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PAOK => PAOK in ENGLISH => Topic started by: sc.heerenveen on August 07, 2009, 16:16:54
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Hello,
I'm from SC Heerenveen. I think we will beat you :D
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Hello,
I'm from Heerenveen.
What do you expect? I expect SC Heerenveen will win this :D
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These matches will be unforgetable to you.Take videos and cameras.The show begins
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next year my friend.next year in europa league 2010-2011. you will expect to win some others teams. not us
just watch your national league
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Hello people of Greece
Good luck for the upcoming games
We made not a good start of the competition but i think we are ready for the game on 20th august
Our fan-culture is not as ''crazy'' as yours but we got a nice stadium with nice supporters
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHD4fDNShH0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHD4fDNShH0)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnHBu-KopzE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnHBu-KopzE)
The last one is a part of our anthem. Friesland is our region, we now belong to Holland but hunderds of years ago we had an own land.
www.frisianpride.nl (http://www.frisianpride.nl)
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I think It is 50 / 50.
Our team has got weaknesses, but undoubtedly I demand from our coach and players to win these 2 games because PAOK is PAOK.
Once upon a time, diego maradona(napoli), barcelona, arsenal and bayern (and many others) have all prayed for MERCY when they faced PAOK.
The time has come for europe to understand that we are back, and that we are not joking.
But i respect and value hereenvern.
50/50 given our weaknesses...
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Íá ôïõ Ýëåãá ôþñá ãéá ôçí äýíáìç ôçò Ýäñáò ìáò; ÌåôÜ ôá ÷èåóéíÜ ôé íá ôïí ðåéò… ???
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Do you remember our coach TROND SOLLIED? He's a nice guy ;D
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Yeah, sure world famous because of hand-writting notes during matches
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And because he's a real cupfighter. ;D Im glad the Europe League is a cup to (a cup we will never win, but finishing last 16 would be cool)
We never won a price before, he came and get the Dutch Cup in his first season.. Unbelieveble
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Will you come to see our game in Toumba 20 August?
We are planning to come to Netherlands,
but airflight tickets are expensive.
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I dont know
Its far away and expensive in this time of the year
I hoped for Sigma of Chesz Republik or Hearts in Scotland
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Sollied ? the former coach of gay-vros the most dirty team (together with panathinaikos) in greece or even europe ?
you can tell him we are waiting for him at TOUMBA without the protection of the referies and the greek football association.
i wish your team good luck in the national cup and championship but in europe your trip has ended since today 14.30 where you draw against the great PAOK.
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Hello malaka .
You are a big poustraki .
I am from Toumba kai tha se gamisw !
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Hello,
I'm from Heerenveen.
What do you expect? I expect SC Heerenveen will win this :D
You expect too much. But you can always hope!
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Sollied ? the former coach of gay-vros the most dirty team (together with panathinaikos) in greece or even europe ?
you can tell him we are waiting for him at TOUMBA without the protection of the referies and the greek football association.
i wish your team good luck in the national cup and championship but in europe your trip has ended since today 14.30 where you draw against the great PAOK.
We will see. We heard this a lot times before against other teams who didnt win in our stadium
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Dutch people always lose their sense of humour when they have to deal with Greeks.
We are waiting some faggots like you in our stadium in Thessaloiniki (Toumba) BUT in the second game at your stadium, you must prepare yourselves to watch black-white crazy people on the stands giving lessons on how to support a team when it plays away...
Barbarism begins at Toumba and ends in Heerenveen....
P.S. Photos or any other media are strongly allowed...
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tell me please heernenveen is far away from rotterdam?
Can we find there any cheap hotel rooms at the end of August?
Is your stadium foul on every game? i read that the capacity is 26000... and your city is about 45.000... is it true?
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tell my please heernenveen is far away from rotterdam?
Can we find there any cheap hotel rooms at the end of August?
Is your stadium foul on every game? i read that the capacity is 26000... and your city is about 45.000... is it true?
Like 2/2,5 hours with car
Yeah just search google for hotel rooms.... You will find a lot
Our stadium is always sold out in competition games since opening in 1994 but with European games you might have a chance to get a ticket
You can bring about 1200 supporters to our stadium
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http://www.subsidesports.com/uk/images/product/large/HeerenveenHSS0708.gif (http://www.subsidesports.com/uk/images/product/large/HeerenveenHSS0708.gif)
What the hell is this? Your team has tomatos or hearts in the t-shirt ?
