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Title: SYNODOS
Post by: ALEX on May 04, 2003, 23:43:04
katarxas oi perisoteroi to paizoun anarxikoi(demek mangia)xoris na kseroun kan ti einai anarxia kai ti ekprosopeui.
ego anarxikos den eimai oute exo diavasei kai polla perei tou thematos tis anarxias.
apla thelo na mou poun oi  anarxikoi enan anarxiko filosofo o opoios na eipe oti anarxia einai na spas na rimazeis ksenei periousia epeidi etsi etsi sou ti gaulose re aderfe.
Title: Απ: SYNODOS
Post by: arafat4 on May 06, 2003, 15:50:44
basika ta pragmata den einai toso aploystefmena....ADITHETWS EINAI POLI PERIPLOKA...anarxia den einai ta spaw giati etsi moy goystarei ekeini tin wra...
distixws anamesa stoys sobaroys ideologoys anarxikoys iparxoyn kai oi aploi xoyliganoi poy oyte poy xeroyn pios itan o bakoynin kai ti ekproswpoyse kai ti ipostirize...parola afta o idios o bakoynin eipe pws panw apo tis thwries kai ta logia einai oi praxeis...oi praxeis prosdiorizoyn ton alithino agwnisti...kai ektimodas oti i thewria tis anarxia ipostirizei ton taxiko polemo kai ton polemo ME KATHE TROPO apenadi sto sistima kai TO KRATOS boroyme na poyme oti i koyltoyra tis amesis sigroysis einai anapospasto stoixeio tis anarxikis ideologias kai toy anarxikoy kinimatos...bebaia otan kais ena datsyn kai spas ena magazi den nomizw oti erxese se alithini sigroysi oyte me to sistima oyte me to kratos...profanws to kaneis epeidi etsi kablwses ekeini tin wra kai fisika den einai mia politiki simboliki kinisi alla mallon mia apsixologiti energeia...
afta ta gegonota exoyn odigisei ton poli kosmo na pistebei oti anarxia einai mono soytia kai spasimata xwris idees kai protaseis...
adithetws.
i anarxia kai idees exei kai protaseis kai sigrotimeni kai sinepi ideologia...kai megali kai simadiki istoria kai simadikoys filosofoys kai...twra an einai i swsti kai an axizei kai
an einai pragmatopoiisimi...psaxte erefniste kai krinete apo monoi sas...
padws mathete prin bgalete siberasmata....
egw apo tin meria moy gia ta parapaw themata gia ethnos kai patrida egw na prosthesw ta exis:
to na agapa kapios to meros poy genithike kai tin katagwgi toy einai apolita igies kai katanoito...oloi mas to exoyme ligo i poli....
to na ekmetalevode omws kapoioi ta ethnika idewdi gia na mas exoyn pionia toys na mas bazoyn na polemame me alloys anthrwpoys kai genika na mas elegxoyn oi dinatoi kai oi ligoi(p.x. megales etaireies)pistevw oti einai lathos.me liga logia mas bazoyn stin pagida twn ethnikwn idewn gia na mas exoyn katw apo exoysies poy aliws den tha dexomastan.
apotin alli einai epikindino kai fasistiko na brizoyme kathena poy leei oti agapaei tin ellada ws ratsisth kai nazisth kai loipa...
o kathenas as agapaei oti thelei arkei na min ginete epikindinos.
Title: Απ: SYNODOS
Post by: PAOK-GALATSI on May 06, 2003, 16:44:00
file arafat exeis apoluto dikaio se auta pou les.symfwno 100%
Title: Απ: SYNODOS
Post by: Tasos on May 06, 2003, 18:23:39
h anarxia ws kinima epanil8e sto proskinio ton 16o aiwna sthn rossia. h bash ths anarxias brisketai sthn arxaia ellada kai se 2 megalous ritores pou autoeksoristikan gia tis apopseis tous peri autonomwn omadwn pou zoun xoris kanones alla me kanones pou dimiourgountai kai kaliergountai xoris na iparxoun pou8ena apla apo sebasmo.autoi pou ta spane simera den einai anarxikoi.einai autoanarxikoi.dhladh mera me thn nixta.h autoanarxia me to perasma twn xronwn egine parakladi tou kommounismou parolo pou oi sxeseis tous den einai kai sto kalitero simeio. egw den anafer8ika se kanenan anarxiko.o anarxikos o ideologos.den einai kata tou e8nous pou anhkei.einai kata toy tropou pou dieikite ena kratos.min ta sugxeoume ola..
kai fisika kamia sxesh den exei o anarxikos..me auton pou ta spaei. to sindesmiako kinima tou paok kapote eixe domes poy htan parmenes apo ton gnisio anarxismo.opws h iparksh enos fisikou hgeth pou den psifizotan..alla kerdize ton sebasmo anamesa solous.auta gia thn anarxia.fasismos sthn ellada oute ipirkse oute 8a iparksei pote.kai autoi pou dilonoun xountikoi einai apogoiteymenoi apo to mpeste skiloi aleste pou exei dimiourgh8ei sthn ellada kai autoi pou dilonoun basilikoi apla pisteyoun sthn proedreuomenh dimokratia.osoi asxolountai me to ti wra xezei o tews h ti ora 8a ftasei sta giannena..einai giati fobountai min kanei komma o tews..kai tous faei thn pita twn xrimatwn.giati ena 5% pou 8a einai apogoiteumenoi 8a iparksei.opws to idio ginetai kai me ton karatzaferh.h ellada einai mia xwra pou oso kai na thn patas o kosmos exei akoma krish. den peftei 8ima eukola.exoume perasei polla ws e8nos kai 8a perasoume akoma perissotera oso iparxoun kati tipakia tipou mpisth tipoy karatzaferh tipoy balianatou. pou den tous psifizei oute h mana tous alla exoun panta gnomh kai kalountai apo tis thleoraseis.tespa.den me afora to 8ema.apla allo anarxikos allo anarxoautonomos, alla basilikos allo xountikos allo deksios allo fileleu8eros.
Title: Απ: SYNODOS
Post by: ALEX on May 06, 2003, 21:13:22
ego simphono me ton araphat apolita kai opos eipa oute anarxikos eimai oute ksero pola polla.aplos ithela na toniso oti i anarxia den einai vasismeni sto na spas kai na rimazeis(opos skeftontai poly pou to paizoun anarxikoi kai einai kai ekmetaleyomenoi apo to kke se pories opos mporoume oloi na diapistosoume).episis tha simponiso kai se arketa me ton taso.
Title: Απ: SYNODOS
Post by: arafat4 on June 19, 2003, 01:49:32
oloi stin adisinodo kai stis poreies,pempth paraskevi kai sabbato....idi sta panepistimia iparxei terastios tzertzeles...


tha ginei XAMOS!!!!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

XTHES trith sto adiratsistiko festival eixe poli kosmo...kathe mera oli mera panigiria ekdilwseis sinavlies katalipseis kataskinwseis....xamos!!!!!! ;D
Title: Απ: SYNODOS
Post by: PAOK_LAMIA on June 19, 2003, 01:53:43
Swstos aderfe..se zhlevw pou eisai panw...Oloi stous dromous na deixoume thn dynamh mas.

Kai prwth petra na fygei gia ton mpatkarkino
Title: Απ: SYNODOS
Post by: lemmy on June 19, 2003, 11:16:23
Μακαρι να μπορουσα ν ανεβω και γω Σαλλονικα.
Title: Απ: SYNODOS
Post by: lemmy on June 19, 2003, 11:37:37
Oσοι ειστε πανω και μπορειτε,ριχτε καμια ενημερωση και σε μας που ειμαστε εκτος.......
Title: Απ: SYNODOS
Post by: PAOK-GALATSI on June 19, 2003, 14:47:04
osoi tha einai panw kalo tha einai na enhmeronoun emas pou den mporousame na pame!giati an perimenoume apo ta kanalia.....opote arafat tha analaveis auton ton rolo!
Title: Απ: SYNODOS
Post by: ALEX on June 19, 2003, 23:05:42
ayrio 8 to proi iparxi sigentrosi sto kautantsoglio gia metakinisi(omadiki) stin xalkidiki.den egine kai tipota to spoudeo simera anamenete perisoteros kosmos(eksoteriko+ellines) to savvato gia tin megali poria.
Title: Απ: SYNODOS
Post by: arafat4 on June 20, 2003, 02:34:40
TO SABBATO THA GINEI I MEGALI POREIA SALONIKA.
gia perissoteri pliroforisi beite www.athens.indymedia.org
kai www.thessaloniki.indymedia.org

gamw to diabasma moy...den me blepw na pigainw se kamia poreia.toylaxiston tha paw to  sabbato....etsi elpizw toyl.


i poli einai tiga stoys batsoys...se kathe gwnia kedrikoy dromoy exei kai mia dimiria mat!!!!!

