekeini o
      PAOK  eixe ipograpsei kai me to Alpha.
      kai an bazame tis anaboles kapaki anaboles - efeseis
      k.o.k. oute se mia 5 etia den ta vlepema kai auta.
      aplos itan ena kalo xarti gia diapragmateuseis ekatero8en.

[petrovgr]

e nai afou oi idioi anthrwpoi itan apo pisw kai tote kai twra.

PWS LEGONTAI?

[8emhs]

apantisi gia ta 6 dis.
katarxin borei to arxiko simbolaio na proevlepe 6 dis
(gia na min xehniomaste apo etairia tou batatoudi se alli
etairia tou batatoudi- diladi giannis kerna giannis pinei)
alla an o PAOK kinigouse tin ipo8esi dikastikos 8a
NOMIMOPOIUTAN NA DIEKDIKISEI MONO TO 1.2 DIS
TIS PROTIS XRONIAS.
KAI AUTA OXI EPEIDI "KLAPIKAN" ALLA EPEIDI DEN BIKAN
STON PAOK.

polu swsti paratirisi. entaksei tin exoume baftisei kataxrisi twn 6 dis alla o PAOK den mporouse na dikedikisei panw apo 4M euro. alla ki auta ta 4 den einai asimanto poso. einai ta diplasia apo osa ebale o goumenos me ton pagwni fetos. einai ousiastika ta lefta gia to athliko kentro kai ta lefta auta xaristikan apo ti nun dioikisi, i kalutera den diekdikithikan kai dwthike afesi amartiwn ston bat.
swsta den einai 6dis alla to polu 4M euro. alla einai liga?

Paidia, gia na valw ligo th suzhthsh se allo plaisio, to provlhma me ta thleoptika ksekina aploustata apo to anuparkto nomiko plaisio sto opoio leitourgei to eurwpaiko podoasfairo. Se opoiadhpote allh SOBARH podosfairikh (kai oxi mono) xwra, einai adunaton na poulhsei omada ta dikaiwmata ths se etairia h opoia meta me ths seira ths ta diapragmeteuetai kai ta poulaei se thleoptika kanalia, otan megalometoxos sthn PAE kai sthn mesazousa etairia einai to idio atomo. Einai apla pragmata. Giati tote poulaw egw ws "PAOK PAE" me 1 dis sthn etairia MOY kai meta poulaw gia 6 dis ton ALPHA. To ekswfreniko einai oti kanenas den antedrase tote me thn anakoinwsh ths sumfwnias (kai den ennow mono tous opadous alla kuriws thn politeia kai ta dikastika organa).

[tiore]

themis.... to na paizeis xwris anhos to thewrw kalo kai oxi kako, to oti wrimase o kosmos epishs kalo , arkei na einai pragmatiki wrimotita kai oxi ypnos...
den einai ypotimitiko na peis oti pigame kala giati paixame apeleutherwmenoi apo to anhos allwn etwn, magia einai kai ayto... egw analysa apo tin diki mou optiki giati o PAOK katafere to kati parapanw fetos apo ayta pou perimename.

oson afora ta 6 dis pou ginane 1 kai meta kanena kai genika gia tis sheseis tis simerinis dioikhsh me theious, batiroudides kai venizelous egw tha sas pw ti mou thimizei oli ayth i istoria

to pasok dia stomatos papandreou fwnaze teli tis deetia tou 70 gia diafthora gia spatali gia klepsies tou laou ktl... yposhotan  oti tha tous kinigisei olous  otan ginei exousia... den kinigise kanenan fisika... dioti ta idia ekane kai ayto stin deyterh tetraetia...
ta idia ekane o mitsotakis se mikrotero vathmo kai den thimame pali kanenan na pige filaki sta 2.5 xronia pou kivernise...
ta idia kai heirotera kai o  hontros pou mas zalise ta arhidia me tin diaploki 6 xronia...eidate eseis kana thema peri diaplokis na sizitiete pouthena? ma ti na sizitithei, edw milame tha tous evaze olous filaki o xontros...hdh arhisane na xtizoune nea pteriga sto koridalo

loipon mages, gnwsta einai ayta kai etsi leitourgousan kai tha leitourgoun panta... gia na kathgoreis kai na kinigiseis kapion den arkei mono na eheis agnes protheseis alla na eisai kai timios mexri to kokalo...
otan eisai ta idia skata ( ligo ligotero ligo perisotera den ehei kai simasia ) kathese isiha kai wraia kai to voulwneis afou de se pairnei

twra tha mou peite kai ti na kaname? gia dialisi pigainame...