I think it's perfect for working in super market or for the valentine day, really good....
For now you can tell all the kind of bullshit but in the end you will kiss our ass, be ready for that malakes
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kdg9TN7kx_Y (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kdg9TN7kx_Y)
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WE WILL FUCK THERE EVERYTHING..PAOK AGAINST ALL..
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I think it's 50-50. It could have been a much worse draw for both of us.
Our team is not at the desired level yet, cause practically we're still in the pre-season. The Eredivisie is already on its way, so you guys should be in much better shape. I just hope we can catch up in the 2 weeks left for the first leg.
I like the fact that your fans always turn up in big numbers in every game, we are like that as well. I don't think that 1500 tickets for the second leg are gonna be enough for us though. How many of your fans do you reckon are gonna show up at the first game?
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You can bring about 1200 supporters to our stadium
Dear Ane, 1200 tickets are not even enough for our supporters from Gremany and the surrounding countries, let alone those that will come from Greece!
Your team will need to do better than that so that there is no trouble on the day. We need at least 3000 !
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Παιδια νταξει οσοι βριζετε τον Ολλανδο ειστε για κοκκινι καρτα, δηλαδη δεν θα σας πω και πως θα συμπεριφερεστε αλλα ο ανθρωπος νομιζω νταξει ειναι μαλακια να τους βριζουμε....
I agree, 50/50...
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έτσι ακριβώς, συνεχίστε να τον βρίζετε, να λέτε θα κάνουμε θα ράνουμε τούμπα κόλαση και blablabla και όταν έρθει η herenveen τούμπα καθηστε όλοι στα καρεκλάκια, φάτε το σποράκι σας και μη βγάλετε αχνα, ξέρετε εσείς, όπως χθες με τη βαλερέγκα :cwm23:
My dutch friend I believe that the game is 50/50 : you will probably be more prepared given your league has already started but I think PAOK is a better team. We know, however, tha dutch teams are serious and well trained teams so it will be an interesting game and, hopefully, PAOK will win :D
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εσυ galatis4 παλι τα εμαθες ολα αποτομα...
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Καλα ρε μην το παιρνετε τοσο κατακαρδα, ουτε εσας να βριζαμε...Αμα δε γουσταραν να τις ακουσουν απλα να μην ειχαν γραφτει στο φορουμ για να πουνε εξυπναδες...
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απο τα εξι μηνυματα που εχει γραψει ουτε μισο δεν υπαρχει με εξυπναδες κ λοιπες μαλακιες σε αντιθεση με καποιων αλλων εδω μεσα.
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Μαγκες, το παλικαρι ηρθε να πει γεια, ας μην χαλασουμε το καλο κλιμα.
ΠΑΝΤΩΣ οσο για τους οπαδους της χερενφεερν, πηγα στο τοπικ τους, σχεδον ολοι, ολοι μα ολοι, μας φοβουνται, λενε οτι τελιωσε η πορεια τους, οτι ειμασταν περισυ δευτεροι, οτι θα τους αποκλεισουμε, οτι μαλλον δυσκολο να μας περασουν.
Νομιζω εχουν ξεγελαστει απο την περισυνι πορεια μας, γιατι αδερφια, οσο και να θελουμε, δεν ειμαστε και τοσο υπερομαδα να εχουνε κιολας αποκλεισει τον εαυτο τους.
DUTCHMAN, if you will, tell us, who are your most valuable players??
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Please tell us about your team
because our coach is sleeping during the game.
We have very offensive team.
We always play with 3 clean strikers.
At the first game we will play with 4 strikers to score definitely.
Our strong point is attack.
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We always play with 3 clean strikers.
No,no, no!!! Don't believe him my kaaskop friend!!! Our strikers are always rather... dirty 8)!
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hey SC.Heerenveen, I think it's 50/50, but in the end PAOK will prevail.
I am following your game today, and you are losing to Nijmegen 4-1, with Papadopulos scoring for you. Since I am a friend of Papdopulos's father I have been following his career closely. Can you tell how he has been playing with Heerenveen so far?
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Hello I' m from Naimegen kai my name is van ntorten.....