Title: Απ: SYNODOS
Post by: PAOK_LAMIA on June 20, 2003, 03:47:10
Trelo site re file.Sta favourites katefthian.Gama ta einai na paw kai strato twra kai tha mou vgei to antiexousiastiko mou kai den tha xerw apo pou mou erxontai oi fylakes.
Title: Απ: SYNODOS
Post by: PAOK-GALATSI on June 20, 2003, 14:50:38
vevaia PAOK_LAMIA prepei na eisai ligo hremos mhn kaneis 100 xronia thn thitia sou  :P
Title: Απ: SYNODOS
Post by: ALEX on June 20, 2003, 22:30:01
simera ta pragmata itan para poli irema stin thessaloniki (stin xalkidiki vevea paisane psiles) iparxoun stin paraliaki arketes ekdiloseis me ixeia stimena kalo xavale to kako einai oti oloi einai xorismenoi se paratakseis eno paleuoune gia ena koino skopo(akoma kai sta esokomatika).ayto vevea paraeinai oironiko kai megali malakia kai san ellines kataferame na diasiroume akoma kai to kinima kata tis pagosmiopioisis.ayto pou mou emine einai kati gomenes pou pernane kai vgazoun fotografies se osa magazia toixous exoun graftei sinthimata kai giati mou emeine giati mallon mexri stigmis ayto kataferan oloi oi malakes pou gia enan koino skopo kanoun 3 diaforetikes poreies na tous minoun oi fotografeies axexastes.elpizo na valoun mialo kai na min ta diasiroun ola ayrio gia mia akoma fora.
Title: Απ: SYNODOS
Post by: PAOK_LAMIA on June 21, 2003, 21:33:52
Βλεποντας απο την κωλοτηλεοραση τα σκηνικα στην θεσσαλονικη μου ηρθε πραγματικα να την σπασω με τις μαλακιες που ελεγαν τα κωλοκαναλα.

Σπαζαν και καιγαν λεει τα μαγαζια του κοσμου.

Λιγο ιδεα να ειχαν απο Θεσσαλονικη θα ηξεραν οτι αυτα που καικαν δεν ηταν αλλα απο τα McDonalds και τις τραπεζες.

Αλλα οι Ελληνες εχουν μοσχαροποιηθει τοσο πολυ που την μασημενη τροφη που τους δινουν την καταπινουν και ειναι και ευτυχισμενοι για τηυν αντικειμενικη ενημερωση που τους παρεχεται.

anyway, fight block smash their heads.

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Title: Απ: SYNODOS
Post by: lemmy on June 21, 2003, 23:24:06
Εχεις δικιο.Οι δημοσιογραφοι ελεγαν παλι τα δικα τους,και τα ζωα, οι Ελληνες καταπινουν αμασητα οτι τους δινουν οι δημοσιομπατσοι.Το τι υπογραψαν οι.... ηγετες μας αμφιβαλλω αν ξερει κανεις.ΞΥΠΝΑΤΕ ΖΩΑ......
Title: Απ: SYNODOS
Post by: ALEX on June 22, 2003, 00:52:55
epidi ta ezeisa ta gegonota na sas po ti kaike.kaikan ta macdonalnts,ena katastima tis vodafone,ena amaksi,episis rimaksane ta goodys den ta kapsane kai ta <<psilopragmata>> kamia tzamaria spasmeni kai teoies malakies..i apopsi mou einai oti sekeme pou ta kapsne ayta (ektos apo to amaksi pou efage tin molotof skeftite to idioktiti) tous anthropous pou menoun dipla kolita apo ta macdonalnts stin polikatikia pou tous pirane ta skagia tous skeftete kaneis?mpa.
ayta peri katastrofon apo emena tora paizei sinaylia kato stin paraliaki kai ayrio tha paiksoun kiala happenings enjoy
Title: Απ: SYNODOS
Post by: ALEX on June 22, 2003, 23:06:33
ekana lathos kaikan kiala 2-3 magazia.
eginan 73 silipsis ellines kai ksenoi kai simera ipoirxan sigentrosis ekso apo ta dikastiria gia tin apeleutherosi tous.
oi mpatsoi poiran mpoulo kai oi poli epanerxete siga siga sta fiologika tis.
Title: Απ: SYNODOS
Post by: HANNEMAN.4 on June 23, 2003, 13:15:01
Magkes,Kalhmera.Egw,apo italia,den eixa thn eykairia na parakoloythhsw ti egine sth salonikh mas.Milhsa apo thlefwno me filoys kai moy eipan.Oloi kseroyme oti otan yparxei ena tetoio gegonos se mia polh,ta ektropa einai sigoyra.Symfwnw me ALEX.Toys skeftetai kaneis toys enoikoys twn polykatoikeiwn;Ti ftaine re oi anthrwpoi;Epeidh o kathenas kaylwnei na kapsei ta mac.,prepei na thn plhrwsw egw;Prepei na thn plhrwsei to amaksi toy kathe kakomoirh;Sas to lew timia,an moy spagan emena th perioysia moy,tha katevaina kai tha toy gamoysa o,ti exei kai den exei.MONOS MOY,st arxidia moy:Oxi kai o kathenas poytanas gios na moy kapsei th zwh moy.To idio paei kai gia ta magaia poy ketestrepsan.Prosoxh:Anaferomai sto kathe alhth poy de skeftetai prin drasei,oxi sta paidia poy exoyn ola ta dikaiwmata na diadhlwnoyn tis skepseis toys.Kai sth telikh analysh,toys "hgetes" kaneis den toys peirazei pote.Th nyfh thn plhrwnoyn oi aploi foykariarhdes.
Title: Απ: SYNODOS
Post by: PAOK-GALATSI on June 23, 2003, 16:46:20
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apo www.enet.gr

kaneis den symfwnei me ta spasimata kai tis katastrofes "periousiwn" anthrwpwn pou den ftaine se tipota px:periptera klp klp!(prwsopika kalos ή kakos den diafwnw me spasimata se trapezes poluethnikes ).
se mia tetoia anampouboula kai sthn prospatheia na mhn syllhfthoun apo thn astynomia eginan auta ta spasimata!(kakos eginan to xanalew kai den ta dikaiologw).omws se mia tetoia poreia den symmetexoun mono anthrwpoi pou pistevoun sth syggekrimenh ideologia!"symmetexoun" kai kapoioi oi opoioi einai stalmenoi gia na katastrefoun amaxia periptera fagadika gia na epitrepoun sthn astynomia na drasei opws auth "krinei" kalutera!me xhmika xylo kai syllhpseis!se poses poreies yparxoun asfalites mesa sthn poreia??mporei na mhn hmoun sthn thessalonikh autes tis meres, omws auth thn "strathgikh" akolouthoun kai edw sthn athina!posoi exoun syllhfthei meta apo  poreia apo asfalites ?kai ti katastrofes exoun kanei "kapoioi" apo tis opoies "kapoioi" exyphretountai?den prepei na ta vazoume ola sto idio kazani!


den prospathw na peisw oti oi men ftaine kai oi alloi einai aggeloudia!alla prepei na lamvanoume olous tous paragontes ypopsin mas!
Title: Απ: SYNODOS
Post by: lemmy on June 23, 2003, 17:04:56
Θα συμφωνησω απολυτα μαζι σου....
Title: Απ: SYNODOS
Post by: ALEX on June 23, 2003, 22:14:15
paok-galatsi
tha simfoniso kai ego se genikes grames mazi sou.tha diafoniso sto oti ta episodia eginan  stin prospathia na aminthoun dioti tis lamarines tis anigan me tsekouri(ta ida ayta) kai dostou tis molotof opos episis eitan poli organomenoi aytoi pou itan gia na kanoun episodia kai mono.tora asfalites iparxoun se kathe poreia omos einai epikindino gia aytous na kanoun silipsi mesa stin poreia giati tin gamisan meta.
tora kati geniko peri porias ideologias den mou aresei to oti ola komatopoiountai kai kapioi meso ton poreion prospathoun na stratologisoun neous pou den gnorizoun kai pola pola.
oso gia tous mpatsous aytoi irthan me skopo na diroun na petaksoun dakrigona na tis figi to axti (kai ayto einai tekmiriomeno)
Title: Απ: SYNODOS
Post by: PAOK_LAMIA on June 23, 2003, 22:14:24
File HANNEMAN.4,

Opws egrapse kai o PAOK-GALATSI, kaneis den symfwnei me to kapsimo twn magaziwn twn aplwn anthrwpwm alla isws tha eprepe na skeftomai ligo twn tropo me ton opoio leitourgoun oi mpatsoi kai twn tropo me ton opoio diwxetevetai h plhroforia kai h eikona apo tous dhmosiokafrous kai ta afentika tous sthn platia maza tou ell laou pou ws gnhsio kopadi mosxariwn ypo lovotomh thn dexetai afiltraristh.

