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Γενικά Θέματα => Γενικό Forum - General Forum => Κόσμος-κοινωνία => Topic started by: petrovgr on December 27, 2003, 03:54:15
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Ftanei loipon o kairos tis proeklogikis periodou kai tha doume to palio gnwrimo skiniko...
Politikoi-epanastates,politikoi-timwroi,politikoi-ippotes tou diastimatos kai trexa gyreue
To politiko systima apo adiaforo ekselissetai se emetiko,etsi pou to apolitiko mas exei kyriepsei entelws.Oloi apo ton prwto mexri ton teleytaio politi tin idia gnwmi metaferoun: ti noima exei an psifisw ton enan i ton allon? tha epireasei mipws ti zwh mou? pali tha me gamane... kai den exei kai adiko...
Se syzitisi pou eixa me enan kai kala megalo kathigiti panepistimiou,mou elege oti tha eprepe oi Ellhnes na psifisoun ena komma pou na asxoleitai apokleistika me tin oikologia...
Oi limenergates lene oti tha prepei na ginei laiki eksegersi kai na kapsoun ti vouli... Kati alloi oti h Ellada eprepe na apokefalizei lathrometanastes...
Kai stin teliki poios thriamvevei? H noikokyra pou vlepei ti lampsi kai o ypallilakos pou pairnei 3.60,o mpatsos pou vazei th zwh tou se kindyno gia mia kwlosyntaksi pou tha parei,o malakas aprosdioristos tineitzer pou einai pwrwmenos me tin pasokara h thn n.d. kai den pairnei tipota...
Enas vourkos skatou kai mesotitas...aytoi vgazoun tin kyvernisi tsakalia...
Oi arxaioi pisteyan oti ola ta politeymata eixan tin fthora tous kai tin alloiwsi: H alloiwsh ths vasileias einai h tyrannia,h alloiwsh ths aristokratias einai h ploutokratia, h alloiwsh ths dimokratias h oxlokratia... Mia tetoia oxlokratia panw katw de zoume kai simera?
Sou leei ''kyrie eisai eleytheros na peis o,ti goustareis.Ma o,ti goustareis.Alla na ksereis,o,ti kai na kaneis h na peis,egw se exw grammeno kai tha kanw ayto pou thelw''. Den pa na diamartyritheis,den pa na diadilwseis,den pa na spaseis...
Spaei to systima ayto?
Poly dyskola... antitheti mallon einai h poreia tou.Diladi olo kai pio fyta pame na ginoume oloi,olo kai pio idioi,olo kai pio adiaforoi gia kathe politiki praksi.Theloune na mas kanoun olous san tous ypallilous sta goody's pou einai oloi ntymenoi idioi kai lene ta idia synexeia.
Doulepse san ton gamioli,xrewsou na pareis daneio,vges to savvato kai pali apo tin arxi.Se ena taxi synantisa proxtes ena pallikari kai mou leei ''ola anousia re file... vgaineis pineis gyrnas les kai to kaneis mixanika''
Kai mixaniki pleon exei ginei kai i psifos mas...
me tin pseydaisthisi tis epilogis odigoumaste se mia synexizomeni politiki eksomoiwsis twn pantwn.
Oson afora tin IDEA mas, pali pianetai sta vrwmiarika sagonia tou kathe gravatwmenou pou nomizei oti askei eksousia.Proeklogika vrethike kai kala lysi ston paok,opws to kserokommato pou petakse se oles tis megales omades ''to kalo pasok'' gia na deiksei kai kala oti endiaferetai gia ton athlitismo.Kai ayto pou mou ti spaei einai oti oloi mas to dexomaste ws fysiologiko... oti diladi ti na kanoume ayto prepei na ginei...
PAIRNEI WS LAOS O PAOK AYTO POU TOU AKSIZEI APO THN KYVERNISI???
MH MOU PEI KANEIS NAI...
KAI TOTE ESY RE MALAKA PAOKTSI,GIATI THA PAS NA THN KSANAVGALEIS KYVERNISI??? GIA NA TIN KSANAKRAKSEIS ENA MINA ARGOTERA KAI NA TIN KSANAPSIFIZEIS MEXRI NA PARADWSEIS TO PNEYMA???
Tha pei o allos, kala re file tha psifisw me vash thn omada mou? NAI RE NA PSIFISEIS!!! Oxi ws apokleistiko kritirio vevaia,alla na ta valeis kai ligo katw kai na deis: ta savatokyriaka sou den ta ksodeyeis gia tin omada sou? de se feygoun 30 eyrw toulaxiston tin evdomada gia tin omada sou? de xairesai na les oti tin ypostirizeis? de theleis na thn deis na diekdikei politika ayta pou ths aksizoun? TOTE GIATI OTAN EINAI NA PSIFISEIS TIN VAZEIS STIN MPANTA?
Egw ayto den mporw na to katalavw... Kai tha psifisw skeptomenos KAI ton paok.Giati den kserw an milaw mono gia ton eayto mou,alla ton paok den goustarw na ton vlepw ton tetartopempto pou POTE den prokeitai na ginei oute prwtos oute ektos.Kapote prepei na ginei mia arxi...
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@petrovgr
simfono file mu sxedon se ola osa proaneferes ala pisteuo mu einai oti opios kai na vgi ta idia skata tha exume (sta athlitika kai sta politika vevea).
ekino pu me treleni kai me vazi se skepsis einai oti tora exume 6(an den kano lathos)pano kato vuleutes pu katexun simantikes thesis apo edo pu tus psifizume emis pu tus exume vgali EMEIS kai eimaiste skata kai aposkata kai aporo ama den tus eixame ti tha ginotane.
tora to pasok tha fai poli mauro apo oti fainete eite psifisume vasi omadas eite oxi pu kai sindiasmo na ta kano gia na apofasiso ego prosopika pasok den prokite na psifiso xoris na pisteuo oti tha iparksun rizikes allages eite apo pleuras n.d. eite opiudipote allu komatos.
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To oti o PAOK einai tetartopemptos file petrogvr
exw tin entipwsi oti ofeiletai kyriws
stis metries ikanotites
oikonomikes+organwtikes olwn oswn exoune asxolithei
me tin omada apo to telos tis megalis dekaetias
tou 70 kai meta.
Den pistevw oti einai politko to ftaiksimo.
I dimokratia opws les exei ekfilistei simera,oxi
giati den iparxoune aksioi politkoi(pou ontws den
iparxoune kai polloi) file alla epeidi
o kosmos eklegei kai ipostirizei tous iparxontes.
Giati den iparxei SIMMETOXI tou kosmou file
sta koina.Giati o kosmos exei apoxavnwthei apo realities
apo mpouzoukia apo stoiximata.
Kai na sou pw tin amartia mou den goustarw
na vlepw 20000 kosmo na katevainei stous dromous
gia ton PAOK kai na min vlepw POTE,KANENAN
na katevainei na diekdikisei metro,dromous,parking,parka.
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Prin riksoume loipon to ftaiksimo se politikantides
as koitaksoume kai tis dikes mas efthines,einai to prwto vima
gia na kanoume kati kalitero.
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Pantos kai to na bgenis stus dromus pia,den exi na prosferi kati.Exun perasi oi epoxes opu oi pories mporusan n allaksun ta pramata
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To oti o PAOK einai tetartopemptos file petrogvr
exw tin entipwsi oti ofeiletai kyriws
stis metries ikanotites
oikonomikes+organwtikes olwn oswn exoune asxolithei
Diladi re paidia H aek eixe organwtikes kai oikonomikes dynatotites persi kai propersi kai vgike sto champions league?
Proswpikh apopsh: An h AEK den itan stin athina kai den htan sta kentra apofasewn,den tha ypirxe sto xarti.
Alla gia na mi milame ypothetika,to ''smprwksimo'' tis politeias einai pasifanes! Ton gayro ton exoun iso tou kratous,O vazelos monimos deyteros,h aek smprwxnetai me nyxia kai me dontia skandalwdws (vlepe kalokairi me xreh kai ghpedo) gia na kratithei trith dynami kai emas mas smprwxoun toso oso OUTE NA SPASOUME THN TRIADA,ALLA OUTE KAI NA DIALYTHOUME.AYTOS EINAI O PAOK ME TA DEKANIKIA NA FAINONTAI STO SWMA TOU... tous allous tous exoun grammenous... poios na asxolithei me areianous h gries as poume.Einai amelitees posotites.
Ksts symfwnw sto oti prepei na anazitisoume se mas prwta tis aities apo to na katigoroume me to daxtylo kathe politikanti.Kai epeidh goustarw pou eisai anthrwpos pou anazita tis aities prwta ston eayto tou (aytos paei mprosta outws h allws),des EMAS,to lao tou paok.Den deixnoume pragmatika SYMVIVASMENOI me to gegonos oti eimaste to tetarto parapaidi tou Kokkalistan? ayto einai pou me trellainei...
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Κάποτε, μπορεί κάπου μια μέρα
να δεις το δίκιο μέσα από ένα στόχο στον αέρα
θα είναι ήδη όμως αργά γιατί θα 'χουν χαθεί τόσοι
από τη μόλυνση, απ' τη μόδα, από μια ισχυρή δόση
Από τον πάτο ως την κορφή αυτή η ζωή βρωμάει
και ξέρω πώς να επιβιώνω γιατί έχω γίνει τομάρι
Κατάλαβέ το, μάνα, δε γυρίζω πίσω
δε θα τα τινάξω, μα ούτε κι έτσι θα τ' αφήσω
Η οργή είναι ένα διάστημα κλεισμένο στ' αυτιά
αυτές τις μέρες πρέπει να φωνάζεις δυνατά
Με ταϊζουν βλακείες και περιμένουν να χωνέψω
Κοιτάζω τον κόσμο, δεν ξέρω τι να πιστέψω
μα ο θεός είναι δυνατός, μου ανοίγει τα μάτια
Να σ' αγαπώ πιο πολύ, να σε φυλάω από την κακία
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Κάποτε, μπορεί κάπου μια μέρα
από τη θέση που είσαι να πας λίγο πιο πέρα
θα είναι ήδη όμως αργά γιατί θα 'χεις διώξει άλλους
από μια θέση στη ζωή, απ' τον πλανήτη Γη
Μια αγελάδα σε μια αφίσα στέκει μολυσμένη
αντανακλάται στα γυαλιά σου και μετά από λίγο φεύγεις
Ο χρόνος σου τελειώνει, λες "η μέρα αυτή πάει"
μα ο χρόνος επιστρέφει κι εσύ λες τα ίδια πάλι
Λες "τώρα μπορώ ν' αλλάξω, μα είναι ήδη αργά"
και αφήνεις τη ζωή σου να πνιγεί στα ρηχά
Οι πιο πολλοί αποφεύγουν να σε κοιτάξουν στα μάτια
στο πίσω κάθισμα γλυστρούν και πνίγουν τα δάκρυα
Μην αφήσεις τη ζωή να σε πάρει από κάτω
τους φόβους που σε τρέφουν να τους κάνεις κάτι άλλο
κάνε τους ποίηση ή μηχανήματα σπουδαία
Μη γυρνάς την πλάτη, μη ζεις στο ψέμα
πολέμησε το άδικο και κάθε είδους βία
σκέψου θετικά και μη γελάς με ηλίθια αστεία
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ΣΤΕΡΕΟ ΝΟΒΑ-ΗΛΙΘΙΑ ΑΣΤΕΙΑ (1992)
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Gate 4 mias kai eisai ekproswpos tis thyras 4 ithela na se rwtisw kati.
To asteri pou exei aristera panw h efhmerida ''thyra 4'' einai ayto pou katalavainw?
Giati ayto to shma einai xaraktiristiko twn antartikwn aristerwn sxhmatwn p.x. kourdistan
H kammia sxesh?
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ΚΑΜΙΑ ΑΠΟΛΥΤΩΣ ΣΧΕΣΗ ΜΕ ΚΟΥΡΔΙΣΤΑΝ, ΚΑΦΡΙΣΤΑΝ, ΑΖΕΡΜΠΑΪΤΖΑΝ.
είναι κάτι σαν logo μαζί με τον αετό του τιμημένου (αυτόν που έχει το πανό που μπαίνει πάνω στη 4Α).
το υιοθετήσαμε κάπου στα τέλη του 80, αρχές του 90 και μετά μας έμεινε και το καθιερώσαμε, τρόπον τινά.
έχει ένα είδος επαναστατικού αέρα αλλά δεν έχει καμιά σχέση με κόμματα, παρατάξεις, πολιτικές πεποιθήσεις κοκ.
αποτελεί απαράβατη αρχή του συνδέσμου να μην έχει ΚΑΜΙΑ ΑΠΟΛΥΤΩΣ σχέση με τέτοια πράγματα.
έχουμε μέλη αριστερούς, δεξιούς, μεσαίους, αριστεροδέξιους, δεξιοαριστερούς, άσπρους, μαύρους, πορτογάλλους, εβραίους, τσιγγάνους, σαμουράι, νίντζα, χριστιανούς, βουδιστές, άθεους.
ο σφ σέβεται τις ιδαιτερότητες του καθενός και αυτοί σέβονται το σφ και δεν "κουβαλάνε" τις ιδαιτερότητές τους στο σφ.
εκεί υπάρχουν μόνο 4 γράμματα.
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ΠΑΟΚ
τα 4 γράμματα που σε έλεγα πιο πάνω
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Gate4- Otan grafeis, auta pou grafeis einai dika sou h ths Gate4?
Ean einai dika sou, den tha htan kalutera na zbiseis to "Ekprosopos ths Gate 4" apo to description sou? Borei mia mera na paraksigiseis kapion kai na kaneis kako sto onoma tou syllogou sou....
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pedes i imerominia oristike kai emis kalumaste na apodixume oti den eimastan mono logia kai einai sto xeri mas na diksume oti o laos tu PAOK DEN EINAI MONO LOGIA asxeta me to komma pu ipostirizi.
7 MARTIU i ora tis alithias i ora na steilume ton kathe katergari ston pago tu.KAI EINAI STO XERI MAS EITE NA DIKSUME OTI EIMASTAN MONO LOGIA EITE OTI KRATAME TO LOGO MAS KAI DEIXNUME TIN ANTIDRASI MAS.