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no offence, but what do the red hearts symbolize in your team's symbol? it looks like the symbol of a chocolate company or something. no seriously, how can you be a bad-ass supporter with this kind of symbol? PAOK may win anybody, and lose from anybody, it has been this way for many years so the game result is pretty random. but your symbol is...freaky. I hope your fans aren't signed up with gay pride or something. seriously dude, red HEARTS? little valentines? common......
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Please tell us about your team
because our coach is sleeping during the game.
We have very offensive team.
We always play with 3 clean strikers.
At the first game we will play with 4 strikers to score definitely.
Our strong point is attack.
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Hello malaka .
You are a big poustraki .
I am from Toumba kai tha se gamisw !
@ Diego-4:
Δλδ εσυ δε ντρεπεσαι για τα μπινελικια κ ο αλλος πρεπει να ντραπει για το καλαμπουρι;; :-\ Στην τελικη αφου τα γραφεις γραψτα κομπλε-ντομπρα στα αγγλικα να καταλαβει κ ο αλλος ;D
Η κανει πολυ ζεστη τελικα ή μας πειραξε πολυ το διπλο προχτες...!!!
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υπάρχει και το δικό τους forum
http://sc.heerenveen.org/forum/viewforum.php?f=27 (http://sc.heerenveen.org/forum/viewforum.php?f=27)
με topic για το παιχνίδι
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Hello malaka .
You are a big poustraki .
I am from Toumba kai tha se gamisw !
@ Diego-4:
Δλδ εσυ δε ντρεπεσαι για τα μπινελικια κ ο αλλος πρεπει να ντραπει για το καλαμπουρι;; :-\ Στην τελικη αφου τα γραφεις γραψτα κομπλε-ντομπρα στα αγγλικα να καταλαβει κ ο αλλος ;D
Η κανει πολυ ζεστη τελικα ή μας πειραξε πολυ το διπλο προχτες...!!!
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Τι εγινε ξαφνικα οι απανταχου συμφορουμιτες αποφασισαν να παραδωσουν μαθηματα ηθους και αξιοπρεπειας σε 1-2 Ολλανδους που το πρωτο πραγμα που ειπαν ειναι οτι θα σας αποκλεισουμε και θα σας νικησουμε...
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Sorry for greek lang. but there have been written some controversial opinions....
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υπάρχει και το δικό τους forum
[url]http://sc.heerenveen.org/forum/viewforum.php?f=27[/url] ([url]http://sc.heerenveen.org/forum/viewforum.php?f=27[/url])
με topic για το παιχνίδι
μπηκα ενα λεπτο εκλαψα απτα γελια.δεν παιζεστε μερικοι
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Έχω λιώσει στο γέλιο μιλάμε στο φόρουμ τους.. μερικοί δεν παλευόσαστε ρε μάγκες..
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no offence, but what do the red hearts symbolize in your team's symbol? it looks like the symbol of a chocolate company or something. no seriously, how can you be a bad-ass supporter with this kind of symbol? PAOK may win anybody, and lose from anybody, it has been this way for many years so the game result is pretty random. but your symbol is...freaky. I hope your fans aren't signed up with gay pride or something. seriously dude, red HEARTS? little valentines? common......
Λουλούδια είναι...
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Ακομα καλυτερα....Εσεις που δειχνετε τοσο μεγαλο ενδιαφερον...παραγγειλτε μου καμια φανελα τους για να τη βαλω διπλα σε καμια ανθοδεσμη.Bayern4 αν εμπαιναν οπαδοι απο αλλη ελληνικη ομαδα θα τους ειχατε βρισει και θα ειχαν διαγραφει απο εδω μεσα και χωρις να προκαλεσουν, τωρα σας επιασαν οι καλοσυνες....
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A warm welcome to all PAOK fans and SC Heerenveen fans who visit our forum. In order to separate the Greek and English discussions we decided to start this topic.
From now on, all discussions related to this match in English will take place here. All relative past posts will move here as soon as possible.
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Λάθος ο ντανιέλ αν κ νιονιος κατά διαστήματα που γράφει στο φόρουμ έχει αντέξει χωρίς πολλές ακρότητες
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You can bring about 1200 supporters to our stadium
Dear Ane, 1200 tickets are not even enough for our supporters from Gremany and the surrounding countries, let alone those that will come from Greece!