Katarxin opoios exei asxolhthei kai exei shmetasxei kata to elaxisto se pories xerei kala ton rolo pou paizoun oi asfalites se aftes. Oloi xeroume oti h asfaleia vazei atoma sthn pories ta opoia otan exeis dipla sou 3 kai 4 kai 5.000 kosmo den einai efkolo na ta diakrineis kai na ta pomonwseis po thn arxh.Otan ta apomonoseis h zhmia exei hdh ginei alla toula xiston exeis thn ikanopoihsh na tous prosfereis to aparaithto "masaz".Den menoun apeksw vevaia kai ta apla malakisthria-xouligkania pou den exoun kamia sxesh me to khnima kai pou pane apla gia na spasoun xwris na xeroun ti spane. Kai afth thn periptwsh h diapistwsh ginetai otan pleon einai arga. Idiaitera apo afth thn kathgoria malakhsthriwn sthn Toumba exoume af8ona.

Oson afora to paixnidi tis eikonas, osoi exoun diavasei oi osoi exoun apla thn ikanothta na krinoun tis periptoseis propagandas kai paraplhroforhshs, profanws tha anaroth8hkan
-giati apo ola ta episodia provlh8hkan kata koron mono oi eikones twn atyxwn katasthmatarxwn kai den akouste lexh gia ti trapezes-tis alysiden kinhths thl kai eidika gia ta McD??? Ennoeitai pws den eprepe na perasei oute kata dianoia sthn anyparkth syneidhdsh tou Ellhna-mosxariou h yponoia oti oi sygkekrimenoi stoxoi isws na eixan koinwniko-politiko periexomeno

-Giati eidika oson afora thn periptwsh tou bibliopoleiou pou kahke, to opoio den dexuhke epi8esh apla eixe thn atyxia na vrisketai dipla sta McD, oi mpatsoi anw elegxan apo thn arxh olh thn perioxh den afhnan EXAKRIVOMENA epi 45 lepta na perasoun ta pyrosvestika?

-giati sta x8esina episodia exw apo ta dikasthria kai enw h sygkentrwsh symparastashs htan ekei apo tis 12 to meshmeri to entelws anaitio ntou apo ta stroumfakia egine 8+ otan ola ta kanalia eixan live me ta dikasthria?Gia na deixoun vevaia oi skatokefaloi oti kanoun kala thn douleia tous kai oti axizoun tis 3kai60 pou pernoun.

GENIKA tha ithela na pw pws opoios exei sxesh me to podosfairo kai  exei paei ghpedo-ekdromes xerei to ypoulo tropo pou leitourgoun oi mpatsoi kai o opoios efarmozetai se oles tisa ekfanseis ths kathimerinothtas.

Oson afora file  HANNEMAN.4 afto pou les oti tous hgetes kaneis den tous peirazei pote, kapoios tous apeilouse epi 27 xronia alla twra den tous apeilei.Sigoura pali den tous apeiloun oi pories me ta synthimatakia apo organwseis opws to koin forum oi opoies primodotountai epishma apo to kratos me fragka, kataskhnwseis klpklp. Ola afta ginontai kai gia to polemo twn entypwsews, gia na vgainei to Pasok ws komma me koinwnikes evais8hsies to opoio afogkrazetai thn fwnh twn lawn kai alles tetoies malakies.
Sigoura tellos den tous apeiloun ta: "EEEEE___OOOOOO____emeis tha stamathsoume ton polemo afto" pou fanazan oi ekatondades xiliades twn antipolemikwn diadhlwsewn.Na eisai sigouros pws kai ston epomeno polemo pali to idio tha fwnazoume,kai sto epomeno,kai ston epomeno, mexris otou o polemos f8asei sto spiti mas kai to mono pou 8a prolavoume na poume tha einai OOOUUUPS!!!!!

Kai na eisai sigouros oti otan olh h Ellada eixe perisy to kalokairi metatrapei se ena kratos xafiedwn kai roufianwn (kyriarxo stoixeia ths ellhnikhs istorias apo arxaitatwn xronwn), kai oloi pezan to kynhgi tou xamenou koufontina_drakoumel, sigoura den tou apeilei kaneis.Ekei tha einai mia zwh kai emeis tha tous kanoume aera sta arxidia.
Title: Απ: SYNODOS
Post by: Tom_Araya on June 23, 2003, 23:08:41
Mpainw ston peirasmo na grapsw tin apopsi mou gia ta epeisodia, kindyneuontas na faw agrio brisidi apo merikous.
Loipon, egw pisteyw oti aftoi pou kanan tis zimies itan merikoi flwroi- oi opoioi amfibalw an ikseran giati ginotan oi diafores poreies sti thesaloniki- pou kanan oti kanan epeidi i astinomia den ithele na dialysei tis diadilwseis -min geliomaste, an oi mpatsoi ithelan mporousan na to kanoun se xrono dt, alla mallon den eixan tetoies entoles- kai telika gyrisan sto spitaki tous opou i mama tous tous eixe etoima soutzoukakia, min tyxon kai aytoi pinasoun. Parte to xampari, aytoi pou kai kala 8eloun na legontai anarxikoi, aytoi pou 8eloun na legontai kai kala epanastates den ftourane mia. Kai stin praksi den efarmozoun tpt apo osa ypostirizoun 8ewritika. Oi knites p.x. sto panepistimio iwanninwn, einai komounistes stin ideologia, alla deksioi stin tsepi tous, einai de toso aneksartitoi pou zoun ws aiwnioi foitites xari stous paterades tous. Oson afora tous anarxikous, kat'arxas na pw oti to 99,9% apo aytous den gnwrizei tipota peri anarxias ws politeyma, kai epipleon poly tha ithela na dw -afou einai toso anti8etoi stin yparksi atomikis periousias- pws 8a antidrousan an kapoios tous ekaige to spiti, i mallon an kapoios kaigontas to katastima tis polyethnikis dipla apo to spiti tous ebale fwtia kai sto spiti tous. Kai stin teliki, amayrwnetai kai i eikona twn -elaxistwn- pou pigan sti thesaloniki me agna kinitra, kai oxi aplws gia fasaries. Kai telika aftoi oi ligoi katantoun grafikoi...

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Post by: lemmy on June 23, 2003, 23:32:01
File Slayer,δε διαφωνει κανει οτι  υπαρχουν μλκς,οπως και ασφαλιτες στις πορειες.Παντως,κανεις δε πηγε ηθελημενα να καψει το σπιτι.Μεσα στην αναπουμπουλα συνεβησαν ολα αυτα.
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Post by: PAOK-GALATSI on June 23, 2003, 23:41:55
alex ta prwta epeisodia ginan se trapezes poluethnikes mac donalds,goodys, etaireies kinhths thlefwnias kai loipa!me thn genikeush twn epeisodiwn eginan ta diafora alla.


twra oi asfalites den tha desoun kapoiwn mesa sthn poreia  alla sto treximo sta gyrw stena! ekei pou tha deis enan typo kai kala frikio na se denei!den xereis apo pou tha sou erthei se ekeines tis stigmes apla elpizeis na eisai tyxeros!apla mesa sthn poreia "kovoun fatses"

file PAOK_LAMIA tha symfwnhsw mazi sou gia ta kanalia kai tous dhmosiografous,me monh diafora den tha tous valo olous sto idio kalathi!yparxei kai mia mikrh-elaxisth meiopsifia pou kanei KAPWS kalutera thn douleia ths!
gia paradeigma otan akouw tous xatzhnikolaou-pretenderh (pou thewrountai "kalh" kai kala )na lene oti autoi pou phgan stis poreies kapoioi tous xrhmatodotoun gia na kanoun epeisodia!!! e tote thewrw APOLYTWS DIKAIOLOGHMENA AUTA POU KANOUN SE "DHMOSIOGRAFOUS" KAI SE OTHOUN NA ANTIDRAS KAI ESY ETSI SE AUTOUS.(parepiptwntos milousan gia thn antiratsistikh poreia thn prwth mera ,an den kanw lathos,pou eixe polu kosmo kai den egine TIPOTA!)

exeresh gia mena apotelese o markelos apo thn net!pou oute yperevale,milhse gia genikes syneleyseis kai genika evgaze mia "eikona" enos anthrwpou pou thn epsaxe ligaki toulaxiston!!den evgaze pragmata apo to myalo tou oute evlepe fantasmata!toulaxiston etsi fanhke se mena!krathse mia stash oudeterh!xwris tis ypervoles "vomvardismenh polh" "ordes varvarwn" tis klassikes ekfraseis twn dhthen dhmosiografwn!!


twra sxetika me ta ypoloipa me kalupteis apoluta

mou thymises kai persy pou kathe asxetos paparas xafiedoroufianos(den htan mono dhmosiografoi) evgene kai milage gia thn 17N kai thntromokratia.h mish ellada eixe perasei apo ta kanalia kai oloi tous gnwrizan!!!!e re gelia!!
eytyxismenh ellhnikh "thleorash"
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Post by: PAOK-GALATSI on June 23, 2003, 23:49:23
tom-araya den tha se vrisei kaneis epeidh exeis antitheth apopsh!an eimastan oloi to idio den tha eimastan athrwpoi alla provata!

eipame ti symvainei stis poreies!mporei kapoioi apo autous na htan "flwroi" opws les esy malakes opws leei o PAOK_LAMIA alla sigoura den antiprosopeuoun olous autous pou phgan stis poreies!toses xiliades apo ola ta mplok oloi axestoi flwroi kai den xeroun mia einai??!!!den nomizw!einai mia genikeush auto pou kaneis kai kalo einai na apofevgoume tis genikeuseis!!