egw den simfwnw..pisteuw oti o PAOK ehei toso megali dinamiki pou stin simerini elladitsa otan o kosmos tou ginei ena mporei na alaxei kiverniseis. ekei einai i dikh mas euthini omws gia na leme ta pragmata me to onoma tous

oso gia to poso noikokirides einai ayto tha to doume stin poreia akoma den eidame tipota, xwris ton aggelo oyte ena mina den tha antehan... tote tha vlepate tin noikokiria tous...
kai to na eisai noikokiris ehei amesh sxesh me to ti spitiko diaheirizesai, otan eheis ena spiti me noiki 50E anti gia 500 E pou eihe o prohgoumenos enoikiastis kai pistwsh se deh ote ktl eheis kapies avantes den nomizete? kai ...trwei kai ligotero h oikogeneia min xehniomaste...

diladi ti perimenate na parei tin omada o gpoumenos kai na trwei ta lefta pou den ehei o PAOK? ti allo mporouse na ginei re paidia diladi ektos apo ayto pou egine? pros tis olh auth i theopoihsh kai i megenthsh katastasewn?
egw prospathw na ta vlepw 100% antikeimenika ta pragmata den ehw kamia empatheia me kanenan... den mporw omws na min lew pragmata pou gnwrizw kai vlepw kathimerina
allo pragma i hara mas sto gipedo kai allo edw pera , ayta pou leme edw den legontai kai den tha prepei na legontai mesa sto gipedo , oyte se radia kai tv giati tha ginoun lastiho se aytous pou pragmatika theloun na kanoun kako stin omada, kai edw mesa pera apo tis diafwnies pou ehoume den nomizw na yparxei tetoio atomo.

kalo vradi

[tiore]

@chris, thanks gia ti metafrash re

eheis megali ypomonh esy telika re....

[gate4]

entaxei pali petas mia laspi kai ka8arisame.

file stef-den einai laspi, tin istoria tin exw pei kai sto chat, rwta to dikefalo na sto epibebaiwsei, exei akoustei kai sto radiofwno, tha ti matheis kai grapta se ligo diastima.

file oso i simerinoi dioikountes energoune opos energoune,
oso i simerini dioikisi taktopoiei ta xrei tis omadas gia
na einai mia sosti anonimi etairia me prooptiki,
oso i simerini dioikisi pratei auta pou epi8imei o proponitis mas,

ws edw eimaste sumfwnoi, apoluta. upopsin omws oti ta xrei tis omadas einai 2 eidwn. einai ta xrei pou einai apaitita mesw uefa kai mesw fifa, ta opoia tha ta briskeis sunexws mprosta sou KAI EPEIDI DEN MPORW NA KANW SYNEXWS TO MALAKA GIA TELEYTAIA FORA GRAFW pws einai para polu kales oi kiniseis tous. kai einai kai ta xrei pros to dimosio kai tous allous, gia ta opoia nai men exoune dwsei suggxwroxarti (katanpow plirws to plaisio sumbibasmou pou exeis anaptuksei) apo tin alli omws den ta analambanoun. oso i politeia den ta zitaei kalws. alla einai kati pou kremetai panw apo ton PAOK kai den mporeis na kleiseis ta matia. esu mporeis. egw oxi.

oso i simerini dioikisi exei exafanismena olla ta lamogia autis
tis polis,

se oti afora tis meteggrafes tous exei adeiasei olous o aggelos kai pros timin tis i dioikisi akolouthise. kai akolouthei. alla den tous exei eksafanisei. diabase ti sunthesi tou periodikou tis pae PAOK. tous exei dwsei olous stegi. einai mesa sta plaisia tis politikis tous. katanoito. apla den sumfwnw. toso apla.
alla se epipedo metaggrafwn tous exei eksafanisei. auto epidiwkame oloi mas. elpizw estw ki apo sponta na diabazeis tin efimerida tou sundesmou mou.

oso i simerinoi dioikisi den ipokiptei se ekbiasmous tou parel8ontos,

den blepw an ufistatai kanenas ekbiasmos parelthontos. ti ennoeis?

toso kai ego den 8a exo kanena dikaioma na min tous stirixo.

oute ki egw. kai en blepw pou den tous exw stiriksei. pigaine rwta ton papabramidi gia to poios einai o sundesmos pou poulise to 20% twn diarkeias tin persuni xronia kai plirwse amesa ola ta lefta mexri teleutaio euro tis metritois. se mia polu duskoli oikonomiki sugkuria kai gia tin kathimerini zwi kai gia ton PAOK. kai posoi kai pioi zitousane 10% promitheia sta diarkeias, posoi plirwsane ta diarkeias me epitages kai posoi ta pirane sto 60% tis timis.
aaa, episis pigainei rwta kai ton anastasiadi. einai polu eukolo.
kai an thes pame kai mazi. kanena problima. na se pei an i G4 stirizei i xantakwnei ton PAOK. kalutera pigaine monos. gia na min exeis kai kamia amfibolia oti mporei i parousia mou na epireasei tin katastasi.