Your team will need to do better than that so that there is no trouble on the day. We need at least 3000 !
Then you are really unlucky with meeting our team because that's maximum for away supporters ;) We lost in Wolfsburg 5-1 last year, but we could take like 4000/5000 to germany.. In Heerenveen that's impossible
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no offence, but what do the red hearts symbolize in your team's symbol? it looks like the symbol of a chocolate company or something. no seriously, how can you be a bad-ass supporter with this kind of symbol? PAOK may win anybody, and lose from anybody, it has been this way for many years so the game result is pretty random. but your symbol is...freaky. I hope your fans aren't signed up with gay pride or something. seriously dude, red HEARTS? little valentines? common......
The seven red pompeblκden are a reference to the Frisian "sea countries" in the Middle Ages: independent regions along the coast from Alkmaar to the Weser who were allied against the Vikings. There were never precisely seven distinct rulers, but the number seven probably has the connotation "many." Some sources hold, however, that there have been seven Frisian lands: West Friesland, Westergoa, Eastergoa, Hunsingo, Fivelingo, Emsingo, and Jeverland.
The pompeblκden are used in other related flags such as the flag of the Ommelanden in neighbouring Groningen Province, a historically Frisian area, and for a proposed pan-Frisia flag put forth by the Groep fan Auwerk.
The ''hearts'' are cald pompeblκden and symbolize a big history of sc Heerenveen and the Frisians.
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Discussion in English from now on, here please:
http://www.paokworld.com/paokworldboard/index.php/topic,10917.msg281548/topicseen.html#new (http://www.paokworld.com/paokworldboard/index.php/topic,10917.msg281548/topicseen.html#new)
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well i'm sure they do, i respect your history. but when a football fan looks at your symbol, he won't think about Frisian history or the flag of Ommelanden. He will think of something else! Moreover, i'm sure your opponents aren't exactly discouraged by seeing 11 men with red hearts on their chest. why not swords, why not shields or something more characteristic? red hearts? you're comfortable with that?
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Good luck to both teams , i hope we'll have two good games and the best team advances hopefully thats PAOK FC .
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Hello I' m from Naimegen kai my name is van ntorten.....
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :extralaugh: :extralaugh: :biggrin: :biggrin:
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You can bring about 1200 supporters to our stadium
I suggest you give mush more tickets to avoid what happened last year to Grandmamma’s in Kautatzoglio Stadium.
1.200 tickets are too few to satisfy the needs of PAOK supporters. Give mush more tickets If you want to avoid a dou and take all your petalo without tickets.
:tsigaro:
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:lol:
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Hallo Dutsch Herenfeen supporterts!
Congratulations for your big win against olimpiakos, before some years in Champions League!
It was a moment of pleasure for all PAOK funs.
Troad Sollied, is a very good coach. He can teach the players how to sleep during the game. :P
We was wondering, how stupid was and what the fuck was writing in his papers!!
He was coach of the dirtiest team of the universe.
But you are not so lucky. PAOK is better team than yours, so your experience in Europe cups, is going to finish, for this year. Good luck in your domestic games :)
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Hi dear Heereneen suporters. Wellcome to our site. We hope you'll become PAOK supporters too, after the games between our teams. You'll see something you never saw before and you'll neve forget it.
As far as the result concerns, sorry to tell you but for this year "GAME OVER" in Europa League. That's for sure.
Enjoy the experience
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Who is Asimarakis???
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Who is Asimarakis???
Best Greek attacker we have ever seen in Holland. ;D
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well i'm sure they do, i respect your history. but when a football fan looks at your symbol, he won't think about Frisian history or the flag of Ommelanden. He will think of something else! Moreover, i'm sure your opponents aren't exactly discouraged by seeing 11 men with red hearts on their chest. why not swords, why not shields or something more characteristic? red hearts? you're comfortable with that?
You just dont get it. The symbole isnt a heart.
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What is it? Tell us about it.
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Παιδια νουφαρα ειναι οχι καρδιες στανταρ αυτο.. απλα μοιαζουν παρα πολυ.. μεταφραστε το στα αγγλικα γιατι δεν βγαζω ακρη με την λεξη νουφαρο... :D :D
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νούφαρο: lily pad, lotus, pond lily, water lily :icon23:
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Ane Lenstra shorter Friday the morning visited an oculist because you will not believe in your glance with what you will see in the ground of Toympa.
oh, where are you? 2-0 Muslimovic, Ivic is it ok? Can i let it?