Title: Απ: SYNODOS
Post by: Tom_Araya on June 24, 2003, 15:44:02
Profanws kai o xaraktirismos pou ekana den afora olous alla ena -simantiko nomizw- pososto. Ontws einai la8os oi genikeuseis, kai la8os mou pou den tis apefyga sto post. Kai o xaraktirismos "flwros" afora ekeina ta atoma ta opoia kanoun zimies kai genikotera ekfrazoun to 8ymo se pragmata apsyxa, i akoma nomizoun oti otan petan molotof sta mat einai kapoioi, enw otan exoun na antimetwpisoun kapoion "face-to-face" ekei kanoun tin papia. Genika mou tin spaei na blepw enan na brizei p.x. tous astinomikous, alla otan aftoi kanoun ntou, tote na trexei san lagos,mou tin spaei otan kapoios sta logia einai prwtos, alla stin praksi... tipota. Entaksei 8a pei kapoios, den einai oti eykolotero na antimetopiseis kapoion pou einai eksoplismenos san astakos,opws exoun ginei oi astynomikoi. Egw 8a pw oti an kapoios kanei ensyneidita oti kanei, tote einai diatetheimenos na martyrisei-oxi aplws na faei ksylo, na martyrisei- prokeimenou na proaspisei ta pisteyw tou. To problima omws einai oti osoi kanoun tis zimies tis kanoun giati to thewroun magia, oxi gia na diamartyri8oun. Kai dystyxws den yparxei kaneis apo tous ypoloipous diadilwtes na tous apomwnwsei kai na tous balei tin p**tsa sto stoma, giati mono etsi antimetwpizeis tetoia atoma pisteyw.
Pantws genika einai kalo na ginontai diadilwseis, arkei oi diadilwtes na gnwrizoun giati katebikan stous dromous...
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Post by: ALEX on June 24, 2003, 21:53:55
apo oti vlepo simfonoume pano kato kai kata poli megalo pososto malista.gia tous dimosiografous den ksero ti eipan giati den tous akousa kai den xreiastike dioti eimoun ekei.
tom araya simfono gia tous knites me deksia tsepi apauksano gia tis diadiloseis omos aytos pou paei na kserei gia pio logo pai.den ksero vevaia an einai floroi autoi pou ekanan ta epoisodia ayto pou eida pantos eitan oti paraitan organomenoi kai orismenoi magazia mallon itan prosxediasmeno na ta rimaksoun tora ta alla.....
gia dieykrinisi oi protes manoures ksekinisan stin odo kautantzoglou konta stin ekthesi
Title: Απ: SYNODOS
Post by: PAOK-GALATSI on June 24, 2003, 23:15:33
file alex paroti den hmoun sthn poreia trapezes mac donalds kai loipa htan ta organomena opws les kai auta pou xtyphthika prwta!!!!meta ta spasimata auta kai ta prwta dakrygona  akolouthisan kai ta ypoloipa!
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Post by: arafat4 on June 26, 2003, 02:10:13
ETSI EINAI OPWS TA LEEI O PAOK GALATSI.etsi eginan.


psifiste mpatsok gia perissoteroys xaki matatzides...
Title: Απ: SYNODOS
Post by: HANNEMAN.4 on June 26, 2003, 15:27:04
As frontisoyme-oloi mas-na kratame tis koyventes kai ta post mas MAKRIA apo thn politikh (dhlwsh filoy:"pshfiste mpatsok gia perissoteroys xaki matatzides").Apla,giati pisteyw,den odhgoyn poythena.To thema einai na diwksoyme ayton poy kaphleyetai ta oneira mas GIA TON PAOK MAS.Pantws,mesw internet,ayto de tha to kataferoyme pote. P.A.O.K. PANTOY.
Title: Απ: SYNODOS
Post by: lemmy on June 26, 2003, 21:39:18



psifiste mpatsok gia perissoteroys xaki matatzides...


XAXAXAXA,POLY KALO
Title: Απ: SYNODOS
Post by: lemmy on June 26, 2003, 21:42:33
As frontisoyme-oloi mas-na kratame tis koyventes kai ta post mas MAKRIA apo thn politikh (dhlwsh filoy:"pshfiste mpatsok gia perissoteroys xaki matatzides").Apla,giati pisteyw,den odhgoyn poythena.To thema einai na diwksoyme ayton poy kaphleyetai ta oneira mas GIA TON PAOK MAS.Pantws,mesw internet,ayto de tha to kataferoyme pote. P.A.O.K. PANTOY.


Φιλε,περα απο τον Παοκ,υπαρχει κατι σημαντικοτερο:η ζωη μας.Και αυτα τα πραματα μας αφορουν ολους.Οποτε ειναι λογικο να συζηταμε (και) τετοια πραματα.Αλλωστε το topic ειναι για τη συνοδο....
Title: Απ: SYNODOS
Post by: GENTLESOS on June 28, 2003, 05:26:08
me thimisate kapies katastaseis pou sto sxolio kapia pedia kanane apoxes katalipseis kai otan tous rotousane giati tin kanenete den kserane na apantisoun.
to mono pou tous endiefere itane na xasoune mathima
etsi kai aytoi oi gnostoi agnostoi pou katevenoun mono kai mono gia na spasoun kai na rimaksoun.
Oso gia tous mpatsous kaka ta psemata xreiazonte kai aytoi afou emeis oi idioi den mporoume na apomonosoume aytoys pou theloun na simetexoun kai aytous pou simetexoun is varos ton proigoumenon.
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Post by: ALEX on June 28, 2003, 13:10:50
glentesos
simfono se ola mono thelo na simpliroso kati gia tous mpatsous oi opoioi xreiazontai kai ginontai pio xrisimoi otan den ginete kataxrisi eksousias
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Post by: lemmy on June 28, 2003, 14:06:34
Παντως εχει πλακα.Θελετε αστυνομικους,αλλα τους αποκαλειτε μπατσους.Xm.....Ωραια,ας γινουμε "1984"
Title: Απ: SYNODOS
Post by: ALEX on June 29, 2003, 02:44:52
lemmy kai oi mpatsoi xreiazontai kai oi pirosvestes kai o stratos kai ola xreiazontai kai einai mesa stin zoi gia na kratioyntai oi isoropoies metaksi ton anthropon xoris na ginontai enoxlitikoi diladi ayto pou egine to 4imero se kathe steno kai mia dimoiria itan asximo opos kai na exei omos itan anageo kako gia tin astinomeusi tis polis asxeta an oi mpatsoi irthan me mono skopo na riksoun fapes ayto einai ston xaraktira tou kathenos kai kaneis den mporei na to prosdiorisei ayto.
tora ena ipothetiko erotima leme oti den iparxei dikaiosini den iparxoun mpatsoi kai sizitame metaksi mas ego i esi exoume neura kai diafonoume kai vgazo ego i esi tin koumpoura kai dostou etsi einai kalitera i nomizeis oti stin legomenoi apoliti anarxia ola tha einai armonika?
ola xreiazontai me metro kai na min ksepernaei ta oria oute ego thelo enan mpatso kato apo to spiti mou oute kaneis einai ola mia isoropia pou an kseperastei arxizoun oi manoures.
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Post by: lemmy on June 29, 2003, 12:06:33
Φιλε Alex,αν υπηρχε η απολυτη Αναρχια,αναγκαστικα,εκτος των αλλων,θα υπηρχε και ισοτητα και σεβασμος στον συναθρωπο.Οποτε δε θα χρειαζοντουσαν κατασταλτικες δυναμεις.
Title: Απ: SYNODOS
Post by: ALEX on June 29, 2003, 16:24:04
lemmy
den nomizo na ginotan ayto isos stin arxi gia kapio diastima na ipirxe sevasmos kai allilegih omos meta pisteuo oti tha xanotan giati einai sti fisi tou anthropou na einai ekdikitikos na parasirete apo to prosopiko tou ofelos kai na anaziti tin kiriarxia.ayto an alaksei (kati apithano dioti enas na min alaksei kai na anzitisi kiriarxia se mia pliris armoniki koinoia xoris katastaltikes dinameis tote tha iparxei pliris anatropi ton dedomenon giati tha arxisoun oloi na skeftontai me to ego) tote ayta pou proaneferes einai para poli pragmatopoioisima.
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Post by: lemmy on June 29, 2003, 17:25:33
Δε το θετεις σωστα.Με τα σημερινα δεδομενα,δε μπορει να υπαρξει Αναρχια.Αυτο θα ερθει μονο μεσω της παιδειας,οχι απαραιτητα σχολειο, και οταν ο καθε ανθρωπος γνωρισει και σεβαστει πανω απ ολα τον ιδιο του τον εαυτο.Τ οτι ο ανθρωπος ειναι εκδικητικος και παρασυρετε απ το προσωπικο οφελος,συμβαινει γιατι ετσι ειναι η κοινωνια.Στην τελικη, οταν υπαρχει ισοτητα,σ ολες τις πλευρες,πως ο αλλος θα κοιταξει το προσωπικο του συμφερον?
Title: Απ: SYNODOS
Post by: lemmy on June 29, 2003, 17:30:02
Και αλλωστε τ οτι οι μπατσοι ριχνουν φαπες,δεν ειναι θεμα χαρακτηρα,αλλα το πως τους "φτιαχνουν" στη σχολη.Δηλαδη μου λες οτι νιωθεις ασφαλεια,που υπαρχουν?.Μπατσος=ασφαλεια,ισχυει μονο σε θεωρητικο επιπεδο.Το θεμα δεν ειναι καταστολη,αλλα η αποφυγη.Η καταστολη ειναι κατι κακο.Αλλωστε ολοι ειμαστε κοινωνικα (υπο)προιοντα,γιατι λοιπον να υπαρχουν οι μπατσοι?
Title: Απ: SYNODOS
Post by: ALEX on June 30, 2003, 01:21:58
Δε το θετεις σωστα.Με τα σημερινα δεδομενα,δε μπορει να υπαρξει Αναρχια.Αυτο θα ερθει μονο μεσω της παιδειας,οχι απαραιτητα σχολειο, και οταν ο καθε ανθρωπος γνωρισει και σεβαστει πανω απ ολα τον ιδιο του τον εαυτο.Τ οτι ο ανθρωπος ειναι εκδικητικος και παρασυρετε απ το προσωπικο οφελος,συμβαινει γιατι ετσι ειναι η κοινωνια.Στην τελικη, οταν υπαρχει ισοτητα,σ ολες τις πλευρες,πως ο αλλος θα κοιταξει το προσωπικο του συμφερον?
oso leitourgoume me to xrima (kai kinoumaste) oti paidia kai na pareei kapios apo ta sxolia oikogenia den alazei tpt.
o sevasmos ston eayto sou erxete me tin aytokritiki einai poli aplo den xreiazete sxolio empeiries xreiazontai mexri kapios na to antilifthi.
tin isotita den mporo na tin antiliftho pos tin enoeis akrivos omos ena oikodomima gia na xtisti xreiazete xronos kopos idrotas(poso mallon otan milame gia ideologia xreiazete tromeri idiosigrasia) gia na gremisti omos apetite enas (gia mia ideologia se mia armoniki xoris katastaltikes dinameis koinonia)i ligos xronos katholou idrotas gia kati allo.
Title: Απ: SYNODOS
Post by: ALEX on June 30, 2003, 01:37:37
Και αλλωστε τ οτι οι μπατσοι ριχνουν φαπες,δεν ειναι θεμα χαρακτηρα,αλλα το πως τους "φτιαχνουν" στη σχολη.Δηλαδη μου λες οτι νιωθεις ασφαλεια,που υπαρχουν?
to oti tous ftiaxnoun etsi stis sxole exeis apolito dikaio.
to an niotho asfalia einai ipothetiko kai paizei analoga me mia katastasi opos sou egrapsa parapano einai isoropies analoga me tis katastasis opies apetounte.