pisteuo oti osoi kanoun to anti8eto i parapliroforimenoi einai
i exoun xasei ta kone stous diadromous ton grafeion i
epi8imoun TIN PRAGMATIKI EPANAFORA SE MERES BATATOUDI
OPOU OLLOI KALA PERNOUSAN , KAI O PAOK XALIA.

tis meres tou bat polloi pernousan kala. egw omws oxi. egw tin plirwsa kai to plirwnw akoma kai me sernoune akoma sta dikastiria, ENW ESENA pou den gnwrizeis kapoia pragmata (kai den to lew me kaki ennoia) KAI MERIKOYS EKSYPNAKIDES TIS PLAKAS KAI MERIKA TAGARAKIA, ekeines oi meres tous prosperasan xwris kanena simadi.
OTAN THA KSYPNISEIS ENA PRWI KAI THA DEIS TO ONOMA SOY NA KSEFTILIZETAI STIS EFIMERIDES EPEIDI TOLMISES NA PAS ANTITHETA STO REYMA KAI NA KRAKSEIS TO BAT OTAN TO 90% APO ESAS TON XEIROKROTOYSATE, TOTE NA SE DW MAGKA.
OTAN THA SE MATHOYN OI ASFALITES ME TO MIKRO SOY ONOMA KAI THA PERNOYN TILEFWNO TON PATERA SOY TOTE NA SE DW.
kai auta giati?
giati den thelisame na parei to gipedo, giati krazame tin auksiseis metoxikou kefalaiou pou kanane ton PAOK fouska, giati grapsame gia tis etaireies pisw apo tis etairies pou itan pisw apo tis etairies, giati krazame autous pou estelne o kokkalis na kanoun agrotiko ston PAOK, giati krazame tous kasimatides kai paei legontas.
mias kai eisai filos tis istorias kai twn arxeiwn, tha frontisw na se ikanopoiisw sto prosexes mellon.
ALLA ALLES TETOIES MALAKIES DEN PROKEITAI NA ANEXTHW. EILIKRINA SE MILAW. mporeis na me rwtiseis kat' idian oti thes. alla prwta rwta kai meta grapse oti thes dimosia.
TELEYTAIA FORA.

[stef]

gate-4 se osa grafeis boro aneta na se apantiso- se OLLA.
apla to 8ema me exei kourasei toso ,pou protimo na
min xana asxolio8o , toulaxiston os pros tou parontos.
alloste iparxoun sovarotera pragmata me ta opoia 8elo
na asxoloume kai pou aforoun tin PAOKARA.
esei sinexise sto diko sou bioli .
dikaioma sou.
alloste olloi krinomaste .

[gate4]

ki egw s' agapaw file stef ;-). elpizw na apantiseis se ola ta themata ena-pros ena opws mono esu ksereis (kai den einai katholou eirwniko auto).
apla epeidi psilokatalabainw oti den me polusikwnei to klima tha perioristw apo edw kai pera mono stin anagnwsi kai tin epikoinwnia mesw IM.
Den prokeitai na sas enoxlisw me to bioli mou, alli fora. kalo mesimeri oti kalutero ston kathenan apo sas ksexwrista kai ta ksanaleme, kapou, kapws, kapote.


Punk rockers, hip-hoppers
Brit poppers, show stoppers
Beboppers, hair droppers
Are you ready to sing?

Right wing, left wing
I want something
To see me through (???)
Bout what do you think

We ain't gonna be treated like trash
We got one thing
We are the Clash
What?
We are the Clash
It's like a patch
You can strike that match

With my guitar now
(???) last dance
I see them where they (???)
How they usually stay

Beating on a drum
Did they tell them 'take it in'
Got the (???)
Where the fat boy blew

We ain't gonna be treated like trash
We got one thing
We are the Clash
That's right
We are the Clash
It's like a patch
You can strike that match

Home fires burnin'
In motorcycle city
The rockin' gods will choose
If I'm worthy to live
The first (???) engine
(???) forty-six
And there's no more (???)
To imitate respect

We ain't gonna be treated like trash
We got one thing
We are the Clash
Don't take no shit
We are the Clash
Do ya hear me?
It's like a patch
You can strike that match


THAT'S ALL FOLKS

SEMPRE FORZA MAGICO PAOK!!!

[stef]

tin kaliteri apantisi edoses.
as vgaloume gousta me tin OMADARA mas.
alloste toso tin grinia oso kai tin mizeria tin bare8ikame.

apo tin pleura mou afierono to
"Were a happy family"
apo ramones,
se ollous tis PAOKARES tis gis.

[wivenhoe]

Tha ithela na ekfrasw tin apolyti ikanopoiisi moy gia to epipedo pou kratate kai na sas parotrynw na synehisete na "plakwneste" paoktsidika opws se afto kai se alla topics.
Gia mas poy diavazoyme to forum kai exoyme tis idies apories kai agwnies me sas, einai hrisimo na mathainoyme afta poy den grafontai i sxoliazontai me afton ton tropo apo fyllades, radia kai alla mesa (para)pliroforisis.

Kai mia kai vlepw oti merikoi anikoyn se mia meiopsifia pou eftyhws de leei na pethanei edw kai dekaeties:

White youth, black youth
Better find another solution
Why not phone up Robin Hood
And ask him for some wealth distribution

Punk rockers in the UK
They won't notice anyway
They're all too busy fighting
For a good place under the lighting

The new groups are not concerned
With what there is to be learned
They got Burton suits, ha you think it's funny
Turning rebellion into money

(one possible version, while several others apply)
Some new fans  are not concerned
With what there is to be learned
They got Juventus shirts, ha you think it's funny
Turning rebellion into money

"White man in Hammersmith Palais"

PAOK GERA
Nasaste kala

[Suicidal]

  :hb:
 MHPOS TELIKA PREPEI NA KSANAZWNTANEPSEI TO PARAKATW *Music* TOPIC ?  
 
 http://www.paokworld.com/paokworldboard/index.php?board=5;action=display;threadid=136

[DarkLord]

o goumenos epistrefei stin proedria, afou athoothike, episis o vieri girise stin Juve (asxeto )

[stef]

kala wivenhoe... apo ta agapimena mou tragoudia
einai to "white man..."
imnos !!
telika ti ginetai ..??.. mipos prepei na ftiaxoume kai kana
fun-club ton CLASH..??  

p.s.: oi metallades pou kribonai..??
      etsi kai allios apoteloun tin pleiopsifeia...i mipos oxi..??
     

[petrovgr]

Mexri twra osoi askousan steira antipoliteysi stin dioikisi mas elegan pws den mporoume na empisteytoume anthrwpous pou exoun katadikastei gia oikonomika egklimata.Twra pou kai ayto apotelei parelthon elpizw na teleiwsoun oi dixonoies kai na tous afisoume na kanoun to ergo pou lene oti mporoun

[tiore]

STEIRA ANTIPOLITEUSH?

se pious anaferese? se ayta pou grafoume edw mesa? stin alitiki ..se pious...den mporei na grafoume arades kai si na petas mia kouventa etsi re file...oxi kai etsi...

me to paramikro haraktirizete atoma pou den ta xerete ... kai tis protheseis toys...

opios den ehei apopsi kai ti na pei, petaei mia malakia typou "eiste mizeroi" kai nomizei oti katharise

mizeroi einai autoi pou theloun tin exigiansi ... (kai milame  kiriws gia ithiki  exigiansi kai oxi oikonomikh ...na xeroume kai ti leme) tou PAOK?

kai oi ypoloipoi ti einai ...

mipws vlepoun kai pisteuoun ayta pou tous simferei kai theloun na pisteuoyn? oi pio poloi otan milame gia kati pou den mas simferei (sxeseis me theio, katadikes goumenou ktl ..alazoun kouventa... alla logia na agapiomaste diladi) kai den ginete mono edw mesa , geniko einai to kako ...
ehete tin entypwsh oti se emas einai euxaristo na asholoumaste me ola ayta?

emeis @petrov den prospathoume na stamathsoume kanenan apo to na kanei ti douleia tou, kai se teliki sto gipedo pame, stirizoume ton PAOK kai oxi tis dioikiseis toy ..kai ayto akrivws einai pou den goustarw na ekmetaleyontai...

[kostas4]

emeis @petrov den prospathoume na stamathsoume kanenan apo to na kanei ti douleia tou, kai se teliki sto gipedo pame, stirizoume ton PAOK kai oxi tis dioikiseis toy ..kai ayto akrivws einai pou den goustarw na ekmetaleyontai...

etsi einai.kaneis den einai teleios kai polla pragmata stin dioikisi vrwmane.kaneis den leei na tous diwxoume alla prepei na tous elegxoume kai ligo.opoia dioikisi kai na einai emeis tha pame sto gipedo.alla kati 15eura gia tin 4 me tin dikaiologia tou cl...diladi tou xronou sto cl an perasoume me to kalo ti times tha xtypane.emena den me noiazei na dwsw kai 5 eurw parapano alla kapoia pragmata opws tin ekmetaleusi den ta goustarw.

stirizoume tin omada kai oxi tin dioikisi.