(α, και που σαι?2-0 με Μουσλιμοβιτς και Ιβιτς ειναι καλα? Να τ αφησω? ;D )
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we talk, i have play them ! i don't hold me to hear her for the goods the wednesday!
(μιλάμε τα έχω παίξει, δεν κρατιέμε να την ακούσω για τα καλά την πέμπτη)
;D
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hahaha!!!you are not playing!what other are we going to hear!!!
(xaxaxa!!!δεν παίζεστε!!!τι άλλο θα ακούσουμε!!!)
:P
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it will take you and it will lift you, if you don't spit your throat ! you will be for a lot of wood we talk!
(θα σας πάρει και θα σας σηκώσει αν δεν φτύσετε τα λαρύγγια σας. θα είσαστε για πολύ ξύλο μιλάμε)
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Dear heerenveen fans,
don't try to take out the edge of what we write in here,
we have just been eaten by the cum.
(Αγαπητοι οπαδοι της χερενφεν,
μη προσπαθείτε να βγάλετε ακρη απο αυτα που γραφονται εδω μεσα,
απλα μας εφαγε η μαλακία!
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Masturbation goes cloud...
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As it comes closer, my dick grows bigger!
(Όσο ζυγώνει η π@τσα μεγαλώνει!)
:rasta:
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i dont talk very best england but i thing ΠAOK will clean the laundry easy from the first fortyfive minoutes and you will play it for good with the battlefield atmosfair of toumpa.
ps.1 you are also welcome to drink our special coctail toumpa_libre before the game outside of the stadium and share your opinions about european football with us 8) (everybody knows about our hosptallitty to the other team fans) :P
ps.2 your players better not to wear white shorts at that game cause they may change colour after the entance into the stadium
ps.3 good luck on your league, cause europa leugue has already finished for you, but you ve just dont know it yet
βαριέμαι να μεταφράσω αλλά θα συμφωνήσω με τους προλαλήσαντες..
we have just been eaten by the cum
Masturbation goes cloud...
edit:
and some greek wisdom of the people, just for Heerenveens (bonus) now that it turns..
If you cant avoid a rape, better sit and enjoy it!! ;)
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Heerenveen, you are for the festivals !
(....είστε για τα πανηγύρια)
PAOK and dry bread !
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And when I go to the crazy doctor, to tell him how much I love you...
and when I go to the crazy doc, then I will drive him mad as well! Lalalala...lalalala...
lalalala lalalala lalaaaa...
lalalala I fuck Piraeus, I fuck Piraeus, I fuck Piraeus!\
Lalalala lalalala PAOKARA! Lalalala lalalala great team! Lalalala lalalala PAOKARA! PAOKARA I love you!
:100:
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from the city i come and at the peak cinnamon.
ok we fucked it and it died the topic.
anyway dear water-lillies on thursday we will riddle your tonsils ! ! ! ! :P
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ok we fucked it and it died the topic.
aaaaaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxxaxaxaxa
κορυφή!!!
έγραψες...!!!
:extralaugh: :extralaugh: :extralaugh:
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Speak only in English please
aaaaaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxxaxaxaxa
κορυφή!!!
έγραψες...!!!
aaaaahahahahahahahahhahahaha
top!!!
you wrote...!!!
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We did fuck up the topic but that's PAOK funs to you dear Heernveen funs.
PAOK - Heernveen 4-0
Herenveen - PAOK 2-3
See you next year...
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Sollied's Flower Sissies
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We cant be played by anothers you cunts.δν παιζομαστε ρε μαλακεσ.τι μαλακια ξεκινησα παλι ο αθεοφοβοσ.what bullshit i started the i am not afraid of god.PAOK gama PAOK gama tin mikri tin ollandeja tin poutana.παγκοσμια γλωσσα.Σκιστε το ο ο υ υ υ υσ.melt them!PAOK ARE CRAZY re mounia gamw ti douleia mou!we will smash you re herenven.we will rock you i teld you-σε λεω
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Hello,
I'm from SC Heerenveen. I think we will beat you :D
With this side to sleep…
Çeerenveen will lose and will tell and a song!