.Μπατσος=ασφαλεια,ισχυει μονο σε θεωρητικο επιπεδο.Το θεμα δεν ειναι καταστολη,αλλα η αποφυγη.Η καταστολη ειναι κατι κακο.Αλλωστε ολοι ειμαστε κοινωνικα (υπο)προιοντα,γιατι λοιπον να υπαρχουν οι μπατσοι?
sto proto skelos simfono exeis dikaio oti to thema einai i apofigi kai oxi i katastoli.
sto deutero diafono oute ipo proion eisai oute kaneis den einai oloi exoume ta idia dikaiomata sti zoi oi prosopikotites diaferoun.
sto teleteo to exeis apantisi idi esi apla gia tin apofigi tis vias gia ton fovo ton ioudeon.
p.s. tous mpatsous den tous pao oute ego min nomizeis ayto omos alo to ti den goustaro me to ti xreiazete.
Title: Απ: SYNODOS
Post by: arafat4 on June 30, 2003, 02:05:36
ALEX anoixes me ton lemmy mia poli ipsiloy epipedoy sizitisi gia poli sobara themata kai to epipedo kai twn 2 sas einai poli kalo...afta ta themata poy thigete einai kai themata poy sizitioyde aiwnes twra apo poli megaloys filosofoys...genika egw pistevw oti stin oytopiki koinwnia tis anarxias opoy i elefteria tha kiriarxei i allilegii i aftodiaxeirisi i amesi dimokratia poy den tha mas adiproswpevoyn malakes les kai eimaste proida kai oloi tha exoyme logo gnwmi kai meros tis apofasis kai tis efthinis gia kathe thema poy mas afora...se afti tin oytopiki koinwnia loipon den nomizw oti tha xreiazode batsoi...omws to thema poy thixate den einai an xreiazode batsoi i oxi alla an afti i oytopiki koinwnia einai efikti kai biwsimi kai me poio tropo...o lemmy milise gia paideia...einai kai afto lemmy alla i siniditopoiisi borei na ginei mesa apo agwnes mesa apo toys dromoys mesw tis propagandas me tin kali ennoia...etsi isxirizode kapoioi poy pistevoyn stin anarxia oti ta pragmata boroyn na odigisoyn stin epanastasi kai stin oytopiki koinwnia...oi tropoi fadazome tha einai kai alloi...twra kata poso tha einai biwsimi???exw tin edipwsi oti an iparxei siniditopoiisi kai bei sto medoyli toy kathenos kai pistepsoyn oloi to dikaio kai to anagaio kai palepsoyn oloi gia na iperaspisoyn tin leitoyrgia aftis tis ideologias tote ola einai dinata...
apo tin alli polloi lene<<kai 2 atoma na iparxoyn stin gh o enas tha prospathei na exoysiasei kai na ekmetaleftei ton allo>>...kai afto fenete logiko afoy apoti fisi toy den fenete o anthrwpos na einai kai toso agnos...twra pia einai i alitheia???pedia ti na sas pw???psaxteite diabaste rwtiste sizitiste kai pada na amfibalete...oloi simfwnoyme oti ola afta einai mia oytopia me poli diskoli efarmogi stin praxh...sigoyra gia mena einai mia poli omorfi oytopia...axizei????afto apofasiste monoi sas alla psaxte prwta...

opws kai na to kanoyme omws kathe morfh exoysias apo tin pio mikri stin pio megali einai ... gamimenh...
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Post by: arafat4 on June 30, 2003, 02:37:47
epeidi omws iparxoyn kai alla themata prepei na ekfrasoyme tin allilegih mas stoys silifthides tis diadilwshs oi opoioi katigoroyde se bathmo kakoyrgimatos kai toys fortonwde se polles periptwseis katigories stimenes apo toys batsoys...xaraktiristiki einai i periptwsi agloy siliftheda o opoios otan sinelifthi eixe mazi toy mia ble tsada kai toy fortwsan sto xeri mia tsada mavri me molotwf mesa...sto dikastirio o dikigoros toy paroysiase fwto kai video apo tin et3 poy apodeiknie tin alitheia(gia tin ble tsada) kai oi batsoi piran to boulo...etsi einai...profanws oi asfalites ftiaxan apo prin molotwf gia na tis fortwnoyn stoys silifthedes...xexwra ta dakrigona...tis prosagwges kai to xilo sta kratitiria...tin wra poy i poli thimize foytoyristikes katastaseis apo tainies afoy se kathe gwnia ipirxe kai mia dimoiria...kai fisika iparxoyn kai kaloi batsoi alla genika o mixanismos toy kratoys kai tis katastolis einai mesa sta skata...kai kalos anthrwpos na eisai an beis siberiferese san goyroyni...alla poso kalos na einai kapoios poy dialexe na ginei matatzis...diladi epagelma ...dernw ton kosmo???stin geitonia toys na ftiaxoyn xwmateri toys geitones toys tha dernoyn stis diamartiries!!!!!!!
Title: Απ: SYNODOS
Post by: ALEX on June 30, 2003, 02:45:05
arafat
 epiases to zoumi gia to an einai efikti mia tetia koinonia,oi mpatsoi einai i aformi tis sizitisis kai kapia paradigmata gia ton an mporei na leitourgisi armonika mia armoniki anarxiki koinonia kai efoson anafereis outopiki tin koinonia ayti den polipisteueis oti einai kai efarmosimi kati to opoio pisteuo kai ego.
gia na kerdisis file mou tous aplous polites meso agonon stous dromous prepei na tous kaneis na sevastoun tis apopseis sou katarxas asxeta me to an simfonoun i oxi pos epitigxanete ayto me ton diadiloti/ideologo na sevasti protos ton aplo politi kai tin periousia tou.apo ekei kai epita einai thema epikinoniakis politikis gia na metadosis metafereis tis anisixies/ideologies sou ston aplo politi.
i amfivolies panta tha iparxoun kai einai kalo na iparxoun se tetiou idous themata .den pisteuo pantos oti tha vgei pote ena asfales simperasma peri tis anarxias  an den dokimastei kai iparxei prospathia na diatirithei to pos tha ginei oloi ayti i anatropoi ton dedomenon einai allou papa euagelio.
Title: Απ: SYNODOS
Post by: lemmy on June 30, 2003, 15:07:53
oso leitourgoume me to xrima (kai kinoumaste) oti paidia kai na pareei kapios apo ta sxolia oikogenia den alazei tpt.
o sevasmos ston eayto sou erxete me tin aytokritiki einai poli aplo den xreiazete sxolio empeiries xreiazontai mexri kapios na to antilifthi.
tin isotita den mporo na tin antiliftho pos tin enoeis akrivos omos ena oikodomima gia na xtisti xreiazete xronos kopos idrotas(poso mallon otan milame gia ideologia xreiazete tromeri idiosigrasia) gia na gremisti omos apetite enas (gia mia ideologia se mia armoniki xoris katastaltikes dinameis koinonia)i ligos xronos katholou idrotas gia kati allo.
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Γι αυτο σου ειπα οτι η Αναρχια δεν ειναι εφικτη με τα τωρινα δεδομενα.
Title: Απ: SYNODOS
Post by: lemmy on June 30, 2003, 15:10:43
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sto proto skelos simfono exeis dikaio oti to thema einai i apofigi kai oxi i katastoli.
sto deutero diafono oute ipo proion eisai oute kaneis den einai oloi exoume ta idia dikaiomata sti zoi oi prosopikotites diaferoun.
sto teleteo to exeis apantisi idi esi apla gia tin apofigi tis vias gia ton fovo ton ioudeon.
p.s. tous mpatsous den tous pao oute ego min nomizeis ayto omos alo to ti den goustaro me to ti xreiazete.
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Οσο αναφορα το υποπροιον,ολοι ειμαστε προιοντα μιας κοινωνιας.Καποιοι ομως περιθωριοποιουνται λογω πολλων παραγοντων,γι αυτο εβαλα σε παρενθεση το (υπο).Βασικα ειναι τραγουδι των Γενια του Χαους,αμα το ακουσεις,θα καταλαβεις τι θελω να πω.
Title: Απ: SYNODOS
Post by: lemmy on June 30, 2003, 15:17:34
ALEX anoixes me ton lemmy mia poli ipsiloy epipedoy sizitisi gia poli sobara themata kai to epipedo kai twn 2 sas einai poli kalo...afta ta themata poy thigete einai kai themata poy sizitioyde aiwnes twra apo poli megaloys filosofoys...genika egw pistevw oti stin oytopiki koinwnia tis anarxias opoy i elefteria tha kiriarxei i allilegii i aftodiaxeirisi i amesi dimokratia poy den tha mas adiproswpevoyn malakes les kai eimaste proida kai oloi tha exoyme logo gnwmi kai meros tis apofasis kai tis efthinis gia kathe thema poy mas afora...se afti tin oytopiki koinwnia loipon den nomizw oti tha xreiazode batsoi...omws to thema poy thixate den einai an xreiazode batsoi i oxi alla an afti i oytopiki koinwnia einai efikti kai biwsimi kai me poio tropo...o lemmy milise gia paideia...einai kai afto lemmy alla i siniditopoiisi borei na ginei mesa apo agwnes mesa apo toys dromoys mesw tis propagandas me tin kali ennoia...etsi isxirizode kapoioi poy pistevoyn stin anarxia oti ta pragmata boroyn na odigisoyn stin epanastasi kai stin oytopiki koinwnia...oi tropoi fadazome tha einai kai alloi...twra kata poso tha einai biwsimi???exw tin edipwsi oti an iparxei siniditopoiisi kai bei sto medoyli toy kathenos kai pistepsoyn oloi to dikaio kai to anagaio kai palepsoyn oloi gia na iperaspisoyn tin leitoyrgia aftis tis ideologias tote ola einai dinata...
apo tin alli polloi lene<<kai 2 atoma na iparxoyn stin gh o enas tha prospathei na exoysiasei kai na ekmetaleftei ton allo>>...kai afto fenete logiko afoy apoti fisi toy den fenete o anthrwpos na einai kai toso agnos...twra pia einai i alitheia???pedia ti na sas pw???psaxteite diabaste rwtiste sizitiste kai pada na amfibalete...oloi simfwnoyme oti ola afta einai mia oytopia me poli diskoli efarmogi stin praxh...sigoyra gia mena einai mia poli omorfi oytopia...axizei????afto apofasiste monoi sas alla psaxte prwta...

opws kai na to kanoyme omws kathe morfh exoysias apo tin pio mikri stin pio megali einai ... gamimenh...

Ωραια συζητηση ανοιξαμε.Για τους μπατσους,πιστευω λεμε το ιδιο.Οταν λεω παιδεια,δεν εννοω απλα το σχολειο,εννοω πολλα πραματα,οπως και αυτα που λες εσυ.Οταν ενα παιδι,αντι ν ακουει μλκς για το Θεο,διαβασει το
"θεος και κρατος",σιγουρα θ αλλαξει μυαλα.Οχι,δεν ειναι μονο το σχολειο.Ειναι και ολα αυτα που λετε εσεις.Σιγουρα ειναι εφικτη,αλλα οχι με τα σημερινα δεδομενα.Πρεπει να ερθει ενα μεγαλο ΜΠΟΥΜ,παρτε το οπως θελετε αυτο,για να επελθει η αλλαγη.Ο ανθρωπος δεν ειναι αγνος,γιατι ετσι τον φτιαχνει η ζωη.Αν τα δεδομενα ηταν αλλιως,θα ηταν και ο ανθρωπος αλλιως.Και σιγουρα καθε εξουσια ειναι γαμημενη.Ακριβως,Αμφιβολια,ψαξιμο και αντιδραση.
Title: Απ: SYNODOS
Post by: lemmy on June 30, 2003, 15:20:13
epeidi omws iparxoyn kai alla themata prepei na ekfrasoyme tin allilegih mas stoys silifthides tis diadilwshs oi opoioi katigoroyde se bathmo kakoyrgimatos kai toys fortonwde se polles periptwseis katigories stimenes apo toys batsoys...xaraktiristiki einai i periptwsi agloy siliftheda o opoios otan sinelifthi eixe mazi toy mia ble tsada kai toy fortwsan sto xeri mia tsada mavri me molotwf mesa...sto dikastirio o dikigoros toy paroysiase fwto kai video apo tin et3 poy apodeiknie tin alitheia(gia tin ble tsada) kai oi batsoi piran
to boulo...etsi einai...profanws oi asfalites ftiaxan apo prin molotwf gia na tis fortwnoyn stoys silifthedes...xexwra ta dakrigona...tis prosagwges kai to xilo sta kratitiria...tin wra poy i poli thimize foytoyristikes katastaseis apo tainies afoy se kathe gwnia ipirxe kai mia dimoiria...kai fisika iparxoyn kai kaloi batsoi alla genika o mixanismos toy kratoys kai tis katastolis einai mesa sta skata...kai kalos anthrwpos na eisai an beis siberiferese san goyroyni...alla poso kalos na einai kapoios poy dialexe na ginei matatzis...diladi epagelma ...dernw ton kosmo???stin geitonia toys na ftiaxoyn xwmateri toys geitones toys tha dernoyn stis diamartiries!!!!!!!


Καλα,οσο για τους ασφαλιτες,τα ξερουμε.Παντως,καλος Μπατσος,δεν υπαρχει.Γνωμη μου.
Title: Απ: SYNODOS
Post by: lemmy on June 30, 2003, 15:24:54
arafat
 epiases to zoumi gia to an einai efikti mia tetia koinonia,oi mpatsoi einai i aformi tis sizitisis kai kapia paradigmata gia ton an mporei na leitourgisi armonika mia armoniki anarxiki koinonia kai efoson anafereis outopiki tin koinonia ayti den polipisteueis oti einai kai efarmosimi kati to opoio pisteuo kai ego.
gia na kerdisis file mou tous aplous polites meso agonon stous dromous prepei na tous kaneis na sevastoun tis apopseis sou katarxas asxeta me to an simfonoun i oxi pos epitigxanete ayto me ton diadiloti/ideologo na sevasti protos ton aplo politi kai tin periousia tou.apo ekei kai epita einai thema epikinoniakis politikis gia na metadosis metafereis tis anisixies/ideologies sou ston aplo politi.
i amfivolies panta tha iparxoun kai einai kalo na iparxoun se tetiou idous themata .den pisteuo pantos oti tha vgei pote ena asfales simperasma peri tis anarxias  an den dokimastei kai iparxei prospathia na diatirithei to pos tha ginei oloi ayti i anatropoi ton dedomenon einai allou papa euagelio.

Η αναρχια εχει δοκιμαστει.Αλλωστε,Αναρχια ζηταγαν και καποιοι αρχαοι ελληνες φιλοσοφοι.Δε θυμαμαι,αυτοι τη στιγμη τ ονομα τους(ο Ζηνων νομιζω ηταν ο πρωτος).Σε μια συνεντευξη του "αρχηγου" των Ερυθρων Ταξιαρχιων",ειχε πει οτι τη δεκαετια του 70 στο Μιλανο,για ενα διαστημα,ζουσανε συμφωνα με την αναρχια.Μη ξεχναμε τη Βαρκελωνη.Τέλος πιστευω οτι αρκετα εχουμε να μαθουμε και απ τους Ινδιανους.
Title: Απ: SYNODOS
Post by: ALEX on June 30, 2003, 21:12:33
lemmy
anarxia milao enoontas se pagosmio epipedo ena kratos i mia klisti koinonia(getto) mias polis i enos kratous den einai anarxia kai den mporei na leitourgeisi me anarxiko kathestos dioti einai eukola vallomeno apo epidoxous kataktites skepsou na leitourgouse i ellada me anarxiko kathestos ti tha se ekanan oi tourkoi oi kapioi aloi gia ta petrelea tou aigaiou kai tin ekmetaleusi tou viotopou tis xoras mas.
Title: Απ: SYNODOS
Post by: lemmy on June 30, 2003, 21:16:56
Εννοειται οτι Αναρχια,πρεπει να υπαρξει παγκοσμια και οχι απλα σε μια χωρα.Αυτο που θελω να πω,ειναι οτι εχει δοκιμαστει.Τωρα το αν θα πιασει παγκοσμιως,δε ξερω,θελει ποιλλες αλλαγες και ο λαος να καταλαβει τη δυναμη του και πολλα αλλα που πιστευω τα ξερεις.
Title: Απ: SYNODOS
Post by: ALEX on June 30, 2003, 21:26:00
i aporia mas file lemmy einai idia.
ayta pou ksero einai poli liga kai se poli filologiko epipedo gia ena tetoio zitima ayto pou einai sigouro einai oti oso zoume mathenoume kialla.
kai einai kalo na ginontai sizitiseis gia na mirazontai apopseis.


Title: Απ: SYNODOS
Post by: lemmy on June 30, 2003, 22:04:23
Θα συμφωνησω μαζι σου
Title: Απ: SYNODOS
Post by: arafat4 on July 01, 2003, 13:41:18
ALEX OYTOPIKO einai kati to iperoxo to poli diskola pragmatopoiisimo alla oxi kati to edelws anefikto...an mia tetoia koinwnia einai efikth oyte egw exw apadisi distixws... :'(
pistevw kai egw oti einai para poli diskolo.
xairome poli padws poy kanoyme mia tetoia sizitisi se toso kalo epipedo.sinithws otan sizitaw gia to thema tis anarxias me alloys adimetwpizw terastia arnitiki diathesi...polis kosmos pistevei oti anarxia einai spaw kaiw...enw stin pragmatikotita i anarxia einai mia poli omorfi dimioyrgiki ideologia me poli kales idees...aftoorganwsi,alilegii,amesi dimokratia...klp...
apo tin alli istorika alla kai ideologika i anarxia exei psigmata mesa tis amesis sigroysis me to kratos toys thesmoys kai to sistima etsi wste na dimioyrgithi i nea koinwnia toy eleftheroy anthrwpoy...kapoioi xexnane oti istorika oi anarxikoi kai bombes balane kai dolofonies kanane basiliadwn kai se amesi sigroysi irthane(prwtomagia sikago) kai megalo polemo kanane otan itan dinatoteroi apo pote(ispanikos emfilios)...
twra...ta xtipimata toy black block itan kata bash sigekrimena kai se bash simboliki(kaneis den itan ilithios toso wste na pistevei oti me to kapsimo twn mc donalds kai 5 trapezwn tha kerdizotan kati oysiastiko)...ta xtipimata eixan xaraktira simboliko me skopo na katadeixoyn rizospastikotita orgh kai misos kata simbolwn toy sistimatos...
episis thelw na tonisw oti otan petagode 300-500 molotwf se diarkeia ligoteris apo wras einai distixws fisiko na iparxoyn kai paraplevres apwleies(ilithia ekfrasi twn amerikanwn alla teriazei)...
egine evritera gnwsti fimi poy anaferei asfalites na kaine amaxia sta stena gia na lene meta((den spasan sigekrimenoys stoxoys alla oti na nai xwris politiki skopimotita))ta media.
padws einai pragmatika swsto afto poy eipes alex oti xanoyn kai oi idioi kosmo apo ta baxala.tin stigmi malista poy oloi exoyn anagagei tin idioktisia ws to simadikotero kektimeno tis zwis.blepeis p.x,. anthrwpoys na blepoyn kamena amaxia stin tv kai na lene...>>na ta piasoyn kai na ta kremasoyn ta kwlopeda...enw otan i tv deixnei to pedaki me ta komena xeria apo ton polemo toy irak isws kai na exorgizode ligotero!!!!
opws egrapsa kai prin gia na girisw se ideologika themata polloi isxirizode oti o anthrwpos einai apo tin fisi toy aplistos kai goystarei tin exoysia kathws kai to kinigi gia to xrima...den xerw re pedia ti na pw???makari na min einai etsi...twra oson afora gia tin praktikotita...stin argedini meta tin epanastasi tis katsarolas liga xronia prin kai tin katarefsi tis oikonomias ipirxan axiologes prospatheies aftoorganwsis kai amesis dimokratias...oi anthrwpoi anagastikan na leitoyrgisoyn kai telika na xipnisoyn!!!!anthrwpoi tis meseas taxis katebainoyn kathimerina ston dromo kai i allilegii egine to simbolo toys...apofaseis lambanodai apo tis sinelefseis tis kathe geitonias poy simetexoyn oloi!!!!(akoma kai i goynes poy leei o logos)aneptixan kanalia amesis oikonomias...ergostasia poy eixan egataliftei apo toys idioktites logw xrewn leitoyrgisan katw apo tin dioikisi twn ergatwn poy moirazodas ta kerdi agapisan afto poy ekanan kai eixan theamatika apotelesmata...problimata iparxoyn twra me toys katastaltikoys mixanismoys giati oi idioktites afoy eidan oti to ergostasio anekampse girnane kai prospathoyn na ta xanaparoyn me efodo twn batswn...

ola afta deixnoyn oti den einai edelws anefikto to oneiro gia mia oytopiki koinwnia...
 :P
Title: Απ: SYNODOS
Post by: lemmy on July 01, 2003, 15:32:23
Δε θα διαφωνησω με τον Αραφατ,παρα μονο στο οτι ο ανθρωπος ειναι απληστος.Κατα τη γνωμη μου απληστο τον κανει η ζωη.Ζουμε σ ενα καπιταλιστικο συστημα,τι πιο λογικο αποτελεσμα λοιπον απο την απληστια (και οχι μονο)?.Σιγουρα η Αναρχια εχει δοκιμαστει και ο λογος που δεν εχει συνεχιστει,ειναι απλα οι δυναμεις καταστολης.Το οτι εχει δοκιμαστει λοιπον,αποδεικνυει οτι ο ανθρωπος δεν ειναι απληστος.
Title: Απ: SYNODOS
Post by: ALEX on July 01, 2003, 21:26:05
ALEX OYTOPIKO einai kati to iperoxo to poli diskola pragmatopoiisimo alla oxi kati to edelws anefikto...an mia tetoia koinwnia einai efikth oyte egw exw apadisi distixws... :'(
pistevw kai egw oti einai para poli diskolo.
tin enia tis outopias tin ksero apla to enousa me tin kathimerini akfrasi px.thes na pareis mia rx7 kai i oikonomiki sou katastasi den to sikoni kai sou lei to filaraki sou asto einai mia outopia kapos etsi to ethesa
xairome poli padws poy kanoyme mia tetoia sizitisi se toso kalo epipedo.sinithws otan sizitaw gia to thema tis anarxias me alloys adimetwpizw terastia arnitiki diathesi...polis kosmos pistevei oti anarxia einai spaw kaiw...enw stin pragmatikotita i anarxia einai mia poli omorfi dimioyrgiki ideologia me poli kales idees...aftoorganwsi,alilegii,amesi dimokratia...klp...
apo tin alli istorika alla kai ideologika i anarxia exei psigmata mesa tis amesis sigroysis me to kratos toys thesmoys kai to sistima etsi wste na dimioyrgithi i nea koinwnia toy eleftheroy anthrwpoy...kapoioi xexnane oti istorika oi anarxikoi kai bombes balane kai dolofonies kanane basiliadwn kai se amesi sigroysi irthane(prwtomagia sikago) kai megalo polemo kanane otan itan dinatoteroi apo pote(ispanikos emfilios)...
twra...ta xtipimata toy black block itan kata bash sigekrimena kai se bash simboliki(kaneis den itan ilithios toso wste na pistevei oti me to kapsimo twn mc donalds kai 5 trapezwn tha kerdizotan kati oysiastiko)...ta xtipimata eixan xaraktira simboliko me skopo na katadeixoyn rizospastikotita orgh kai misos kata simbolwn toy sistimatos...
episis thelw na tonisw oti otan petagode 300-500 molotwf se diarkeia ligoteris apo wras einai distixws fisiko na iparxoyn kai paraplevres apwleies(ilithia ekfrasi twn amerikanwn alla teriazei)...
egine evritera gnwsti fimi poy anaferei asfalites na kaine amaxia sta stena gia na lene meta((den spasan sigekrimenoys stoxoys alla oti na nai xwris politiki skopimotita))ta media.
padws einai pragmatika swsto afto poy eipes alex oti xanoyn kai oi idioi kosmo apo ta baxala.tin stigmi malista poy oloi exoyn anagagei tin idioktisia ws to simadikotero kektimeno tis zwis.blepeis p.x,. anthrwpoys na blepoyn kamena amaxia stin tv kai na lene...>>na ta piasoyn kai na ta kremasoyn ta kwlopeda...enw otan i tv deixnei to pedaki me ta komena xeria apo ton polemo toy irak isws kai na exorgizode ligotero!!!!
simfono se ayta ta seimia omos apantas monos sou diladi o kosmos exei mia arnitiki tasi opou akoustei kai mono i leksi anarxia giati ginete ayto dioti exoun ginei tosa kai tosa gia kathara ideologiko skopo tis anarxias pou einai kata vasi sigrousis gia politika zitimata/ideologies pou omos xaraktirizontai kai dikaios tromokratika.
epeisis ginontai toses manoures se diadiloseis oi opoies pratontai ite apo kathara stin ideologia anarxikous (kapioi sigekrimenoi stoxoi xtipiountai) ite apo aytous pou den exoun idea ti simeni anarxia kai aplos tous aresei na tous apokaloun anarxikous kai ta spane kai rimazoun(oti na nai den tous niazei aplos na spasoun theloun) aytous ego tous apokalo malakes.iparxei vevaia kai i aparadektoi pliroforisi ton mme pou katefthinoun ton kosmo(ta provata pou den kseroun apla vlepoun) sto na nomizei oti gia ola ftaei i anarxia oti gianete einai apo anarxikous ta opoia provata pisteuoun ta panta ta trone ola  xoris na skeftoun ikanopoiountai me ayta pou akousan i eidan en meri xoris na theloun na skeftoun ti einai lathos kai ti sosto kai giati ginontai ta osa ginontai.
Title: Απ: SYNODOS
Post by: ALEX on July 01, 2003, 21:44:01
twra oson afora gia tin praktikotita...stin argedini meta tin epanastasi tis katsarolas liga xronia prin kai tin katarefsi tis oikonomias ipirxan axiologes prospatheies aftoorganwsis kai amesis dimokratias...oi anthrwpoi anagastikan na leitoyrgisoyn kai telika na xipnisoyn!!!!anthrwpoi tis meseas taxis katebainoyn kathimerina ston dromo kai i allilegii egine to simbolo toys...apofaseis lambanodai apo tis sinelefseis tis kathe geitonias poy simetexoyn oloi!!!!(akoma kai i goynes poy leei o logos)aneptixan kanalia amesis oikonomias...ergostasia poy eixan egataliftei apo toys idioktites logw xrewn leitoyrgisan katw apo tin dioikisi twn ergatwn poy moirazodas ta kerdi agapisan afto poy ekanan kai eixan theamatika apotelesmata...problimata iparxoyn twra me toys katastaltikoys mixanismoys giati oi idioktites afoy eidan oti to ergostasio anekampse girnane kai prospathoyn na ta xanaparoyn me efodo twn batswn...

ola afta deixnoyn oti den einai edelws anefikto to oneiro gia mia oytopiki koinwnia...
 :P

i katarefsi tis oikonomias stin argentini einai en gnosi mou ta oipoloipa simvanta ta matheno tora.kai na to po poli laika ama mpei to aygo ston kolo tote trexoume pio prin agro agorazoume.telos panton ayto einai kati to thetiko opos kai na tokanoume omos pisteuo oti kaneis mia poli sovari paralipsi i opoia einai to megalo pososto eglimatikotitas pou iparxei stin argentini idikotera meta tin katareusi tis oikonomias kai para ta osa gegonota aneptikses ta opoia den amfisvito oute omos oriotheto mou deixnei oti xreiazete poli doulia kai epeksergasia tou mialou tou anthropou gia doulepsei se rithmous pou apeti i to anarxiko kathestos.
oso anafora gia tous idioktites einai oi legomenoi kataktites pou edosa san paradigma oti an den ginei kati olokliromeno einai ektethimeno to kathestos olo pros olous.
Title: Απ: SYNODOS
Post by: lemmy on July 01, 2003, 21:46:17
Δε φταινει οι μλκς,οπως τους αποκαλεις,αλλα η μαζα που δε σκεφτεται δε διαβαζει και καταπινει αμασητα οτι της δινουν το Μεσα Μαζικης Εξημερωσης,σωστα το ειπες.Αλλωστε αν αυτοι χαρακτηριζονται τρομοκρατες,πως να χαρακτηριστει η (καθε) κυβερνηση?Το οτι ο λαος δε σκεφτεται,δεν ειναι οτι δε θελει,ειναι οτι δε μπορει.Γιατι ετσι του εμαθαν.
Title: Απ: SYNODOS
Post by: ALEX on July 01, 2003, 21:59:26
Δε φταινει οι μλκς,οπως τους αποκαλεις,αλλα η μαζα που δε σκεφτεται δε διαβαζει και καταπινει αμασητα οτι της δινουν
apla pragmata lemmy pas sto gipedo vlepeis kati mempto o diplanos sou oxi xoneis mpinelikia kai arxizei meta kai apo esena o diplanos sou na ta xonei kai aytos etsi to theto.
το Μεσα Μαζικης Εξημερωσης,σωστα το ειπες.
esi kian to eipes sosta  ;) poli kalo eksipno simfono
Αλλωστε αν αυτοι χαρακτηριζονται τρομοκρατες,πως να χαρακτηριστει η (καθε) κυβερνηση?Το οτι ο λαος δε σκεφτεται,δεν ειναι οτι δε θελει,ειναι οτι δε μπορει.Γιατι ετσι του εμαθαν.
kai edo simfono ala ti na se po tora den ksero ilikrina as tou poume pros to paron "nomimi simferontologiki tromokratia" aytos o xaraktirismos isxiei kai stin kathimerinotita.se epipedo ergasias einai idietera auksimeno vevaia.

ps.mia paralipsi na simpliroso to gegonos apokalo tromokratiko kai kat'epektasi onomazete kai o ideologos pou kanei tin praksi theloume den theloume.den mporo na doso alo xaraktirismo giati meta tha ethelotiflo.
Title: Απ: SYNODOS
Post by: lemmy on July 01, 2003, 22:06:07
Και αλλο ενα, ΜΜΕ=Μλκς μαζικης ενημερωσης.
Title: Απ: SYNODOS
Post by: test on April 25, 2005, 14:43:17
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Title: Απ: SYNODOS
Post by: chris on December 04, 2005, 00:24:00
h anarxia ws kinima epanil8e sto proskinio ton 16o aiwna sthn rossia.

autoi pou ta spane simera den einai anarxikoi.einai autoanarxikoi.dhladh mera me thn nixta.h autoanarxia me to perasma twn xronwn egine parakladi tou kommounismou parolo pou oi sxeseis tous den einai kai sto kalitero simeio. egw den anafer8ika se kanenan anarxiko.

o anarxikos o ideologos.den einai kata tou e8nous pou anhkei.einai kata toy tropou pou dieikite ena kratos.min ta sugxeoume ola..
kai fisika kamia sxesh den exei o anarxikos..me auton pou ta spaei.

to sindesmiako kinima tou paok kapote eixe domes poy htan parmenes apo ton gnisio anarxismo.opws h iparksh enos fisikou hgeth pou den psifizotan..alla kerdize ton sebasmo anamesa solous.auta gia thn anarxia.

fasismos sthn ellada oute ipirkse oute 8a iparksei pote.kai autoi pou dilonoun xountikoi einai apogoiteymenoi apo to mpeste skiloi aleste pou exei dimiourgh8ei sthn ellada kai autoi pou dilonoun basilikoi apla pisteyoun sthn proedreuomenh dimokratia.osoi asxolountai me to ti wra xezei o tews h ti ora 8a ftasei sta giannena..einai giati fobountai min kanei komma o tews..kai tous faei thn pita twn xrimatwn.giati ena 5% pou 8a einai apogoiteumenoi 8a iparksei.opws to idio ginetai kai me ton karatzaferh.h ellada einai mia xwra pou oso kai na thn patas o kosmos exei akoma krish. den peftei 8ima eukola.exoume perasei polla ws e8nos kai 8a perasoume akoma perissotera oso iparxoun kati tipakia tipou mpisth tipoy karatzaferh tipoy balianatou. pou den tous psifizei oute h mana tous alla exoun panta gnomh kai kalountai apo tis thleoraseis.tespa.den me afora to 8ema.apla allo anarxikos allo anarxoautonomos, allo basilikos allo xountikos allo deksios allo fileleu8eros.