PS.epidi xero oti miazi me politiko kirigma kai propaganda (kai distixos den vrisko allo tropo na metafero afta pu skeftome) thelo na toniso kati oti an kapios einai karga aristeros????(iparxi tetio pragma ti simeron imera?) kai den theli na aparnithi to komma tu pu ton frontizi kai ton skeftete 2 mines prin kai 2 mines(kai poli evala) meta tis ekloges mpori kalista na maurisi kapius ipurgus pu efthinonte gia pola GIA PARA POLLA TINA STIN OMADA MAS.
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kata protimhsh mou opios paei kai psifisei as ksexasei ta aristera kai ta deksia... psifise oti sou paei kai oxi oti klhronomhses!!
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kata protimhsh mou opios paei kai psifisei as ksexasei ta aristera kai ta deksia... psifise oti sou paei kai oxi oti klhronomhses!!
poli sosto kai afto
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question by Ouzounis
Gate4- Otan grafeis, auta pou grafeis einai dika sou h ths Gate4?
Ean einai dika sou, den tha htan kalutera na zbiseis to "Ekprosopos ths Gate 4" apo to description sou? Borei mia mera na paraksigiseis kapion kai na kaneis kako sto onoma tou syllogou sou....
τα γραφόμενα μου φίλε Ουζούνη είναι δύο κατηγοριών.
α) προσωπικά
β) του Συνδέσμου Φίλων ΠΑΟΚ Θύρα 4
νομίζω πως κάποιος εύκολα μπορεί κανείς να ξεχωρίσει σε ποιά από τις δύο κατηγορίες κατατάσσεται και το κάθε post μου.
όταν μιλάω για το ΣΦ μιλάω σαν εκπρόσωπός του, όταν μιλάω για τον εαυτό μου, μιλάω σαν Κώστας.
προσωπικά δεν θα είχα κανένα πρόβλημα να μην υπάρχει ο συγκεκριμένος προσδιορισμός του εκπορσώπου, αλλά τα παιδιά του paokworld το θεωρούν καλύτερο και να σε πω την αλήθεια, κι εγώ το ίδιο.
όταν ξεκίνησα να παρακολουθώ και να γράφω στο paokworld συνάντησα πολλές ανακρίβειες σε διάφορα γραφόμενα που είχαν να κάνουνε με το ΣΦ και νομίζω ότι πλέον έχει αποκατασταθεί μια ισορροπία.
ο ΣΦ είναι κομμάτι του ΠΑΟΚ και έχει μια 27+χρονη δράση σε ότι αφορά τα πράγματα του ΠΑΟΚ. άλλες φορές η δράση αυτή ήταν λάθος, άλλες σωστή.
το θέμα είναι να έχει την ευκαιρία να απαντάει σε ερωτήσεις, κρίσεις και σχόλια ΠΑΟΚτσήδων, πόσο μάλλον ΠΑΟΚτσήδων που δεν έχουν την ευχαρίστηση να παρακολουθούν τον ΠΑΟΚ ζωντανά, έστω και σε θερμοκρασίες κάτω από το μηδέν.
τα σχόλια μου όταν αφορούν το ΣΦ είναι 100% σχόλια του ΣΦ. μέσα στο ΣΦ υπάρχουν διαφορετικές απόψεις σε διάφορα θέματα του ΠΑΟΚ, αλλά ο ΣΦ έχει μια θέση προς τον έξω κόσμο. για το πως διαμορφώνεται η θέση του αυτή, μπορείς να διαβάσεις σχετικά posts μου πιο πάνω.
και αν έχεις και κάποιες παραπάνω ερωτήσεις, εδώ είμαι και περιμένω να σε απαντήσω ευχαρίστως.
αλλά όταν απαντάω για το ΣΦ είναι σαν να απαντάει η ΠΠ Γερμανού 39. ΕΠΙΣΗΜΑ και με ονοματεπώνυμο.
ΣΦ ΠΑΟΚ ΘΥΡΑ 4
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Vasika o kathenas as paei na psifisei auto pou pragmatika ton ekfrazei.poly sosto auto pou leei o JOHNNYS-4-.An kapoios einai pasok kai den mporei na allaxei as allaxei vouleutes.Alla stin thessaloniki provlepetai megali diafora pasok-nd se sxesi me ta proigoumena xronia.
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Mipos xeri kapios an iparhi emvolimi agonistiki (mesovdomada)
tin evdomada prin/meta tis ekloges ??
An ne,kateveno na psifiso me 1000..........PAOKARA!
Theoro veveo oti ta koproskila tha navlosoun dorean aeroplana
-prasina ke galazia enoite-ke etsi tha boreso na tous mavriso
ke tous 2.M'ena sbaro dio trigonia ;D
PAOK PANTOU KE PANTA
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Ante re ekloges stis 7 martiou paides...
Emeis vevaia gia na erthoume apo eksw Ellada prepei na rthoume me tis tzampe ptiseis kai na graftoume se ena apo ta dyo ''thiria''.PWS TO KRINETE AYTO APO APOPSH DHMOKRATIKOTHTAS RE PAIDES??? KAI GAMW TIS DIMOKRATIES E???
vevaia oi ''politikes ekselikseis'' ''trexoun'''.Allaksame kai ''hgeth'' re tin pirate xampari? o eggonos tou eggonou.Ki o anipsios tou mpatzanaki.
kamarwste re...
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Sthn Ellada den psifizw giati exw kypriakh ypikoothta. Kai dhlwnw apo thn arxh oti eimai deksios gia na mhn exoume pare3hghseis. H 8esh pollwn oti prepei na faei mavro to PASOK gia na mhn mas kounietai emena den mou leei polla. To 8ema den einai PASOK h N.D. Se aytes tis ekloges prepei na perasoume to mhnyma oti mporoume na anebasoume h na katebasoume kybernhseis. Opws kaname tote me ton prodoth pou ton bgalame prwto dhmotiko symboulo kai as katebhke me to KKE etsi prepei na kanoume twra. Na ginei mia epilogh anamesa stous politeytes ths N.D. tou PASOK tou SYN tou KKE kai loipon kommatwn kai na psifistoun mono aytoi. An gia paradeigma o xontros den parei oute ena psifo apo paoktsi fantazestai pws 8a fanei ayto.
As mhn 3exname re magkes oti opoia kybernhsh kai na exoume pali o POK 8a kanei koumanta. An bgei h N.D. 8a arxisei pali na gamei o Vazelos, an synexisei to PASOK 8a synexistei to kokalistan. Emeis prepei aplws na dei3oume dynamh.
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Eimai periergos na dw ti' 8a ginei telika,se authn
thn eklogikh anametrhsh.
Arketes einai oi "pagides" kai auth th fora,polloi oi
anapofasistoi (an kai einai akoma,bebaia,nwris),h
elleipsh epixeirhmatwn kai or8ou politikou logou exoun hdh
kanei thn emfanish tous.
Eimai ths apopshs oti to megalutero meridio eu8unhs gia thn
monimws tetarth 8esh tou P.A.O.K. kai thn,edw kai polla xronia,elleipsh prwta8lhmatwn,thn feroun oi ekastote paragontes pou exoun asxolh8ei me thn omada kata kairous,
oi paixtes pou foresan to Dikefalo Aeto(kai,endexomenws,
den katalaban thn aksia ths prakshs tous,auths) kai,sigoura,
h elleipsh xrhmatwn(kai h kakh diaxeirhsh tous).
Thn epomenh twn eklogwn,eite to PA.SO.K. kerdisei,eite h
N.D. pisteuw pws den 8a allaksoun ta pragmata gia thn omada
mas.Eite o Benizelos bgei prwtos se pshfous,eite o Kouvelas,
to prwta8lhma 8a to kerdisoume monaxa,me tis nikes mas,mesa sto ghpedo.Oi uposxeseis gia epilysh twn problhmatwn ths omadas einai polles kai proerxontai apo ka8e parataksh.
Ean 8eloume,kapoia stigmh se auth th zwh,na panhgyrisoume
ena prwta8lhma kai mia sta8era,anodikh poreia tou P.A.O.K.,
ofeiloume na allaksoume nootropia.Egw,blepw enan Olympiako,monof8almo,na kyriarxei anamesa stous tyflous kai na syntribetai sthn Eurwph,mia A.E.K. na diasyretai apo mikromesaies omades ki omws,na mas nikaei 3-1(..),enan kakisto Pana8hnaiko pou mas "staurwnei" me 3-0(apisteuto).
Symfwnw,h omada apoteleitai,kyriws,apo mikra paidia pou twra gnwrizoun ti paei na pei "prwth omada" kai eilikrina,mpravo stous paixtes mas kai ston Aggelo ton PAOKtsh.
Ektimw pws opoio komma kai na kerdisei stis ekloges autes,
ta problhmata gia thn omada mas 8a eksakolou8hsoun na uparxoun.H',na to pw kalytera,h epilysh twn problhmatwn autwn einai aneksarthth apo th nikh tou PA.SO.K. h' ths N.D.
Fobamai pws auth h ermh tetarth 8esh exei eisel8ei sto paoktshdiko DNA kai makari na kanw la8os.
Filika -HANNEMAN.4-
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Simfono mazi sou Haneman..
Allo H Mpala...kai allo h Politikh.
To kako einai oti sthn Ellada, H politikh exei oso fanatismo exei kai to podosfairo... me "Opadous"..
Otan sou lene na "mauriseis" ton psifo sou stis ekloges, einai san na sou lene paizei o PAOK me REAL sthn TOUMBA kai den theloume na pas..
Edo einai lathos.
Exeis to dikeoma na psifiseis kai PREPEI na psifiseis....
Ana thelete na kanete zimia h parapono....na mazeutite kapou kai na kanete diamartiria...
To na les "tha "maurisw" to tade koma...epidi exoun gamisei ton PAOK....Einai praksei enos tembelh...
Yparxan polles eukairies na diksoume thn disarestia mas yiauta pou ginontai me ton PAOK alla mazeuontousan 100? 500? 1000? mono atoma?..
Giati??? Giati tote pou ginan sigkedroseis den eixame kosmo????
Ekei metraei giati eki tha akousth to parapono mas...
Ta xartaki me thn moutzoura tha ta baloun sta skoupidia kai den tha anaferthei pouthena.....
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@hanneman , ouzouni
re paidia mipos den xerete se pia xora zite?
ti lete tora stin ellada eimaste opu kiriarxi i pustia kai i rufiana ta rusfetia kai ta pare dose mipos ethelotiflite?
sigura kai oi ekastote paragontes exun megala meridia euthinis kai enas apo tus simantikoterus paragontes einai oti kinunte pio poli vasi tu komatos tus kai oxi vasi tu PAOK kai na pezis to katholiko podosfero pali stin ellada den tha se afisun na pas puthena ama den thelun den to xerete auto liges kiklopodies exume fai liges pusties mas exun kani.oloi kserume oti stin ellada den isxioi to rito ola fenonte/krinonte sto xorto.
kai o oros "maurisma" einai metaforikos dld den enoume pare to psifodeltio tu pasok kai grapse PAOK enoume psifise allon ipurgo i allo koma.
ti na po re paidia ama to koma sas exi volepsi toso kala kai di enas dio sigekrimenoi ipurgi psifiste tus (eki tha eiste dikeologimenoi tulaxiston apo ti dikia mu optiki gonia) opioi kai an einai.
tora kai ego exo pi oti opios kai na vgi den tha alaksi tpt ala den einai eki to thema , to thema einai na thapsis autus pu prepi mpas kai tin psiliastune oi epomenoi .mono etsi vazun mialo oi politikoi me to politiko kostos.
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;D
Ego ston Kanada.. :P
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Autor: Ouzounis Datum/Zeit: Heute um 19:40:11
Simfono mazi sou Haneman..
Allo H Mpala...kai allo h Politikh.
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egw pali diafwnw !! se alles xwres isws na isxei ayto "allo mpalla kai allo politiki" alla sthn ELLADA den to blepw !!
ola sxedon ola exoun sxesei me thn politikh! kai se ayto kyrios ftaime emeis o laos.. pou mas koroideyoun kai emeis ksana tous stelnoume sthn boulh wspou er8ei h proeklogikh periodos mas kanoun kamia xarh kok.
egw prosopika pisteyw opos eipe kai o ouzounis pou milise gia fanatismo sthn politiki sthn ellada einai entona to opadiko pneyma KAI sthn politiki.. ayto einai dystixos pollh kako gia ena kalo mellon.. allo h omada kai allo to komma.. oles oi omades paizoun mpalla ta kommata oxi !! to ena klebei to allo koroideyei ktl. h se klepsoun me to aristero h to deksi xeri to idio einai.. oloi eimaste ellhnes kai prepei na skeftomaste ellhnika kai oxi kommatika !!
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;D
Ego ston Kanada.. :P
;D
na sai kala
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gia na deite pws h politikh exei amesh sxesh me to podosfairo akouste to ekshs:politikos apo flwrina(den tha pw apo poia kommata) mas kanane prosfora san syndesmo an tous pshfisoume na mas exoune dwrean lewforia....!gia olo to xrono!apo thn mia ayto ki apo thn allh mas kobei tis ekdromes!!!!e oxi!!!!!mayro ston pousth ki an einai tou kaime kai to spiti!hehehehe safes to onoma pisteyw....pisteyw pws politikh kai podosfairo syndeontai me mia amfiroph sxesh.dhladh aytoi mas glyfoune gia na tous pshfisoume ...ki emeis tous pshfizoume gia na synexisoune na mas glyfoune!einai aplo!kai opoios nomizei pws oi politikoi den xwnontai sta tou podosfairou apatwntai oiktra!!!!ki yparxoune xilia dyo paradeigmata politikwn pou einai paragontes se pae!ayto kai mono nomizei katadeiknyei th sxesh politikhs podosfairou!exoune parei myrwdia pws exei pswmi ki exoune agistrwthei oloi panw .....
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Fantazomai pws ta paidia legontas
allo i politki kai allo to gipedo ennooune
min psifizete krinontas apo ta kone tis omadas sas
kai oxi oti oi politikoi den endiaferontai na exoune
pare dwse me tis omades.
Oloi oi politikoi ennoeitai theloune prosvasi
se dexamenes gemates psifous.
Ki oso pio megali einai mia deksameni toso
kalitera tha tis ferontai.
To thema einai o kosmos,emeis oi polloi pou
psifizoume,na katalavoume oti i psifos
einai atomiki praksi,einai apotelesma
atomikis prwtovoulias kai na min
simperiferomaste san maza xeiragwgisimi.
Stin Ellada distixws omws opws leei ki o petrogvr psifizeis
ton anipsio giati sou thimizei ton theio
kai ton gio giati sou thimizei ton mpampa,
psifizeis ton allon giati einai apo to xwrio sou
,topikistika diladi.Kamia politiki skepsi kai to apotelesma
einai i elleipsi oramatos.
Ouzounis se zilevw apistefta file mou,
kala na pernas ekei ston Canada :)
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Na mhn zhleuete re paidia!
Ase pou exoume -40 c edo kai meres ...(Me ton anemo).
Me olla ta strava ths Elladas, den yparxei kalutero meros. Rwtiste kai allous pou einai allou.
Ah re Malgara.....Me ta kounoupia sou.
:'(
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a re Malgara me ta kounoupia sou :D
apisteyti ataka...
Ontws paidia kai gw pou eimai makrya ena mono lew :
SAN TI SALONIKH DEN EXEI!!!
::)
antikeimenikotatos
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kala ama einai kapios na menei...ellada kai na min mporei na zhsei..ti na to kaneis ama h ellada einai omorfh kai exei gousta...apla na blepeis merikous allous na goustaroun enw esy prospa8eis na ziseis me 600 euro to mhna?kala einai ta logia alla apexoun poly apo thn praksh..
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kala..na mehn boume se tetoia sizhthsh...
Ego pantos, mono pou vriskomai 3000 xm makria apo thn Toumba me kanei kai stenaxorieme...
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Th legetai tora oti to PASOK prospathei na valei ton Kouda yia ypopsifio???
Thn paizei edo?
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Nai,to akousa ki egw.
Sizitietai edw kai kairo.Thelei na kalipsei to PASOK
tin diafora apo ND opote prospathei na mazepsei
PAOKtsidikes psifous mias kai i mpogia tou
Venizelou den pernaei pia.
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opios menei exw nostalgei tin ellada opios menei elada thelei na figei na glitwsei...
pantws 2-3 filoi pou ehw menoune xronia exw (gallia, agglia)kai ta legane ayta , ta teleutaia xronia to kopsane kai alaxane tropario... kalitera lene stin kryokoli gallia me 900 euro epidoma anergias gia dio xronia kai me douleia exasfalismeni oti wra goustaroune me 1200 para ellada na psahnoune 1 xrono na vroune ypaliloi me 550 euro kai yperwries tou kerata...
mages wraia i ellada alla na min trelenomaste , tinagapame giati einai to spiti mas , yparhoune omorfoteres xwres me kaliterous antrwpous kai kalitera koinwniko-politika sistimata na zisei kaneis...teleia den einai pouthena alla edw i katastash ehei arxisei kai xefeuvgei
kai to lew kyriws sta paidia pou zoune exw kai ehoune sto myalo tous mia elada prin apao 10 kai 20 xronia
i xwra einai se telma oikonomika , an vgaleis exw ton dimosio ypalilo pou koutsa strava tin vgazei o idiwtis einai axiolipitos...
ARGENTINI tha ginoume se mia pentaetia, oute i EE mas swzei oute kaneis... i katastasi einai mi anastrepsimi... ta sentoukia kai ta xwrafia ginane metohes stin ergas :P , ta psemata teliwsane, ta spitia twn papoudwn kai oi lires apo tin katohi fagwthikane sta kazina kai sta mpouzoukia
twra o ipalilakos ehei 550 gia na plirwsei 1000 pou einai ta exoda tou..poso tha antexei akoma?
en telei na tin hesw tin elada me tis omorfies tis( pou etsi ki alliws mono se foto tha tis vlepoume ap edw kai pera) kai to elliniko filotimo pou egw prwsopika pote den katalava ti dialo pargma einai kai pou vriskete
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ARGENTINI tha ginoume se mia pentaetia,
Don't cry for me Argentinaaaaaaaaaaaaaa....
Tifla na 'hi o Nostradamos re megale !!!
PAOK PANTOU KE PANTA
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pes ta re tiore. giati merikoi nomizoun oti zoume ston paradeiso. mexri kai gia USA ton valkanion eho akousei!!! tha mas trellanoun autoi. me to 40% tou energou plithismou dimosious ipallilous, se liga xronia oxi argentini alla perou tha ginoume (teofilo koubilias kai ramon quiroga!!). me ola (osa iparxoun diladi) ta fraga mazemena stin xabouza, perimenoun anaptixi kai @@ kalavrezika. pou pame re???
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pol bannon - O Vomvistis tou IRA
me trelene autos o athlitis ;D
me vazeis se skepseis twra na alazw nick, lew na to kanw miki kouin i tsaousila :P
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sinenteyksi Kouda sta nea gia tis ekloges kai oxi mono ..
http://ta-nea.dolnet.gr/neaweb/nta_nea.print_unique?e=A&f=17846&m=N55&aa=1
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katse re filaraki tiore giati ta isopedwses poly ta pramata mou fainetai...
H Ellada einai mia eyrwpaiki xwra h opoia se sxesi me tis ypoloipes vrisketai sti legomeni ''mesi'' katastasi.As to xontrynoume parapanw: as poume oti eimaste stous mikromesaious tis eyrwpis.Sigoura den anikoume sto skliro pyrina gallias-germanias oute exoume to aggliko kyros.Den eimaste omws h teleytaia trypa tou zourna etsi opws to les...
H Eyrwpi mas edwse kefalaia (koinotika plaisia stiriksis) ta opoia ta ependysame se megala erga (kai lamogies).Ta lefta ayta vevaia mas ta pairnei pisw kai me to parapanw,den einai da kai malakes...
Omws me tin diakinisi kefalaiwn kai tin ekmetalleysi tous dieykolynontai megales ploutoparagwgikes monades tis xwras,opws to emporio,h gewrgia,h ktinotrofia,o tourismos.
PROS THEOU den einai o topos twn oneirwn tou kathenos.Exei terastia provlimata stin kathimerini zwh kai tis koinwnikes synthikes.Omws allo na to paradexteis ayto kai na prospathiseis na to veltiwseis kai allo na pareis ta mpogalakia sou kai na fygeis... Kai malista gia diakosia eyrw parapanw...
protimw na katsw me ta ligotera lefta kai na ftiaksw ayto pou exw.Ayto pou mou dwsan oi progonoi mou asximo tha prospathisw na to diorthwsw.
H Gallia pou anafereis ws paradeigma mporei na kalyptei tous anergous me ena aksioprosekto epidoma,mou les omws poio einai to pososto anergias pou exei? mallon astronomiko me ta ellinika dedomena.Kai se ayto se parakalw na synypologiseis kai to pososto anergias pou aporrofaei h vareia viomixania ths xwras,thn opoia h Ellada agnoei.
USA??? As mi milisoume gia xwres pou den exoun dwrean systima ygeias parakalw...
Ayta peri kalyteris zwhs sto ekswteriko mporoun na perasoun se kati tagarovlaxous panw sto vostani,alla se enan ellina pou exei zisei sto petsi tou tin sygxroni astiki zwi einai mallon mparoufes.Na pas na xatheis sti megalopoli tou ekswterikou giati? gia na pareis 200 eyrw parapanw? kai to vrady otan vgaineis na meraklwseis anti na akous mpouzoukaki kai klarino kai lyra na akous ''jetaime kai merci mpokou''.Gamise to... to paramythi tis ksenitias dyskola na to faei o ellhnas sto 2004.
To filotimo gia na mathei kapoios ti simainei prepei na to exei dextei (diladi na exei dextei mia kali praksi apo kapoion allo xwris ameso antallagma) h na to exei kanei se allo (na kanei diladi mia praksi gia tin opoia den htan ypoxrewmenos,apla apo tin kali tou kardia) Twra an den to exeis dei stin ellada... prepei na provlimatistoume oloi giayto
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shmeiwsh.h ksenitia einai duskolo pragma...alla h anergeia sthn eurwph einai mikroterh isws giati opws les iparxoun baria biomhxania kai etairies.
sthn eurwph kai to pososto anergeias einai oso einai gia entelws diaforetikous logous. gia paradeigma h agglia
gia na riksei thn anergia ths miwse ta epidomata kai tis paroxes pros tous anergous, giati h agglia exei kiriws aergous kai oxi anergous. sto eksoteriko den mporei na doulepsei kaneis xwris na einai asfalismenos giati to systhma einai online. kai gw protimw thn ellada...me 600 eurw ligotera,giati me tis perissoteres xwres toso einai....mono me tis skandinauikes kai thn bretania h diafora stous mis8ous ginetai xawdhs.
to megalitero katakefalhn eisodima sthn eurwph to exei h filandia...oso kai plasmatiko na einai auto ws phgh plhroforhshs giua thn genikh katastash mias xwras.
oso gia thn gallia pou eipes...kai kei me mpouzouki meraklwnoun...enas dromos pezodromos ellhnikos tiga einai...apo ellhnes kai gallous sto parisi
apla ama feugeis sini8ws feugeis me oneira...einai kati analogo me tous paiktes pou pernei o gay-ros... oloi kseroun oti 8a afanistoun ston gabro.,..alla oloi pigenoun elpizontas oti autoi 8a paiksoun en anti8esei me tous prohgoumenous. Opou KAI NA BRISKESAI OTI KAI NA KANEIS...ama exeis thn nootropia tou metanasth...douleue olh mera dhladh kai exe midamina eksoda...8a kaneis lefta. alla auto den einai zwh. einai talaipwria...kai epeidh h zwh einai mikrh...gamiseta panah...
GAMATE GIATI XANOMASTE...OPWS EIXE PEI PROFHTIKA O XARY KLYN.
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"-H απαξίωση των φιλάθλων για το ποδόσφαιρο είναι μόνον αποτέλεσμα της βίας ή και της ποιότητας του ποδοσφαίρου;
-Είναι αποτέλεσμα της ποιότητας το ποδοσφαίρου και της αναξιοπιστίας του πρωταθλήματος, που παράγει τη βία."
Σωστος.Κανεις δεν καθεται να δει απο που πηγαζει η βια.Ολοι το εχουν δεδομενο οτι τα γηπεδα αδειασαν λογω της βιας.
Τωρα για αυτο που συζητατε αποψη μου ειναι οτι ναι υπαρχουν και πολυ καλυτερα απο την Ελλαδα αλλα και εδω οποιος θελει θα τα καταφερει.Μην ξεχνατε οτι το κοστος ζωης εξω ειναι πολυ υψηλοτερο απο οτι στην Ελλαδα.Στην Αγγλια πχ μπορει να παιρνουν 3πλασιους μισθους αλλα το πραγματικο τους εισοδημα να ειναι ιδιο ή λιγο μεγαλυτερο απο οτι αν εκαναν την ιδια δουλεια στην Ελλαδα.
ama exeis thn nootropia tou metanasth...douleue olh mera dhladh kai exe midamina eksoda...8a kaneis lefta. alla auto den einai zwh. einai talaipwria...kai epeidh h zwh einai mikrh...gamiseta panah...
Συμφωνω απολυτα!
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egw sto mono pou diafwnwn mazi sou einai sto kostos zwhs. pleon einai to idio akribh h zwh kai sthn ellada... arkei na sou pw oti egw se supermarket sthn ellada psonisa oti akribws psonizw kai sto londino kai to mono pou htan akribotero sthn agglia htan ta tsigara kai ta frouta eisagwghs apo latinikh amerikh. alla ta eisagwmena pantou akriba einai
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katse re filaraki tiore giati ta isopedwses poly ta pramata mou fainetai...
H Ellada einai mia eyrwpaiki xwra h opoia se sxesi me tis ypoloipes vrisketai sti legomeni ''mesi'' katastasi.As to xontrynoume parapanw: as poume oti eimaste stous mikromesaious tis eyrwpis.Sigoura den anikoume sto skliro pyrina gallias-germanias oute exoume to aggliko kyros.Den eimaste omws h teleytaia trypa tou zourna etsi opws to les...
H Eyrwpi mas edwse kefalaia (koinotika plaisia stiriksis) ta opoia ta ependysame se megala erga (kai lamogies).Ta lefta ayta vevaia mas ta pairnei pisw kai me to parapanw,den einai da kai malakes...
Omws me tin diakinisi kefalaiwn kai tin ekmetalleysi tous dieykolynontai megales ploutoparagwgikes monades tis xwras,opws to emporio,h gewrgia,h ktinotrofia,o tourismos.
PROS THEOU den einai o topos twn oneirwn tou kathenos.Exei terastia provlimata stin kathimerini zwh kai tis koinwnikes synthikes.Omws allo na to paradexteis ayto kai na prospathiseis na to veltiwseis kai allo na pareis ta mpogalakia sou kai na fygeis... Kai malista gia diakosia eyrw parapanw...
protimw na katsw me ta ligotera lefta kai na ftiaksw ayto pou exw.Ayto pou mou dwsan oi progonoi mou asximo tha prospathisw na to diorthwsw.
H Gallia pou anafereis ws paradeigma mporei na kalyptei tous anergous me ena aksioprosekto epidoma,mou les omws poio einai to pososto anergias pou exei? mallon astronomiko me ta ellinika dedomena.Kai se ayto se parakalw na synypologiseis kai to pososto anergias pou aporrofaei h vareia viomixania ths xwras,thn opoia h Ellada agnoei.
USA??? As mi milisoume gia xwres pou den exoun dwrean systima ygeias parakalw...
Ayta peri kalyteris zwhs sto ekswteriko mporoun na perasoun se kati tagarovlaxous panw sto vostani,alla se enan ellina pou exei zisei sto petsi tou tin sygxroni astiki zwi einai mallon mparoufes.Na pas na xatheis sti megalopoli tou ekswterikou giati? gia na pareis 200 eyrw parapanw? kai to vrady otan vgaineis na meraklwseis anti na akous mpouzoukaki kai klarino kai lyra na akous ''jetaime kai merci mpokou''.Gamise to... to paramythi tis ksenitias dyskola na to faei o ellhnas sto 2004.
To filotimo gia na mathei kapoios ti simainei prepei na to exei dextei (diladi na exei dextei mia kali praksi apo kapoion allo xwris ameso antallagma) h na to exei kanei se allo (na kanei diladi mia praksi gia tin opoia den htan ypoxrewmenos,apla apo tin kali tou kardia) Twra an den to exeis dei stin ellada... prepei na provlimatistoume oloi giayto
den isopedonw tipota @petrov ta lew opws ta vlepw... twra ama esy den ta vlepeis etsi , den tha malwsoume kiolas...apopseis einai aytes
pantws gia tin anergia nomizw eheis adiko, kai tha sou milisw sigekrimena gia tin galia
stin galia apo tin stigmi pou eisai galos ypikoos otan theliseis na vreis douleia me mistho 1000 eurw pou einai kai o mikroteros pigaineis se etaireies idiwtikes( opws einai edw o oaed) pou simiwtewn den kratane apo esena lefta alla kapio poso apo tin epihirisi pou se proslamvanei me simvasi,
sinithws einai simvaseis 1-2 etwn opxi parapanw .
apo ekei kai pera an thes na sinehiseis pas se alli douleia pou sou xanavriskoune oi idoi i kapia alli etaireia. An oxi kathese kai pairneis gia 18 mines epidoma anergies 800 eurw.
ayta einai gia remalia omws pou den goustaroune na douleuoune... ama thes na katseis se mia douleia kai eisai ok tha se krathsoune... kai an eheis kapio ptyhio den xekinas apo 1000 alla apo 1200 minimun, an axizeis tha prohwrhseis... to provlima twra me emas edw einai oti axizeis den axizeis an den eheis ta kone den pas pouthena...
kai oson afora tous episimous deiktes anergeias ehe kata nou oti alliws katametrountai oi anergoi se mia xwra pou o anergos ehei dikaiomata kai parohes apo aythn an einai anergos kai alliws se mia xwra opws i ellada mas pou o anergos den ehei kai den pairnei shedon tipota... oi anergoi einai polaplasioi stin elada apo auto to 11-13% pou einai katagegrameno ston oaed, stoys deka anergous zitima na ehoune karta 2-3...
gia tin argentini pou lew pio panw, einai mia xwra pou eihe yperplithwrismo epi pola eth meta perase se mia periodo me ependiseis xenwn kefalaiwn kai oikonomikis anoixis me misthous poly megaliteous apo ellada kai twra fytozwei...
etsi ginete panta otan pas na xtiseis panw stin ammo... kai i ellada stin ammo einai xtismeni... emena den mou lene tipota oi deiktes tis neas oikonomias otan vlepw filarakia mou pou ehoune vgalei panepistimia me metaptihiaka na douleuoune gia 550 eurw odigoi se tarifes kai ipaliloi se super market.. kai entaxei kamia douleia den einai dropi , dropi einai na tis kaneis me ayta ta lefta...
epeidh logw tis douleias mou eimai mesa stin eleutheri agora vlepw kathimerina ta provlimata, kai fisika ta zw kai egw o idios , den eimai kanenas pou ehei lisei to oikonomiko tou provlima... o kosmos den ehei lefta pleon, oi neoi pou den ehoune kompodema einai me tin plati ston toiho , den ehoune epiloges san ypaliloi me ta 550 eurw... treis zwes na douleoune misi drahmi den tha mporesoune na kavatzwsoune na kanoune kati diko tous me ayta ta lefta... gia ayto vlepeis tin misi ellada stis mparmoutieres kai sta kazina kai tin alli misi sta praktoria tou opap na simplirwnoune deltia ... kai epeidh erhomaste sto antikeimeno mou twra ehw na sou pw oti eimaste prwtoi pagosmiws se kata kefalin poso pou tsogaroume se shesi me to ethsio eisodima mas... to 18% tou eisodimatos mas kathe xrono paizete se tyhera paihndiia... ( to xrimatistirio den pianete, ama vazame ki auto tin xrisi tou periodo gama ta ) ;D auta einai stoiheia apo etaireia pou ekane eruena gia logariasmo tis kai oxi apo kratikes ereunes poy fisika den ta lene ayta giati den tous simferei.
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GAMATE GIATI XANOMASTE...OPWS EIXE PEI PROFHTIKA O XARY KLYN.
As symplirosw kai thn ALLH sofh kouventa tou X.Klyn,
thn opeia exei pei edw kai toooosa xronia :
EIMASTE H MONADIKH AFRIKANIKH XWRA
ME LEYKOUS KATOIKOUS ;D
Tiore , proswpika me kalypteis.
Idios sta 8ema tou tzogou , eite einai kazino , eite stoixhma/lotto ktl.
8imi8ika mia xronia mesa telh tou '90 pou me phgaine taxi sto aerodromio 8essalonikhs, kai blepw eksw apo to kazino 7:00 to prwi kamia 50ria taxi apo eksw , kai rwtaw ton odhgo : kala tetoia wra einai anoixto to kazino? Kai me leei , ayta einai OLA Taxi pou ta xasan oi idioktites tous ston tzogo ! NO COMMENT!
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Oloi osoi zitokravgazoune(p. sto pale) gia tin allagi
pou tha ferei o e-George Papandreou exoune kamia
idea gia to ti pragmatika tha ginei?
I' nomizoune oti tha einai akoma kaliteri apo
tin "allagi" pou efere o pateras tou?
Opoios exei empeiries apo Canada
kai Souidia,xwres stis opoies anaptixyhike
kai oloklirwthike i prwsopikotita tou e-George,
kserei ti ennoei o Papandreou legontas allagi.
Oi ipoloipoi isws to mathoune isws kai oxi,eksartatai
apo to apotelesma.
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Oloi osoi zitokravgazoune(p. sto pale) gia tin allagi
pou tha ferei o e-George Papandreou exoune kamia
idea gia to ti pragmatika tha ginei?
I' nomizoune oti tha einai akoma kaliteri apo
tin "allagi" pou efere o pateras tou?
Opoios exei empeiries apo Canada
kai Souidia,xwres stis opoies anaptixyhike
kai oloklirwthike i prwsopikotita tou e-George,
kserei ti ennoei o Papandreou legontas allagi.
Oi ipoloipoi isws to mathoune isws kai oxi,eksartatai
apo to apotelesma.
Ti ennois?
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Oti i allagi pou thelei na kanei o jr
den exei kamia sxesi me tin allagi
pou ekane o megalos.
Milame gia 2 kosmous entelws diaforetikous.
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Posted by: ksts Posted on: January 30, 2004, 20:31:42
Oti i allagi pou thelei na kanei o jr
den exei kamia sxesi me tin allagi
pou ekane o megalos.
Milame gia 2 kosmous entelws diaforetikous.
Symfwnw 1000%
Oso gia to filaraki ton tiore,fysika den exw skopo na malwsw mazi sou file mou apla einai pws ta vlepei o kathenas gia ton eayto tou ta pragmata kai pairnei tis apofaseis tou.
Osa egrapses gia to ergasiako systima sti Gallia prepei na omologisw oti den ta gnwriza,kai endexomenws na exoun ena poly anwtero systima apo to diko mas oson afora tin anergia.
Opoios thelei na mathei prepei na mathainei na akouei kai na anathewrei tis apopseis tou,alliws den piganei pouthena.
Wstoso egw pros to paron protimw na zw stin ellada kai na prospathw na tin ftasw(san synolo ennow oxi proswpika) estw miso skali pio mprosta,vevaia me tin malakia pou kouvalaei o ellinas ayto einai para poly dyskolo.Kai to kseroume oloi ::)
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Oti i allagi pou thelei na kanei o jr
den exei kamia sxesi me tin allagi
pou ekane o megalos.
Milame gia 2 kosmous entelws diaforetikous.
ton kosmo tou giorgaki ton fantazomai pws tha einai , einai ontws diaforetikos apo ton kosmo tou patera toy mono pou ehoune ena koino simeio pou tous kanei sta matia mou idious...
kai oi dio einai to idio laoplanoi kai pseytes...opote ta politika sistimata pou ekprosopeyoun pernoune se deuteri moira
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kai oi dio einai to idio laoplanoi kai pseytes...opote ta politika sistimata pou ekprosopeyoun pernoune se deuteri moira
Sto 50% aftwn pou les tha simfwnisw.
Gia to deftero 50% tha perimenw.
Filika kai akkomatika
ksts
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Posted by: ksts Posted on: January 30, 2004, 20:31:42
Oti i allagi pou thelei na kanei o jr
den exei kamia sxesi me tin allagi
pou ekane o megalos.
Milame gia 2 kosmous entelws diaforetikous.
Symfwnw 1000%
Oso gia to filaraki ton tiore,fysika den exw skopo na malwsw mazi sou file mou apla einai pws ta vlepei o kathenas gia ton eayto tou ta pragmata kai pairnei tis apofaseis tou.
Osa egrapses gia to ergasiako systima sti Gallia prepei na omologisw oti den ta gnwriza,kai endexomenws na exoun ena poly anwtero systima apo to diko mas oson afora tin anergia.
Opoios thelei na mathei prepei na mathainei na akouei kai na anathewrei tis apopseis tou,alliws den piganei pouthena.
Wstoso egw pros to paron protimw na zw stin ellada kai na prospathw na tin ftasw(san synolo ennow oxi proswpika) estw miso skali pio mprosta,vevaia me tin malakia pou kouvalaei o ellinas ayto einai para poly dyskolo.Kai to kseroume oloi ::)
kai egw ellada zw kai prospathw na kanw oti mporw, apo tin mia einai i gamimeni i xenitia kai apo tin allli o topos pou agapas kai tha itheles na itan diaforetikos kai mas ponaei olous mas ayto...egw den ta hwnw filaraki sto kratos kai se kanenan politiko, emeis ehoume tin eythini gia ola... emeis tosu dinoume tin dinami kai tin exousia ,den thimame na egine kana praxikopima ta teleutaia 30 xronia ;)
o politikos den kanei tipota allo apo ayto pou touu zitaei o politis proeklogika....
ti zitane twra stis ekloges sta grafeia twn bouleutwn ta komatoskila? na volepsoune kana paidi sto dimosio, stin koinotita tpu xwrious tous, na parei kali metathesi o kanakaris tous ston strato , na paroune kana dimosio ergo na konomisoune ktl ktl
distihws oso kai na prospathisw den mporw na fantastw kapion na pigainei sto grafeio enos politikou kai na zitaei paidia, ygeia , lisi sto provlima tis anergeias kai axiokratia gia olous , sevasmo sto perivalon kai prostasia , koinokomia gia ta adespota kai egw den xerw ti allo.....
mono tin parti mas koitame...oloi milane gia anergeia kai anexeia mexri na xwsoune ton pahoulo kolaraki tous se miazest karekla tou dimosiou... kai meta apo ayto prospathoune na valoune stin idia thesi kai ta paidia tous ...aytoi diladi na einai kala kai oloi oi alloi na pane na gamithoune
den ehei vevaia gia olous karekles, opios prolavei ... ftanei omws to 20-25% volemenwn se ena kratos na vgalei mia kivernisi.... oi alloi misoi ahdiasmenoi apo tin politiki den pane kan na psifisoune opote to 25 ginete 45%...
kai dimiourgountai dio megales taxeis, oi volemenoi twn 1000 eurw pou makroprothesma tah einai thimata twn trapezwn kai twn daneiwn tous giati kala einai ta 1000 alla oyte ayta ftanoune pleon opws ehei mathei o ellinas na zei, kai apo tin alli oloi oi ypoloipoi na volodernoune stin agora pou deinopathei gia mia thesi twn 500 eurw ...
mas ftasane sto tragiko shmeio na min asholoumaste me tin politiki file, kai ayto einai oti heirotero...
proxtes evlepa mia tainia me thema tin zwh tou hitler... o "poihths" elege oti "gia na ginei to kako den xreiazete tipota allo apo to na min kanoune oi kaloi antrwpoi tipota gia auto"
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Kalhmera se olous.
Ante na doume ti 8a ginei kai stis ekloges.
Posoi apo'mas 8a gelasoun kai posoi 8a dusaresth8oun.
Pantws,oso P.A.O.K.TSHDES kai na eimaste(kai oso ki an brwntofwnazoume pws auth einai h basikh mas idiothta),gnwrizw kala pws to apotelesma ths anametrhshs,den 8a perasei aparathrhto apo kanena mas.
8a uparksoun oi dusaresthmenoi alla kai autoi pou 8a xorophdhksoun ap'th xara tous,ki as ourliazoun tautoxrona pws to mono pou tous apasxolei einai o P.A.O.K. kai to kalo tou.
Filika-Nikos
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kala nick ayto einai stantar...
kai ekei egkeitai h malakia tou ellina!
na fwnazeis olo to xrono kai na asxoleisai me ton P.A.O.K. ,na ''krazeis'' mia saizon tin kyvernisi,kai meta otan ftasei h wra tis kalpis na ''skyveis'' pali...
ki opoios pei oti den einai etsi zei sto kogko :06:
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kai ti na kaneis?
afou oloi psifizoume N.D kai PASOK...
an den pas na psifiseis, moirazetai i psifos sou automata sta dio mejala kommata (nomos tis statistikis).
Opote tha eprepe oloi oi Paoktsides proton na pane na psifisoun (oxi leyko!!!, jiati isxuei pali o proanaferomenos nomos tis statistikis) kai deuteron na psifisoun to idio komma.
Pramma adynaton. ala pes oti jinotane...pio jamimeno komma tha eprepe na psifisoume? tous oikolojous? to Tsovola? to KKE?
filika
Conan
PS: Den exo paei pote jia eklojes...meno jermania
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File mou Konnan ayto einai pou exei gamisei ton ellina oloklirwtika.
''Kai ti na psifisw,afou oloi psifizoun aytous tous dyo''
Aytoi oi dyo loipon,einai dyo kommata pou apo pisw tous sernoun panisxyrous oikonomikous paragontes,mesa mazikis enhmerwsis kai topikes organwseis pou ksexeilizoun kommatoskyla.Kai me to na tous psifizeis esy ti kaneis? Apla vazeis ena litharaki sto megalo teixos tous.
YPARXOUN
kommata ta opoia oute kan exoume akousei kai isws na mas antiproswpeyoun kalytera apo kathe allo.
Kai ti na kanw? na psifisw ena komma pou den exei megalo pososto?
NAI!!! giati ayti einai h pemptousia tis dimokratias
H politiki den einai stoixima gia na ''pontaroume'' ston pio dynato! einai ekproswpish thesewn.Psifise esy ayto pou se antiproswpeyei,me th syneidisi sou kathari kai mi se noiazei pou to allo 95% paei se 2 kommata.Isws na to katalavoun kai aytoi etsi.ISWS NA TOUS VOITHISEIS KAI SY NA TO KATALAVOUN...
Exeis skeftei pote to oti yparxoun anthrwpoi me toso omorfes idees,ki omws den exoun ftasei pote sta aytia sou epeidh den eixan ta fragka twn allwn?
Konnan ksereis oti den anaferomai proswpika se sena,alla epeidh PARA POLLOI filoi kai gnwstoi mou erxontai kai lene ''tha psifisw ayton pou PITHANOTERA tha vgei'' kai oxi ''ayton pou me antiproswpeyei kai pisteyw'' giayto kai to anaferw.
Gia eynoitous logous den mporw na pw ''des ayto to komma'' h ''pshfhse ayto'' dimosia sto forum,opoios thelei na kanoume kommatiki syzitisi pantws den exw kanena problima arkei na ginei me idiwtika mhnymata,afou o paok kammia douleia den exxei na ton mperdeyoume me tetoia...
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Ofeilw na pw pantws oti me ekseplikse ligo to nick sou... :D
Oi Kimmerioi htan enas panarxaios laos pou katoikouse stin Krimaia.Ekanan epidromes stis ellhnikes poleis Sinwph (shmerinh Ortou tou Pontou) Smyrni k Magnisia kai mexri kai o Omiros tous anaferei.
Otan sygkroustikane telika me tous Ellines,katastrafikan oloklirwtika,kai xathikan apo tin istoria ws laos
Yparxei pantws enas thrylos pou syndeei tous Kimmerious me ton Ponto,kathws ypirxe ekei ena xwrio pou legotan ''Chimera'',kai apo ti glwssiki syggeneia prepei na ypopteythoume oti ''kati paizei'' ;)
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Ofeilw na pw pantws oti me ekseplikse ligo to nick sou... :D
Oi Kimmerioi htan enas panarxaios laos pou katoikouse stin Krimaia.Ekanan epidromes stis ellhnikes poleis Sinwph (shmerinh Ortou tou Pontou) Smyrni k Magnisia kai mexri kai o Omiros tous anaferei.
Otan sygkroustikane telika me tous Ellines,katastrafikan oloklirwtika,kai xathikan apo tin istoria ws laos
Yparxei pantws enas thrylos pou syndeei tous Kimmerious me ton Ponto,kathws ypirxe ekei ena xwrio pou legotan ''Chimera'',kai apo ti glwssiki syggeneia prepei na ypopteythoume oti ''kati paizei'' ;)
ainte mprabo na "zwntanepsoume" kai to parakatw TOPIC: ;D
nick names(ψευδώνυμα)PWS EPILEKSATE TO DIKO SAS?
http://www.paokworld.com/paokworldboard/index.php?board=5;action=display;threadid=168 (http://www.paokworld.com/paokworldboard/index.php?board=5;action=display;threadid=168)
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Poly swsti i anakoinwsi tis G4.Oute mia psifos sto antiPAOKtsi kai prodoti tis Thessalonikis Iwannidi.Stis ekloges psifiste PAOKtsidika.Yparxoun polloi ypopsifioi se ola ta kommata pou agapoun i apla ypostirizoun ton PAOK.Psifiste opoia parataxi thelete-allwste den prospathw na sas peisw gia auto-alla psifiste kai gia to kalo tou PAOK.
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file an thes tin apopsi mou, uparxoun polu simantikotera kritiria se mia psifo apo ta PAOKtsidika. toulaxiston auti einai i apospi mou. pisteuw oti o PAOK einai kala san organismos, otan o kosmos tou einai kala. kai o kosmos tou den mporei na einai kala, otan einai anergos, otan i xwra tou einai monimos me ta pantelonia katebasmena ston kathe apithano kok.
o kathena psifizei monos tou, skeptomenos ta osa exoun ginei sto parelthon, to mellon tou, to mellon twnpaidiwn tou kok.
auto to PAOKtsidiki psifos, akougetai kalo alla apo tin alli exei primodotisei dekades anthrwpous pou sto parelthon exoun apodeixtei tenekedes kseganwtoi.
san atomo loipon, alla kai san sundesmos den mas endiaferei ti tha psifisei to kathe melos, i o kathe PAOKtsis.
alla apo tin alli i "aliteia" tou iwannidi den mporei na meinei anapantiti. sto keimeno den uparxei kamia anafora sta "egklimata" tou iwannidi oso itan ston Ari. egklimata pou den einai liga. apla anaferomaste sto oti o iwannidis einai edw kai 13 xronia athinaios kai epeidti ton kseroume kala, kseroume pws tin psifo ti thelei gia na sunexisei na kanei to magka stin athina. thats all.
kata tosu agglosaxwnes, oi ekloges einai i metafora ploutou stous idioktites twn meswn enimerwsis.
to gegonos oti oloi oi upopsifioi tis polis treksane na fwtografithoun sta stoudio tou metrolaki, einai ena ksakatharo deigma tis parakmis tis polis. katantia. kai oti o kosmos tou PAOK sunexizei na enisxuei ton tuxodiwkti kai na asxoleitai me tis malakies tou kai ton perouka pou mazepse sto stavlo tou, einai tragiko. einai katantia.
to mono parigoro einai oti otan piaseis pato, i anodos eiani monodromos.
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Se ola ta aderfia pou tha taxidepsoume gia tis ekloges efhome kalo taxidi ke kalo...voli ;D
Pantos,gia na min xehniomaste ........
....PAOK PANTOU KE PANTA
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Kai gw tha eimai mesa s'aytous 8)
A re salonikh erxomaste! ;D
As eyxithoume na psifisoun oloi oi paoktsides me to myalo sto kefali.Symfwnw gia thn GELOIA ypopsifiotita Iwannidi se OLA osa egrapse i anakoinwsi tis Thyras 4.Den mporei enas typos san ki ayton,pou katevase to mpasket stin athina,pou PRODWSE akomi kai aytous tous ligous sti thessaloniki pou ton goustaran (vlepe likiaskou) kai na erxetai simera ws makedonomaxos na zitaei tin psifo mas.Poly fovamai vevaia oti h ypsili anagnwrisimotita tou,se syndiasmo me tin XAZOMARA pollwn ellhnwn (pou na valw stayro,pou na valw stayro,as to riksw ston Iwannidi) tha ton kanoun na ekproswpei ton elliniko lao sti vouli.Ti leme vevaia,edw valane ypopsifio stin Athina ton DANIEL BATISTA
EGKW AGKAPAEI ELLANTA,EGKW TELEI MEINEI ;D
O TEMPORA,O MORES KAI O MALAKES ELLHNES
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Molis gyrisa apo to eklogiko tmima kali psifo se olous kai kalo ntavantouri ;D
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Ti pshfises? Kala, mh mou apanthseis, plaka kanw...
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βγηκε και ο ρεμος στα καναλια και ειπε οτι ΕΠΙΤΕΛΟΥΣ
ΒΓΗΚΕ ΒΟΡΕΙΟΕΛΛΑΔΙΤΗΣ ΠΡΩΘΥΠΟΥΡΓΟΣ.....
βρε ουφο τι να το κανω που ο ανθρωπος ειναι φανατικος
βαζελος αν και μεγαλωσε στην σαλονικα ......
ουτε καν πανσερραικος..... :(
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Ante re den iksera oti itan vazeli!
Pantws einai poly endiaferon na doume pws (kai an) tha epireasei to eklogiko apotelesma tin katastasi tou athlitismou.Tha mpei ''gera'' o vazelos na ksanaginei to katestimeno pou itan palia i o kokkalis exei toso geres rizes pou einai yperkommatikos?
Gia mas? ti tha ginei? Mpikane kapoioi paoktsides politikoi me tin nea dimokratia kai akougetai gera to onoma tou orfanou gia yfypourgo athlitismou... idwmen...
pantws den perimenw k polla
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O LAOS TOY PAOK ANEBOKATEBAZEI KYBERNHSEIS!
kai den to grafw giati prepei h epibaletai h etsi PREPEI na to grapsw..h apla na to grapsw..
mia poly proxeirh matia-isws kai ligo biastikh-sta apotelesmata,sta pososta kai air8mus twn pshfwn OLWN twn kommatwn katelhksa sto PARAPANW symperasma ws ekshs:
1)xontrika h diafora se pshfous pasok-nd einai kapou 350.000 panw h nd
2)h diafora pasok-nd sto nomo atikhs einai OUSIASTIKA apo mikrh ews amelhtea(milame gia elaxistes xiliades pshfous panw h nd se sxesh panta me tis 100des 1000dwn pshfoforwn ekei-STO KRATOS TWN A8HNWN)
3)ston nomo 8essalonikhs omws...panw apo 55-60.000 pshfoi kai krinontas kai apo thn YPOLOIPH BOREIA ELLADA kai a8roizontas ta pososta....oxi pws parablepw kai thn ypoloiph eparxia...TOTE NAI!O LAOS TU PAOK ANEBOKATEBAZEI KYBERNHSEIS!(ta ksanaeipame afta:paliotera to 1993 me ton galaktero k fysika oxi mono afto h mono ta a8lhtika drwmena) ton mpoulo o mhtsotakhs...twra ton mpoulo to pasok...EINAI AFTO POU LEME OTI O PAOK DEN EINAI APLWS MIA PODOSFAIRIKH OMADA ALLA EKFRAZEI OLH THN ELLHNIKH EPARXIA..O MONIMOS EPANASTATHS MPROS STO ADHFAGO KRATOS TWN A8HNWN..kai polla alla
Y.G.aksioshmeiwta ta pososta tu LAOS eidikotera sthn boreia ellada.O BOREIOELLADITHS EINAI PATRIWTHS,EINAI E8NIKISTHS..h mallon an den einai ETSI opws paw na to "bgalw"..giati sigoura KANENA KOMMA den exei thn apokleistikothta ston PATRIWTISMO...ara kai la8os o sylogismos mu...DEIXNEI OMWS KATI:OTI SIGOURA O BOREIOELLADITHS DEN KSEXNA TIS XAMENES PATRIDES!SIGOURA O BOREIOELLADITHS KAI EIDIKOTERA O PAOKTSHS "PRWTOS 8A METALABEI MES THN AGIA SOFIA!"..OTAN ER8EI EKEINH H WRA..
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ρε chris υπουργος αθλητισμου θα γινει ο ιωαννιδης....
ναι ναι ο τυπος που δηλητιριασε με εμφιαλωμενα τους
παικτες της ρωσικης ομαδας και για αυτον τον εδιωξε ο κοκκαλης ... ειναι ο τυπος που ηταν πισω απο καθε βρωμια
εναντιον του ΠΑΟΚ στο μπασκετ....
προεκλογικα αρχισε να μας γλυφει μεχρι και τον αναστασιαδη
πηγε να τον εκμεταλλευτει προεκλεγικα αλλα ο αγγελος
δεν μασησε δεν πηγε σε εκεινη την προεκλογικη αθλητικη
φιεστα του λιανη στην θεσσαλονικη για να παρει βραβειο
το οποιο ηθελε πολυ και θα του το απενειμε ο ιωαννιδης
.....μπραβο στα παιδια της g4 για την πολυ καλη ανακοινωση
για τον ιωαννιδη.......... :)
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O Voreioelladitis neos prwthipourgos
i moni sxesi pou exei me ti voreia Ellada einai
oti gennithike se aftin kai ftanei.
Kata t'alla einai vazelos ki exei paei sxoleio
sto Kwlonaki.
Mas exoun katalavei oloi mou fainetai ti
"toixoi" eimaste edw panw kai mas exoune flwmosei
sta paramythia.
As kanei kala ti douleia tou ki as einai apo opou thelei.
Afto exw na pw stis mparoufes tou Remou ki allwn
"toixwn" pou lene to idio.
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Re chris,mi mperdeuis ton ethnikismo me ton patriotismo.O Karatzaferis einai fasistas.Exei diafora.Pia i sxesi alloste tu Xristianismou me tin Ellada?
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DYSTHXWS o liannhs epaneklegetai sthn flwrina....re paidia osoi pshfisate/me/nan pasok giati ton liannh?
http://www.mpa.gr/article.html?doc_id=440247
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o karatzaferis den fasistas. einai aplos emporos. kai kalos diaskedastis. gi auto kai se liga xronia tha parousiazei show stin tv me psuxagwgiko xaraktira. karagkiozakos einai o anthrwpos kai to apedeikse xthes to bradu, otan to kanali tou epaize tin wra twn apotelesmatwn, liza minelli, frank sinatra, whitney houston kai ekleise ti bradia me elliniki videokasseta me to sugxwremeno to rizo. milame toso megalo sebasmo gia ta 140K koroida pou ton pistepsan.
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Akoma pio sostos o G4.Auto pu ithela na po,itan oti i ideologia pu theli na perasi ine fasistiki.Omos ousiastika ine emporos,exis dikio
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Re chris,mi mperdeuis ton ethnikismo me ton patriotismo.O Karatzaferis einai fasistas.Exei diafora.Pia i sxesi alloste tu Xristianismou me tin Ellada?
bre to ekshghsa ek twn proterwn oti h gnwmh mu apopsh einai la-8os.tonisa xarakthristika allwste oti "alimono an dextume oti yparxei to x h y komma pou exei ta..."apokleistika dikaiwmata" tu patriwtismu/e8nikismu ktl ktl...apla PWS alliws na ekshghsw to gegonos oti ta MEGALYTERA pososta tu laos htan sthn boreia ellada?doksa ton 8eo k thn panagia poosa alla mikra kommata yphrxan na pshfisei o ka8enas eite gia diamartyria,eite gia plaka,eite gia sobara,eite gia otidhpote o ka8enas 8elei..dimokratia exoume..NAI e8nikisths etsi opws to enoume o karatzaferhs den einai...den lew omws afto...lew ti perase ston kosmo oti einai to laos kai PWS exei tetoia pososta sth boreia ellada..sthn telikh kubenta kanume :)
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DYSTHXWS o liannhs epaneklegetai sthn flwrina....re paidia osoi pshfisate/me/nan pasok giati ton liannh?
[url]http://www.mpa.gr/article.html?doc_id=440247[/url]
εγω ειμαι απο πτολεμαιδα chris και ξερω πολυ καλα οτι
ο λιανης χρονια τωρα εχει προσφερει παρα πολλα στην
φλωρινα και αυτο του αναγνωριζουν οι κατοικοι ....
ασχετα αν δεν τον γουσταρω γιατι τα εκανε σκατα
στον αθλητισμο και δεν με αρεσε το γλυψιμο του στους
κατω.....
εμεις εδω με 50.000 πλυθησμο ζουμε στην αφανεια γιατι
δεν εχουμε τετοιου βεληνεκους παραγοντες οπως ο
κουκουλοπουλος στην κοζανη (τον ξερεις ετσι ?)
η ο λιανης στην φλωρινα .... :(
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Posted by: lemmy Posted on: Today at 13:23:11
Re chris,mi mperdeuis ton ethnikismo me ton patriotismo.O Karatzaferis einai fasistas.Exei diafora.Pia i sxesi alloste tu Xristianismou me tin Ellada?
Nomizw oti stin Ellada exoume xasei megalo meros tou noimatos genika.Tha ithela na rwtisw ton filo Lemmy an gnwrizei ti einai o fasismos.An gnwrizei ti ekproswpei kai kata poson to komma LA.O.S. epivevaiwnei ayti ti thewria.Oson afora tin sxesi Xristianismou-Elladas to erwtima sou den to katalavainw.H den exeis ypopsin sou ti exei symvei apo to 333m.X. ws simera i den theleis na to deis.Oi Ellines htan apo ta prwta ethni pou aspastikan to xristianismo kai to monadiko pou poulemise giayton(polemoi enantion rwsswn,germanikwn fylwn,aravwn,avarwn sto vyzantio kai polloi polloi alloi).Ekatommyria Ellines exoun pethanei gia to xristianismo kai rwtas poia h sxesi elladas kai xristianismou? Edw kai aiwnes,arrikti...
Posted by: gate4 Posted on: Today at 13:29:09
...gi auto kai se liga xronia tha parousiazei show stin tv me psuxagwgiko xaraktira. karagkiozakos einai o anthrwpos kai to apedeikse xthes to bradu, otan to kanali tou epaize tin wra twn apotelesmatwn, liza minelli, frank sinatra, whitney houston kai ekleise ti bradia me elliniki videokasseta me to sugxwremeno to rizo. milame toso megalo sebasmo gia ta 140K koroida pou ton pistepsan.
xexe mporei na parousiazei otidipote se liga xronia.Akomi kai spot gia tsontes.Omws den mporw na katalavw giati ton thewreis ligotero geloio apo olous tous politikous pou pithanon thewrountai ''sovaroi''.Mporei na thewreitai sovaroteros o ntaniel batista,i antzela gkerekou,o nikos apergis kai o astynomos theoxaris.Giati gia aytous den vlepw na ginetai logos.O Karatzaferis einai POLITIKOS kai ws politikos dra.Kaneis politikos den einai parthena.Prepei na paiksei to paixnidi tou oso ton pairnei alla O KATHENAS KRINETAI APO AYTA POU LEEI.Prokalw loipon olous aytous pou apokaloun ton Karatzaferi fasista,geloio,ktl ktl na mou poun ti kalyteres theseis eixan oloi aytoi oi klain main tis show biz pou piran tin psifo tou 90% tou elllinikou laou.Akrodeksios o karatzaferis,grafikos o tsovolas,ufo h papariga kai oi kanonikoi poioi eiste? oloi eseis pou katheste kai rixnete tin psifo tis ''allagis'' kai tis ''neas epoxis'' kai apo ayrio tha arxisete pali na gkriniazete.Fysika ayta den ta lew gia ton gate4,kathws oute tis politikes tou pepoithiseis kserw oute ti psifise xtes,oute an psifise.Alla gia opoion ws eksypnakias eirwneyetai ayta pou o allos psifizei.
Oso prodomenos tha eprepe na einai o psifoforos tou LA.O.S. xilies fores perissotero prodomenoi tha apodeixtoun oi psifoforoi tou pasok kai tis neas dimokratias.Na to deite.Kai oson afora tis xtesines ekpompes,den kserw ti tha eprepe na paizei o stathmos tin wra pou olo to komma itan sto epiteleio tou kai evlepe ta apotelesmata twn eklogwn.Twra stis 4 o karatzaferis vgainei kanonika stin ekpompi tou kai malista vgazei zwntana tilefwnimata ston aera.Twra ti einai? magkas?
Na doume tin antzela gkerekou twra kai ton panagiwti fasoula kai ton gianni iwannidi ti protaseis tha kanoun kai poia tha einai i prosfora tous.
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Posted by: lemmy Posted on: Today at 13:23:11
Re chris,mi mperdeuis ton ethnikismo me ton patriotismo.O Karatzaferis einai fasistas.Exei diafora.Pia i sxesi alloste tu Xristianismou me tin Ellada?
Nomizw oti stin Ellada exoume xasei megalo meros tou noimatos genika.Tha ithela na rwtisw ton filo Lemmy an gnwrizei ti einai o fasismos.An gnwrizei ti ekproswpei kai kata poson to komma LA.O.S. epivevaiwnei ayti ti thewria.Oson afora tin sxesi Xristianismou-Elladas to erwtima sou den to katalavainw.H den exeis ypopsin sou ti exei symvei apo to 333m.X. ws simera i den theleis na to deis.Oi Ellines htan apo ta prwta ethni pou aspastikan to xristianismo kai to monadiko pou poulemise giayton(polemoi enantion rwsswn,germanikwn fylwn,aravwn,avarwn sto vyzantio kai polloi polloi alloi).Ekatommyria Ellines exoun pethanei gia to xristianismo kai rwtas poia h sxesi elladas kai xristianismou? Edw kai aiwnes,arrikti...
Posted by: gate4 Posted on: Today at 13:29:09
...gi auto kai se liga xronia tha parousiazei show stin tv me psuxagwgiko xaraktira. karagkiozakos einai o anthrwpos kai to apedeikse xthes to bradu, otan to kanali tou epaize tin wra twn apotelesmatwn, liza minelli, frank sinatra, whitney houston kai ekleise ti bradia me elliniki videokasseta me to sugxwremeno to rizo. milame toso megalo sebasmo gia ta 140K koroida pou ton pistepsan.
xexe mporei na parousiazei otidipote se liga xronia.Akomi kai spot gia tsontes.Omws den mporw na katalavw giati ton thewreis ligotero geloio apo olous tous politikous pou pithanon thewrountai ''sovaroi''.Mporei na thewreitai sovaroteros o ntaniel batista,i antzela gkerekou,o nikos apergis kai o astynomos theoxaris.Giati gia aytous den vlepw na ginetai logos.O Karatzaferis einai POLITIKOS kai ws politikos dra.Kaneis politikos den einai parthena.Prepei na paiksei to paixnidi tou oso ton pairnei alla O KATHENAS KRINETAI APO AYTA POU LEEI.Prokalw loipon olous aytous pou apokaloun ton Karatzaferi fasista,geloio,ktl ktl na mou poun ti kalyteres theseis eixan oloi aytoi oi klain main tis show biz pou piran tin psifo tou 90% tou elllinikou laou.Akrodeksios o karatzaferis,grafikos o tsovolas,ufo h papariga kai oi kanonikoi poioi eiste? oloi eseis pou katheste kai rixnete tin psifo tis ''allagis'' kai tis ''neas epoxis'' kai apo ayrio tha arxisete pali na gkriniazete.Fysika ayta den ta lew gia ton gate4,kathws oute tis politikes tou pepoithiseis kserw oute ti psifise xtes,oute an psifise.Alla gia opoion ws eksypnakias eirwneyetai ayta pou o allos psifizei.
Oso prodomenos tha eprepe na einai o psifoforos tou LA.O.S. xilies fores perissotero prodomenoi tha apodeixtoun oi psifoforoi tou pasok kai tis neas dimokratias.Na to deite.Kai oson afora tis xtesines ekpompes,den kserw ti tha eprepe na paizei o stathmos tin wra pou olo to komma itan sto epiteleio tou kai evlepe ta apotelesmata twn eklogwn.Twra stis 4 o karatzaferis vgainei kanonika stin ekpompi tou kai malista vgazei zwntana tilefwnimata ston aera.Twra ti einai? magkas?
Na doume tin antzela gkerekou twra kai ton panagiwti fasoula kai ton gianni iwannidi ti protaseis tha kanoun kai poia tha einai i prosfora tous.
File petrovgr.Ipa se epomeno post(simfonisa diladi me ton gate4),oti o karatzafereris ine ena emporos.Alla i ideologia pu pulai ine ethnikososialismos.Kati san ton Hitler.An de theoris fasista auton,tote ok.Oso tora gia ti sxesi Xristuianismu-Ellados ti na su po?Gia ti katastrofi pu epefere se auto pu leme elliniko pneuma?Les Bizadio,pia i sxesi tu,me tin Ellada?Posa ellinika mnimia exun katastrafi gia na ftiaksun ekklisies?Ta paradeigmata ine polla.Eksartate ti theoris ellada,alla file oi Xristianoi autus,pu opote mas simferi onomazume progonus mas,tus theoruse idololatres.Gia na mi po oti o Xristianismos,exi klepsi/danisti polla stoixeia ap ton Arxaio ellinismo kai oxi mono.Oxi den eimai ethnikistis,oute anabiotis tu arxaiou elliniku pneumatos,alla kalo einai na kserume kapoia pramata.....
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Re chris,mi mperdeuis ton ethnikismo me ton patriotismo.O Karatzaferis einai fasistas.Exei diafora.Pia i sxesi alloste tu Xristianismou me tin Ellada?
bre to ekshghsa ek twn proterwn oti h gnwmh mu apopsh einai la-8os.tonisa xarakthristika allwste oti "alimono an dextume oti yparxei to x h y komma pou exei ta..."apokleistika dikaiwmata" tu patriwtismu/e8nikismu ktl ktl...apla PWS alliws na ekshghsw to gegonos oti ta MEGALYTERA pososta tu laos htan sthn boreia ellada?doksa ton 8eo k thn panagia poosa alla mikra kommata yphrxan na pshfisei o ka8enas eite gia diamartyria,eite gia plaka,eite gia sobara,eite gia otidhpote o ka8enas 8elei..dimokratia exoume..NAI e8nikisths etsi opws to enoume o karatzaferhs den einai...den lew omws afto...lew ti perase ston kosmo oti einai to laos kai PWS exei tetoia pososta sth boreia ellada..sthn telikh kubenta kanume :)
OK.....Nai, sigura, kubenta kanume kai adalazume apopsis
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katarxin xeretw safto to 1o mu post tis apantaxou paokares.
niw8w arketa ahdiasmenos apto x8esino skinhko kai exw arxisei kata kapoio tropo na diaforopoiw kata poly tis apopseis mou.. eksigoumai:
eidame saftes tis ekloges (ke palaiotera sinenevene ala stis twrines 8a anafer8w) to gegonos na katevenoun ipopsifioi me diafora kommata kati apistefta tipakia pou kanenan logo den vriskw sto na iparxoun sthn politikh. eida ioannidi, gerekou, fasoula, mpatista kai ales toses apisteftes moures pou aporw, oxi giati iparxoun, alla giati katevenoun stis ekloges. TI NA MAS PEI O FASOULAS POU TO MONO POU EKANE SWSTA STH ZWH TOU HTAN NA VAZI MIA MPALA SE ENA KALATHI EPIDI HTAN PSILOS.. TI NA MAS PEI O IOANNIDIS POU EKANE DILWSEIS STO ALFA,thn imera ton eklogon kata tis 8, OTI ITAN SIGOUROS GIA TO 3PONTO(!!!!)(3s pontous panw apo pasok) THS ND.. tha mou peite me to mpasket asxolite, mpasketika ema8e na milaei.. TI NA MOU PEI H GEREKOU, O MPATISTA, O FRATZESKOS (paliotera an 8imame kala) klp klp... re mas doulevete?? telos panton lew (x8es) dikeoma tous einai na katevenoun.. aplos o ellinikos laos prepei TO LIGOTERO na tous timisei me ena @xidi..
sinexizume..
vlepw tileoptikes sizitiseis,orea panel,gnostous dimosiografous ,diaforous ipopsifious...
-¨8eloume twra na mas kanei kritikh h kiria VANA MPARMPA(!!!!!!)
nai kala akousate h vana mparmpa,pou egine diashmh vgenontas me ksoviza kai dixnwntas ta mpoutia ths..
pio katw ekane politikh kritikh h drouza pou egine gnosth epidi ths pernei ka8e kakogamhmenh gineka tilefono, o sergoulopoulos pou egine diashmos epidi ekane proini ekpomph kai oi nikokires ton vlepan san ¨filenaditsa¨ klp klp....
TI STO DIAOLO H MENEGAKH POU HTAN?!?
..pali kala pou den vgalan kiafthn na mas kanei politikh analisi...
(gia na imaste dikeoi,o monadikos pou paradextika(elpizw na to idate) htan o XARRY KLYN o opoios tous ta exwse sta isia kai gia thn politikh tous kai gia tous olimpiakous agwnes klpklp.. aftos omws ine ke oi doulia tou sto 8eatro na kritikarei thn politikh skinh)
tha mu peite giati sas anaferw olous tous parapanw... e loipon na eiste sigouroi oti oloi aftoi, pou ligo poly kserume SHMERA to parel8on tous, KAPOTE sto 2012 8a ZITANE KE AFTOI THN PSIFO MAS.. skeftite to ligaki..........................
erxome simera ke vlepw apotelesmata... o iwannidis eskise, o fasoulas mesa, gia ta alla sourgela den ema8a ala ime sigouros oti kai aftoi mesa einai... KAI KSERETE GIATI?? giati exoume ftasei sto shmeio na trwme oti mas pasaroun..... mas pasaroun shmera thn vana mparmpa, avrio 8a thn psifisoume... AKOMA KE TON MAMALAKH NA MAS PASAROUN THA TON PSIFISOUME..
exoume kantantisei tis ekloges anadiksh tou kaliterou star..
...giati mesa apo ena star system vgenoun oi neoi politikoi....
re mages sorry kiolas meta ta x8esina exw arxisei na antipa8w kai to dhmokratiko politevma... exw arxisei na pistevw oti afto pou ipe o HITLER pou kapote to koroideva, telika meta ta x8esina apodikniete oti exi kapio dikio... kai kserete ti ipe (anamesa se pola ala) o hitler?
.....¨h dimokratia einai to pio vlakwdes systhma giati dinei thn dinatothta akoma kai ston pio ili8io polith na psifisei¨....
poli fasistiko den akougete? kai etsi einai... aplws meta ta x8esina... e tou pousth... arxisa na pistevw oti exi kai kapio dikio.........
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To oti to politiko systima pou aspazetai o Karatzaferis einai o ethnikososialismos to akouw prwti fora apo esena.Sto idrytiko keimeno tou kommatos anaferetai oti yparxei sevasmos se o,ti exei prosferei to kathe ethnos ston pagkosmio politismo.Gia na min pareksigithw,den exw kammia sxesi me ''kommatoskyla'' kai diafora tetoia,tha mporousa na psifisw to opoiodhpote komma pou symfwnw me tis apopseis tou,eite ayto legetai Kke eite ayto legetai laos eite opoiodipote.Alla epeidh stin ellada exoume voleytei me YBRIDIA kommatwn kai oxi PRAGMATIKA kommata,opoion paei na provallei ena komma katharwn thesewn ton leme ''oufo'' ''grafiko'' h ''fasista'' .
O Xitler loipon ithele na dimiourgisei tin areia fyli pou einai i ''indoeyrwpaiki'' opou o kathenas mas tha eprepe na eixe ta katallila xaraktiristika alliws den eixe ta kritiria na anikei se ayti.Exeis stroggylo kefali kai oxi platy? exeis mayro xrwma kai oxi aspro? den mporeis na thewreisai isaksios me ton allon.Efarmose politikes periorismou alloethnwn kai en pasei periptwsei,kammia sxesi den exei ayto me katastaseis pou zoume stin ellada.
Einai oufo protasi kathe fora pou 300.000 ellines theloun na tethei kati ypo dimopsifisma ayto na ginetai??? den einai symmetoxiki dimokratia??? h mhpws symmetoxiki dimokratia einai ayto pou leei o george papandreou pou zitaei na ton psifisoun enw einai o monadikos ypopsifios?
Einai ektos pragmatikotitas na prospatheis na katapolemiseis tis ektrwseis? H mipws einai proodeytiko kai fileleythero na vlepeis ''mia ellada'' na pethainei prin kan gennithei? exoun dei aytoi oi toso ''kanonikoi'' pws ginetai mia ektrwsi?
Einai xountiko kai fasistiko to na les oti den tha proskyniseis to mnimeio tou kemal atatourk pou egine aitia sfagis 400.000 toulaxiston ellinwn kai ton ektopismo 1.000.000 apo ta mikrasiatika edafi??? Gia olous tous laous ekei stin Mikra asia (ellines,assyrioi,armenioi,kourdoi,evraioi) o Xitler einai to idio pragma me ayton.Ki omws aytoi oi ''kanonikoi'' kai sosialistes k fileleytheroi simera katathetoun stefani sto mnimeio tou thewrwntas to to pio fysiologiko pragma.Anarwtiemai an irthe pote tourkos na afisei stefani sto mnimeio tou Miaouli,tou kolokotrwni i twn antartwn tis santas.
Gia to Byzantio kai ti sxesi tou me ton elliniko politismo den kserw ti diki sou sxesi,alla ksereis oti h hmimatheia einai to xeirotero pragma.
Egw xwris kammia diathesi na to paiksw eksypnakias i na sou pw oti swnei kai kala ayto pou lew einai swsto,tha sou pw na diavaseis ta parakatw vivlia kai na deis ti sxesi Byzantiou-Elladas epistimonika tekmiriwmeni,kai oxi se ampelofilosofies kafeneiou:
1)Anna Mixahl-Vyzantio kai ellada
2)Paul Lemerle-O prwtos vyzantinos oumanismos
3)Mixahl Psellos-xronografia
4)Anna Komnini-Aleksias
5)Michael Angold- H vyzantini aytokratoria apo ton 10 ws ton 12o aiwna (mia politiki istoria)
Yparxoun diafora vivlia pou exw diavasei pou anaferoun ta parapanw pou les,alla pouthena de vlepw TEKMHRIWMENES ISTORIKA H EPISTIMONIKA apantiseis.Vivlia opws h Antignwsi tis Lilis Zwgrafou h ta perifima ''aristourgimata'' tou Mimi Androulaki (pou parempiptontws apo ''thewritikos tou sosialismou'' {to akousame ki ayto} mas egine ypopsifios tou pasok kai twra efage htta) ,pou kinountai metaksy mythistorimatos kai mythoplasias.An exeis kapoia apopsi i kapoio arthro i kapoio vivlio pou leei oti Vyzantio+ellinikos politismos=asxeta h oti Ellada+Xristianismos=asxeta kai ta TEKMHRIWNOUN EPISTHMONIKA,tha xarw na to diavasw.
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Einai ektos pragmatikotitas na prospatheis na katapolemiseis tis ektrwseis? H mipws einai proodeytiko kai fileleythero na vlepeis ''mia ellada'' na pethainei prin kan gennithei? exoun dei aytoi oi toso ''kanonikoi'' pws ginetai mia ektrwsi?
Ola kala afta pou les file petrovgr,diladi sevasti i gnwmi sou.
Alla afto pou kanw quote apo to post sou mporeis na
mou peis ti sxesi exei?
Exeis dei esi pws ginetai ektrwsi?I' to exeis dei stin
tileorasi,i' se kamia eikona enos vivliou?
Egw to exw dei live giati se tetoio xoro kinoumai.
Ki epeidi i dinamiki tou gegonotos kai to paraskinio
pou krivetai apo pisw einai T E R A S T I A ,asto kalitera file mou.Katapiasou me alla themata pou fainetai na ta katexeis
kalitera kai ase to sigkekrimeno kai kalo tha itane na kanei to
idio ki o Karatzaferis ki o Xristodoulos.
Arketos ponos iparxei ston kosmo,den xreiazetai na
prosthetoume ki allon anaparagontas "thewries".
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Ksts ontws mporei na min exw dei ektrwsi live kai gia pragmata ta opoia den exw epafi den ntrepomai na to pw.Alla den katalavainw giati tha eprepe na min asxoloumaste me to thema.Ti tha eprepe na kanoume diladi na kathomaste kai na strouthokamilizoume? den tha eprepe na asxolithei kaneis etsi wste an de ginetai na ekmidenistei,toulaxiston na ellatwthei ayto to fainomeno? den pianw to syllogismo sou apla
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Pisteveis enas san ton Karatzaferi mporei na dwsei lisi
s'ena provlima koinwniko poliplokotato opws einai
oi ektrwseis?
Pisteveis enas san ton Karatzaferi to agkizei to thema,
asxoleitai m'afto gia na dwsei lisi?
Egw den to pistevw.Propaganda sxeti einai file mou.
Den exei na kanei to sigkekrimeno thema me
proodeftikous pou den kai me sintiritikous pou pistevoune
stis paradoseis tou genous mas.
I lisi koinwnikwn provlimatwn den pernaei petorvgr
apo epistrofi se aksies kai idanika,tetoies proseggiseis
mono skotadismo fernoune.
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Ta narkwtika diladi den einai koinwniko provlima? giati oles oi kyverniseis pasxizoun na to lysoun?
Nomizw oti ta koinwnika provlimata an den lynontai apo tis koinwnies den mporoun na lythoun apo kanena
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Parempiptontws (kai asxeto) o FASOULAS efage ton mpoulo kai vgike deyteros se psifous ston peiraia,kai etsi DEN MPIKE stin vouli kai gia ta epomena tessera xronia tha vlepei to koinovoulio APO TO SPITI TOU. 8)
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Egv ap thn alli na su po tin alithia,ine i proti fora pu akuo oti o Karatzaferis den ine Ethnikososialistis.Exis di mipos to filladio,pu leei oti se liga xronia oi allodapoi tha ginun 3.000.000 kai prepi na kanume kati gia na t allaksume?Mi mu pis oti den ton exis akusi,auton i ap to komma tu na kataferode enantion allodapon.Ne o Hitler,elege gia tin Aria fili,alla auto de simeni oti oloi oi Ethnikososialistes,lene gia tin aria fili(alithia,se mia omilia tu o Hitler,ixe pi oti oi progonoi tis arias filis proerxonte apo tin Ellada.Tes pa).Ipa kati san ton Hitler.To oti de leei gi Aria fili,de simeni oti DEN einai ethnikososialistis.Oso gi auto pu les gia simmetoxiki dimokratia de to katalaba,ennois ton Karatzaferi?
Oso anafora tis ektrosis kai genika tis apagoreusis e ti na kanume den ine dimokratiko.Sorry re file,i kopela mu theli na kani ektrosi giati den ine etoimi na megalosi to pedi,dikeoma tis ine na kani ektrosi,afu de mpori na to megalosi.Giati na to apagoreusis.Opos kai polla alla pramata,poios bazi ta oria,gia to ti ine kalo i kako?Ta narkotika?Prospathun oi kibernisis na lisun to problima?Sobarologis?pu to exis di?
Ne o Kemal,skotose xiliades,opos simveni se kathe polemo.Emis imaste agioi?Oso tora auto pu les gia mnimia,Ti na po?Ti th allaksi an oi Turkoi erthun kai katathesun stefani stus dikus mas.Akuo xronia oti i Ellada den einai "kataktitiki" xora,opos oi Turkoi.Les kai bori.Alla ton Aleksandro ton theorume Mega?To ksero polloi tha strabosun me auta pu leo kai to Internet den ine to katallilo meros gia tetoia themata.
Les oti "alla ksereis oti h hmimatheia einai to xeirotero pragma." kai exis dikio,alla se pion anaferese?Gia ta biblia tis Lilis kai tu Andrulaki,den exo idea.Mporo na su protino biblia alla gia pio thema?poli aplopoiimena,oi ellines pisteuan stus theus-progonus tus,ti sxesi exi loipon o Xristiaianismos?O ermis(kai de milao gia ton theo) kseris ti elege?O stauros kseris apo pu proerxetai?Kai polla alla.Kseris i ekklisia tis Tinu pu exi ktisti,ti iparxi kato ap auti diladi?To exi paradexthi ke papas.....Ok,o Xristos ipe polla sosta,alla oxi oti itan theos.Anoiksa polla themata kai tha parakalusa na mi pesete na me fate.Apla sizitisi kanume.An,ethiksa ta pisteuo kapoion,zito siggnomi.
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Pros Theou kanoume kouventa kai oles oi apopseis einai apodektes efoson ypostirizontai logika.Ta dika mou toulaxiston pisteyw den ta exeis thiksei toso poly :D
1)Nai i protasi tou LA.O.S. gia dimopsifisma an to proteinei to 3% tou ellinikou laou prosferei sti symmetoxiki dimokratia kata ti gnwmi mou
2)Ypirksan polloi ''xristianoi'' pou ekanan egklimata se varos tis arxaioellinikis paradosis,NAI.Omws an den ypirxan aytoi oi kakoi xristianoi pou les,simera de tha mporouses na diavaseis OUTE PLATWNA OUTE ARISTOTELI OUTE KANENA ARXAIO.XRISTIANOI ANTEGRAPSAN OLA TA ERGA POU SWZONTAI SIMERA.Giati exoume simera tin apopsi oti ta erga twn arxaiwn irthan se mas aythiparkta.Afou loipon sarwnan olo to arxaioelliniko pneyma sto perasma tous,PWS ANTEGRAPSAN OLH THN ARXAIOELLHNIKH GRAMMATEIA POU MPOROUSAN?
3)H Kopella sou (min to pareis proswpika genika sto lew opws to grapses ;) ) iksere vevaia na kanei erwta kai na mi xrisimopoiei profylaktiko oute antisylliptiko xapi,kai apo DIKO THS KAKO nomizeis oti skotwnontas enan anthrwpo diorthwnei ena lathos? EINAI TO IDIO EGKLHMA ME TO OTAN MIA GYNAIKA AFHNEI TO NEOGENNHTO PAIDI TIS STO SKOUPIDONTENEKE! Kai otan to vlepeis ayto apotropiazeis kai les ntropi tis,alla me tin ektrwsi to thewroume fysiologiko? Isa isa pou einai xeirotero.Etsi lew egw toulaxiston...
''Ne o Kemal,skotose xiliades,opos simveni se kathe polemo.''
Edw me ethikses ligo,oxi oson afora ta pisteyw alla oson afora tous progonous mou.Den einai dinaton na genikeyeis etsi ta pragmata.Ti tha pei ''opws se kathe polemo''?
Egw de gnwrizw na sfaksame emeis ws ELLHNIKH KYVERNISI EKATOMMYRIA KOSMO? Allo ta memonomena peristatika pou mporei kserw gw na mpike enas ellinas fantaros pou tou xane sfaksei oi tourkoi ton pappou kai na kseklirise mia oikogeneia tourkwn,kai allo ENA KRATOS ME ORGANWMENI KYVERNISI NA KA-TA-STRE-FEI O-LO-KLH-RW-TI-KA kai na kanei GE-NO-KTO-NI-E-S sta edafi tis.
SIMERA DEN YPARXOUN
1)PONTIOI ELLHNES
2)PONTIOI ARMENIOI
3)EVRAIOI THS MAYRHS THALLASAS
4)ASYRRIOI OLHS THS TOURKIKIS EPIKRATEIAS
5)KOURDISTAN
6)LAZOI
KAI O-LA ayta logw tis lailapas tou neotourkismou.Oxi ''opws se kathe polemo''...
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Ok,afu theoris dimokratiko koma ton LAOS,pao paso.Den exo kati allo na po.Oso anafora tin ektrosi(xerome pu katalabes oti legontas i kopela mu,to egrapsa sa paradigma),mporis na kanis pedi,akoma kai an paris profilaksis.Antithetos loipon,mia tetoia gineka,kanontas ektrosi,ine kalitero,giati apla an to genisi,tha kseri oti tha tu dimiurgisi problima.De theoro loipon oti ine xiroteri i ektrosi ap to na to afisis se skupidoteneke,adithetos.Ne oi Turkoi ekanan genoktonies,eno emis oxi giati poli apla,den ixame ti dinatotita.Stin katastrofi tis Smirnis,giati thelame na ftasume os tin Agira?Ela sti thesi ton Turkon.An su kanan autoi to idio,esi pos th adidruses.Nevermind.Sigura oi Turkoi ine barbaroi,an to thes etsi,alla oxi oti kai emeis imaste agioi.Auto ithela na po.....
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Oso gia tin Arxaia grammatia pu les,t arxaia pu mathenume,den ine t arxaia ellinika,ta opoia itan pio aplopoiimena,alla etsi opos mas ta parusiasan,oi Xristianoi.Tora,na tus euxaristo,gia t oti metafrasan,nomizo pai poli.Den kanan kati perissotero ap to sosto.Bebaia pio sosto ap ti stigmi pu katestrepsan ena megalo meros tu?
Katastrofi naon(itan blepis idololatres),klisimo sxolon kai polla alla.Su ksanaleo,kseris pu exi xtisti i Panagia tis Tinu?
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A, kai oso anafora tin ektrosi.Exis skefti oti mpori mia kopela,na min exi ti dinatotita na megalosi to pedi kai gia auto na katafeugi se auti ti lisi?An ine eglima,tote giati de tis dinis ta lefta esi i opoiosdipote ine enantion?
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Kai mia erotisi kriseos.Gnorizis oti i katholiki ekklisia stin afriki (kai oxi mono nomizo,as me diorthosi kapoios)theori kako prama to profilaktiko?Kai mi mu pis oti autoi den ine Xristianoi....
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1) gia tis ektrwseis nomizw oti to thema einai ti vazeis pio panw.An vazeis ton eayto sou panw apo ti zwh enos mikrou paidiou den nomizw na einai kalo gia kammia gynaika.To na kaneis paidi enw exeis valei profylaktiko (xwris na spasei) einai 99%.To na kaneis paidi enw h kopella pairnei antisylliptika einai episis 99%.Theleis na mou peis oti oles aytes oi xiliades ektrwseis pou ginontai einai apotelesma tou 1 sta 1000? egw lew oti mallon einai logw tis anehthinotitas mas...
2)MPOROUSAME na kanoume genoktonies,me prwto paradeigma tin Thraki.Tin wra malista pou oi Tourkoi to ekanan stin Kwnstantinoupoli,perioxi pou oi meionotites mas prostateyontan me ti synthiki tis lozannis.(mpravo mas pou den to kaname,alla epeidh mou eipes oti den mporousame)
3)H poreia pros tin Agkyra,oso lanthasmeni kai na itan,itan POLEMOS diladi ellhnes STRATIWTES pigainan kai polemousan me tourkous STRATIWTES kai kammia sxesi den exei me genoktonia(panta milwntas ksexwra apo memonwmena peristatika).Oso gia to pws tha eniwtha egw,prepei na sou pw oti to niwsame ws ellada liga xronia prin,ston atyxo polemo tou 1890 opou oi Tourkoi perasan ti thessalia kai eftasan eksw apo tin athina opou an den itan oi symmaxoi to neoelliniko kratidio tha eixe katalifthei (paromoia periptwsi me tou 22)
Telos pantwn nomizw oti traviomaste poly makrya,kai oi opoiesdipote diafores den simainoun proswpiki antiparathesi.An diafwnisw kserw gw me ton ksts i me ton Lemmy i me ton opoiodipote se ena thema de simainei tipote parapanw apo to oti eimaste skeptomenoi anthrwpoi pou diafwnoume panw se ena sygkekrimeno thema pou o kathenas to vlepei diaforetika.Pote omws nomizw oti den prepei na ksexname ti mas enwnei.Mexri stigmis poly spania exei ksefygei h syzitisi se proswpiko epipedo kai ayto einai pros timin olwn mas sto forum. Allwste eimaste gyrw sta 300 atoma (panw katw) s'aytin tin internetiki parea kai olo kai kserei o enas ton allo,tis apopseis tou kai ton tropo pou skeftetai.
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Tha simfoniso oti oi pithanotites ine liges,an paris profilaksi,iparxun omos.Alla s igura oles oi ektrosis de ginonte logo lathus.ine kai logo tis aneuthinotitas.Alla logo autis,gia na min plirosi to lathos KAI to pedi ginete i ektrosi.Na kratisi to pedi kai na mi mpori na to megalosi?Zimia tha tu kani....Oso gia ta ipoloipa ti na po?Den exis ke poli adiko,alla an ixame kapoion san ton Karatzaferi,tha ta kaname.XAXA.Ego auto pu leo ine oti kanis den ine agios.Exun kani genoktonies oi Turkoi,alla mi prospathis na mu pis oti imaste agioi.Alloste kai oi Turkoi oti kanun to kanun giati tus perni(ameriki,simferoda klp).De leo pados oti imaste san kai autus.Nai to thema exi ksefigi....Alla fisika den malonume,apla leme tin apopsi mas
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etsi etsi ;D
to epiases to yponooumeno megale :lol:
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ti egine re pedia ke perase to post mu etsi asxoliasto? ekana kanena la8os ke den to vlepete?...xmm :09:
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to post su to ida kai simfono apolita......
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ITAN GIA TON POUTSO TO POST SOU GIAYTO TO GRAPSAME STA ARXIDIA MAS :lol: :lol: :lol:
Ante epitelous ekanes register sfentona!
Ayrio katevainw thes na se ferw tipota apo thessaloniki? kammia mpougatsoula? kana souvlaki xwris taxini? ;D
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Pernwntas kane mia stash sthn Krhth kai ase kati kai se mas...
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Kalhmera .
Sugxarhthria stous 8essalonikeis (stous opoious,sigoura 8a perilambanontai kai opadoi-fila8loi tou P.A.O.K.) pou pshfisan Iwannidh kai boh8hsan sthn eklogh tou me tetoia upshla pososta.Mprabo paidia,kanate to swsto.
Pisteuw pws o sugkekrimenos "politikos antras" exei na prosferei polla sth xwra.Hdh,oi politikes dhlwseis tou,aksiologes kai ba8ustoxastes,opws,gia paradeigma "Eixa problepsei egw to "triponto" (anaferomenos sth diafora N.D.-PA.SO.K.) ",exoun arxisei na menoun sth mnhmh twn politwn.
Lupamai pou o Panagioths o Fasoulas den ta katafere ston Peiraia,dioti pisteuw pws einai aksiologos an8rwpos kai oti mporei na sta8ei kalutera apo ton Iwannidh.Ta sugkekrimena proswpa ta fernw egw se sugkrish,ws paradeigma.
Epishs,kati akoma pou den exei sxesh alla sto opoio 8a h8ela na anafer8w : 8ewrw th dunatothta mias gunaikas na kanei ektrwsh,ws ena apo ta xarakthristika mias aneptugmenhs koinwnias.Einai mia koinwnikh katakthsh kai prepei na prostateutei. -Auta-
filika
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Gia to viografiko tou neou yfipourgo grapste tipota opoios 3erei. Gia ton aderfo tou 3eroume alla aytos moy diafeygei.
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Ta narkwtika diladi den einai koinwniko provlima? giati oles oi kyverniseis pasxizoun na to lysoun?
Nomizw oti ta koinwnika provlimata an den lynontai apo tis koinwnies den mporoun na lythoun apo kanena
@petrovgr apla perno aformi apo ta grafomena su kai den apeuthinome se esena.
kanenas MA KANENAS DEN ENDIAFERETE SOVARA NA LISI TO LEGOMENO <<PROVLIMA>> TON NARKOTIKON
KANENAS POLITIS DEN ENDIAFERETE NA VOITHISI ENAN TOXIKOMANI
OLA LEGONTE APLA GIA NA LEGONTE DIAFORETIKA MPORUSANE NA EIXANE MIOSI (DEN LEO LISI) KATA POLI TUS THANATUS PU OFILONTE STIN MAURI AGORA KAI OXI STON MITHO TIS IPERVOLIKIS DOSIS.NA PROSFERANE IDRIMATA GIA TIN KALITERI DINATI ENTAXI TON TOXXIKOMANON STIN KOINONIA KAI OXI TA TRELOKOMIA KAI SKATOIDRIMATA ME GIATRUS KAI NOSOKOMUS/ES PU DEN EXUN IDEA TI ANTIMETOPIZUNE KATHIMERINA KAI APLA FRONTIZUN NA PARAMENUN OI ARROSTOI MESA GIA NA EXUNE TIS EPIDOTISIS APO TO KRATOS GIA TIN NOSILIA TIN PERITHALPSI KAI TIS EXETASIS PU IPOKOINTE SIXNA.
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diabasa ta prohgoumena post peri karatzaferi kai nomizw pws merikoi edw mesa exoun la8os entypwsh gi aytn ton an8rwpo!
akouw oti einai akraios, fasistas, ratsistis ktl. telika ti einai?
egw 8a pw apla oti bghke enas politikos arxhgos kai ta leei xhma kai starata kai pane oloi na ton fane! egw lypi8ika para pollh pou estw den mphke sthn boulh, dioti emena me ekfrazei san politi sxedon apolhta kai me ayton sthn boulh 8a elega oti exw ena aksio ekprosopo! akoma 8elw na kaliergisw ayta pou eipe oti ta megalhtera pososta hr8an ap thn boreio ellada dioti ekei oi an8rwpoi ponane pio pollh thn patrhda tous! kai nai exei dikaio.. to LA.O.S einai ena patriwtiko komma pou ekfrazei pollh kosmo pisteyw, giati perissoteroi einai oi kryptokaratzaferikoi para h fanerh.. kai ayto dioti se aytes tis ekloges kai ayth pou htan pro8ymoi na dwsoun thn psifo tous sto la.o.s thn edwsan sthn nd gia na pesei to 8asok.. me liga logia to la.o.s ta epomena xronia 8a apokthsei megalh dynamh.. ola ayta ta lew oxi oti eimai fanatikos ypostiriktis enos kommatos ka8e allo.. alla ayto pou ginetai sthn ellada den ginetai pou8ena allou..
episis 8elw na pw oti opios kai na bgei pro8ypourgos se ayton ton topo prepei na einai patriwtis !! an den agapas ton topo sou den prokeite na kaneis pote kalo se ayton..
8elw na pw akoma kati gia to pasok.. pote den exw akousei na stelnoun mhnymata enothka ston kosmo.. mia zwh akous gia thn kakia deksia ktl. etsi 8a petyxoume thn e8nikh enothta? h istoria apodyknyei oti thn ellada thn trwei o eswterikos dixasmos..
ayta
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Oso oi aristeroi lene ton Karamanli (ton palio) katharma kai oi deksioi ton papandreou faflata,oso oi deksioi apokaloun tous aristerous kommounia kai prodotes, kai oi aristeroi tous deksious fasistes kai nazistes,ethniki symfiliwsi de vlepw.
Nomizw oti tha ginei siga siga,giati ta pragmata den einai toso fanatismena opws itan prin apo 10 15 xronia.
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Απο την σημερινη Μακεδονια...............
Παρθενικος καβγας
Αν μη τι αλλο αλγεινη εικονα δημιουργησε η επιθεση του
Γιαννη Ιωαννιδη στον Σταυρο Καλαφατη στην πανυγηρικη
συνεδριαση της διοικουσας επιτροπης ΝΔ θεσσαλονικης.
Ο Καλαφατης πηγε να συγχαρει τον Ιωαννιδη και αυτος
του επιτεθηκε γιατι το θεωρησε υπαιτιο της ανακοινωσης
των οπαδων του ΠΑΟΚ εναντιον του...μαλιστα αν δεν μεσολαβουσαν οι ψυχραιμοτεροι και ο καλαφατης δεν εδειχνε
ψυχραιμια θα επαιρνε το επεισοδιο μεγαλυτερες διαστασεις
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ΑΥΤΟΣ ΕΙΝΑΙ Ο ΙΩΑΝΝΙΔΗΣ ....... >:(
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Ksana sta eklogika kentra loipon gia tis Euroekloges.Ta pragmata poly pio xalara se sxesi me tis Ethnikes Ekloges, oxi mono sti xwra mas, alla kai stis perissoteres xwres tis Eurwpis.
Exoume ta gnwsta megala kai mikra kommata, alla logw tou oti to psifodeltio tou kathe kommatos den einai ksexwristo gia kathe perifereia, alla eniaio se olh th xwra, katevainoun kai diafora ''frouta'' pou pragmatika trellainesai sto gelio otan mpaineis sto paravan.
Klassika to komma tou Dimostheni Vergi, me tin ydrogeio sfaira kai ti fatsa tou ''arxigou'' mesa , kai apo katw i mnhmeiwdis frasi ''sta xeria sou kratas ti swtiria tou planiti''!!! :lol:
Eida kai ena komma pou legotan A.K.Y.R.A. (ouden sxolion!) opws kai alla eytrapela...
Ektos apo to xavale omws, ypirkse kai h symmetoxh mikroterwn kommatikwn sximatismwn pou kati exoun na poun.As elpisoume pws h ''xalarotita'' tis psifou tha afisei kai alles fwnes na mpoun stin eyrwvouli :)