:D
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Hello,
I'm from SC Heerenveen. I think we will beat you :D
:D
Πως μπορούμε να πούμε στα αγγλικά θα μας κλάσετε τα αρχίδια???
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you will fart our balls ;D
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Hello,
I'm from SC Heerenveen. I think we will beat you :D
tall guy, i m telling you,the truth i speak to you.. you dont have to the sun fortune!
(ψηλέ, σε μιλάω, την αλήθεια σε λέω.. δεν έχεται στον ήλιο μοίρα) :) :)
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Αγγλομαθες το φορουμ λεμεεεεεεεεε
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We are amazing! No one can surpass PAOK funs in their foreign language skills...
"Ηeerenveen will lose and will tell and a song!"
"You don't have to the sun fortune!"
:lol:
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Hi dear fans of little hearts on the shirt.
Some of PAOK fans mottos/songs etc.:
(if your younger than 18 please do not read, not allowed in this forum)
PAOK and the brains at the fence.
PAOK and dry hard bread.
PAOK, the more you hurt me the more I love you
PAOK, for you I give my soul, I dont give a fuck for St Valentine
PAOK and I dont give a shit if I dont fuck ever again
PAOK ahead and dont bite noone's introduction, cause every aris fan is a whore's son.
PAOK when I go to the crazy doctor, to tell him how much I love you, I ll make him crazy as well....
For thousand years, we packed the trains for Athens, with PAOK fans mental institutions, and Athenias in hospitals, great PAOK your power it's us your thousand fans, Toumba will be a hot pot again, fuck Syntagma and Pasalimani....
Vodoo vodoo vodoo vodoo and a black needle, on our dicks are sitting 10000 gay-ros fans....
Are you well? Nooooooo
Are you well? Nooooooo
Lalalala we are not well, in our brains....
You are a substance, a magic substance, you are a weed unique on earth, wherever you play I follow, doubleheaded eagle I live only for you....
Every gay-ros fan is a whore's son, born in Peraias the fucking gay...
The nights he was sleeping, his mom was fucking, in Troumbas little alleys, and I fuck Peiraias....
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I don't wrestle her...
:lol: :lol: :ambulance:
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We are flying kite in here! ;D
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bollock hairs (κάκαλι μαλλία-αρχιδοτριχες)
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For thousand years, we packed the trains for Athens, with PAOK fans mental institutions, and Athenias in hospitals, great PAOK your power it's us your thousand fans, Toumba will be a hot pot again, fuck Syntagma and Pasalimani....
oh, my dear apostolos, what an excellent translation!! ;D ;D ;D
the english version of "edw k toses xiliades xronia", it's killing me :proskino:
i can't wait to sing it (the english version) at the final of europa cup
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@apostolos, you took our viscera Big, you don' t exist,unplayable!
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YEAH WE WON
We told you
And who the fuck is Muslimovic? Some of you told you we would remember him, but who the fuck is it?
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Probably its the guy that s fuckin your momma all year long, u miserable piece of shit, nazi lover, son of a whore, fucking Dutch idiot.
Yeah, your momma's hole is craving my big black and white throbbin cock, hasn't your dad told you?You fuckin nowhere fan, fuck off.......
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Ane Lenstra please fill your location in your profile,otherwise you'll be deleted.
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YEAH WE WON
We told you
And who the fuck is Muslimovic? Some of you told you we would remember him, but who the fuck is it?
Hollandse hoer, wees blij met jouw klote ploeg en jouw belachelijke supporters... Wie weet, ooit komen we elkaar nog 'ns tegen!
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Αne Lenstra,fuck off u fucking slag......Your momma's dick smells cum out of your altered asshole. Fuck off and go spank the monkey somewhere else
I TOLD YOU TO PISS OFF, what exactly don't you get?Seriously now, fuck off, once locked up inside your home because of the Nazis, twice because of us, FUCK OFF
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Χαχαχα Θεός! :D
:prosk: :prosk:
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Mαλακα Club μου εφτιαξες το βραδυ ρε φιλε...χαχαχαχα
Τωρα τα ειδα αυτα και εχω κλασει στα γελια...Respect απο μενα! :prosk: