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ALEX · « **on:** December 30, 2003, 21:15:56 »

Quote from: gate4 on December 30, 2003, 11:20:08

deite ti gineitai fetos. se OLOKLIRO to 2o guro o osfp tha paiksei ektos athinwn mono 2 paixnidia!!! einai dunaton na xasei to 8o?
opote pithanon einai na exoume mparaz metaksu ari kai kalamarias i kassandras. makari na ginei sto bolo gia na ksanagrapsei i G4 nees selides doksas me kainourio pano!

den xero an auti einai prosopiki su apopsi i tis G4 ala gia mena re file auto to pano pu esi? apokalis os endoxi istoria tis G4 kai tu lau tu PAOK genikotera ego to apokalo os tin pio ilithia kinisi os tin pio mauri selida stin istoria tis G4 kai tu lau mas genikotera kai me tus PAOKtsides pu exo sizitisi mexri stigmis (prosopo me prosopo enoo) simerizontai tin idia apopsi.
opote emena mi me simperilavete se autin tin nea doxastiki mera sas giati an kai den tha paizi me gayro o skolikas kai me kapia alli omada to mono pu tha kataferis einai na tus dosis axia kai trofi gia nea sxolia kai ekinisi kainurgias propagandas.

kostas4 · « **Reply #1 on:** December 30, 2003, 21:31:47 »

Ayto to pano kai ego den to eida pote me kalo mati.emeis den eimaste me kanenan.eimaste mono me ton PAOK.o gayros einai o xeiroteros mas exthros.tora pos i g4 egrapse "selides doksas" me ekeino to pano den mporo na katalavo.tha symfoniso me ton alex oti einai mia apo tis xeiroteres stigmes tis g4

MAKPTOL · « **Reply #2 on:** December 31, 2003, 09:12:41 »

re paidia ekeino to panw HTAN EIRWNIKO.....
mhn peftete sthn pagida ....plakitsa kanane ta paidia
TI EGRAFE TO PANW?
EYXOMASTE EIS TO ENDOXO SWMATEIO OSFP....KLP
xestoys toys areianoys DEN MAS ENDIAFEROYN giati
eidika oi organomenoi toys einai anurvpoi me apisteyto
komplex .....pisteyoyn oti einai exypnoteroi apo
emas poy den xeroyme na milame aytoi xeirizontai ta
ellhnika poly kala kai tetoies malakies......
giayto ftasane to super3 na to bazoyne panw apo to aris...

chris · « **Reply #3 on:** December 31, 2003, 10:32:41 »

Quote from: gate4 on December 30, 2003, 11:20:08

an anebei i kalamaria i i kassandra prepei na pesei mia omada apo ti thessaloniki. me to skeptiko oti i kerkura tha anebei stin a' ethniki kai o akratitos kai i proo tha pesoun sigoura, o kokkalis den prokeitai na meiwsei perissoteroton arithmo twn omadwn tin athinas stin a' ethniki.
deite ti gineitai fetos. se OLOKLIRO to 2o guro o osfp tha paiksei ektos athinwn mono 2 paixnidia!!! einai dunaton na xasei to 8o?
opote pithanon einai na exoume mparaz metaksu ari kai kalamarias i kassandras. makari na ginei sto bolo gia na ksanagrapsei i G4 nees selides doksas me kainourio pano!

gate4 · « **Reply #4 on:** December 31, 2003, 10:49:18 »

esy pou xairesai gia to pano ston volo

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den me andiaferei i apopsi sou sto sugkekrimeno thema. ti sebomai apoluta, alla den me endiaferei. uparxoun polloi Paoktsides pou diafwnoun kai proswpika kserw pollous sumfwnoun alla kai pollous pou diafwnoun.
opws kserw kai pollous pou ti thewroume apo tis megaluteres kiniseis stis istoria tis G4.
kai einai thema "eswterikis kausews", einai mia upothesi pou an thes afora ti G4 kai oxi to sunolo tou kosmou tou PAOK.
einai apoluta katanoito kai sebasto na uparxei kosmos pou na diafwnei. dikaiwma tou.
an kai istorika gia mena to pano einai simera 110% dikaiwmeno. kai einai kai apo tis megaluteres kiniseis stin istoria tis G4.
alla perissotera tha poume to ethnoswtirio kai olumpiako etos 2004.
kali xronia se olous!!!

chris · « **Reply #5 on:** December 31, 2003, 10:58:33 »

ena TOPIC pou 8a eprepe edw kai kairo na anoixtei MONO tu kai ANEKSARTHTO ..(ante skoulikia 2 OLOKLHRA TOPIC EXETE P-L-E-ON sto forum mas..AFTO PLEON kai to "den bgike tixaia to onoma....SKOULIKIA. www.aris-3.tk "+ to klasiko TOPIC pou anoigoume ka8e fora pou exoume agwna mazi sas:2 TOPIC to xrono dhladh gia to podosfairo.. :lol:alla ontws epeidh 8YMH8HKAN TO PANO 20!XRONIA META KAI TO EKANAN SHMAIA/PATSABOURA STHN BRWMIKH PROPAGANDA TUS kalo einai na to analysoume ligo akoma,giati opoion skwlika rwthseis gia to PANO sto MPARAZ 8a su pei.e nysafi pia.

gate4 · « **Reply #6 on:** January 02, 2004, 13:47:31 »

as poume loipon kai duo koubentes gia to pano sto bolo.
to opoio akoma kai simera toso autoi pou kanane tin kinisi ekeini oso kai polloi apo emas to theroume polu megali kinisi.
mia apo tis megaluteres.

exw diabasei diafores ekdoxes gia tin istoria, alles pio konta stin pragmatikotita alla kai alles polu makria apo autin.
mexri loipon na apofasisei o Makis na arxisei na grafei sto forum tou paokworld, elpizw auto to post na einai kai apo ta pio kontina stin pragmatikotita mias kai tha metaferw (oso pio pista mporw) ta logia tou. allwste autos itan o kinitirios moxlos tis upothesis kai o sugxwremenos itan to ektelestiko organo pou egrapse to pano.

tin wra pou o aris etoimazetai gia to mparaz pou tou dinei ti dunatotita gia na kataktisei to monadiko prwtathlima a' ethnikis, o iraklis etoimazetai gia ton teliko kupellou enantion tis kastorias. tin idia xronia loipon pou o PAOK menei ektos titlwn, o aris diekdikei prwtathlima kai o ira kupello.
to skeptiko tou Maki itan polu aplo.
emeis exoume 2 kupella (72, 74) kai ena prwtathlima (76).
o iraklis eixe idi ena kupello (76) kai o aris allo ena (70).
an kerdisei o iraklis tin kastoria mas isofarizei o iraklis sta kupella, an kerdizei o aris mas isofarizei sta prwtathlimata!
to dilimma tou Maki einai:
"eprepe na apofasisw pou tha katebasw ton kosmo, sto bolo i stin athina?"
kai apofasizei na katebasei ena leofwreio sto bolo.
sigoura upirkan kai kapioi Paoktsides pou logw allwn epoxwn kai nootropias, taksidepsan sto bolo gia na upostiriksoun to ari kai kata tou osfp. dikaiwma tous. to poulma tin G4 omws den taksidepse oute gia na upostiriksei ton ari oute ton osfp. ithele apla na min parei o aris prwtathlima.
antilambanomai oti to paron sxima olgou einai oksumwro. alla einai i pragmatikotita. allwste einai gnwsto oti den eimaste kala sta muala mas.

na upenthumisw oti den anaferomaste se epoxes pou i monokratoria tou PAOK einai dedomeni sti thessaloniki, pragma pou arxise na pairnei sarka kai osta meta to prwtathlima tou 1985. anaferomaste se epoxes pou iraklis alla kai aris exoun arketa simantika pososta mesa stin poli kai i mpogia tous metraei akoma. oxi opws simera.

sunexeia...

gate4 · « **Reply #7 on:** January 02, 2004, 14:19:12 »

osoi nomizoun oti kai prin apo 30-40-50 xronia ta pragmata itan sti thessaloniki opws kai simera, mallon den etuxe na pliroforothoun apo tous palioterous tin istoria. o PAOK ksekinise san ftwxos suggenis sti thessaloniki , san ftwxoi suggeneis kai prosfuges antimetwpistikan oi anthrwpoi tou kai tin antimetwpisi ftwxou suggeni frontizan na tou epifulassoun kathe fora oi mprouklides iraklideis kai areianoi.

episis to 1980 itan polu konta sta xronia tin xountas, stin opoia elew kampani, o aris elune kai edene (para ti sugginitiki propaganda twn areianwn na parousiasoun tou PAOK ws omada eunooumeni tis xountas). opws episis polu konta sto 80 itan kai i 9etia pou den eixame niki sto prwtathlima (mesa-eksw) epi tou ari. kai se ekeini tin 9etia exei tis rizes tis to "10 xronia gkomenes" pou forethike argotera kai stin kalathosfaira.

suggnwmi pou to trabaw polu stin istoriki anadromi, alla einai kathoristikis simasias gia na katanoisei kapoios tis idaiteres sunthikes kai tous paragontes katw apo tous opoious egine i sugkekrimeni kinisi.

alla as epanelthoume sto pano. to pano den leei "osfp pare to prwtathlima". anaferetai sto "entimotato" swmateio tou osfp. milame gia kathari EIRWNIA. poso mallon otan o PAOK exei biwsei to ntabatziliki tou Goulandri ta proigoumena xronia. opws episis to pano den einai anwnumo. exei tin upografi tou sundesmou. opote, oute kapoios mporei na fortwsei sto lao tou PAOK sunolika, kai opoios exei problima kserei apo pou na zitisei to logo.

giati to pano einai dikaiwmeno 110%:
giati opws anaglufa kai leptomerestata grafoun oi stef & homopaokus, o aris ksepoulise ti monadiki tou eukairia gia ena prwtathlima stin a' ethniki. to paixnidi sto prwto imixrono itan enas monologos tou ari me 2 dokaria kai xamenes eukairies kai ws ek thaumatos o aris sto deutero xanei me 2-0 kai katebasmena ta pantelonia (ta opoia kai den ksanasikwse ektote).
kai giati o osfp meteilthe tis pagias taktikis, den mporouse agwnistika, agorase to prwthlima me to xrima.
kai akoma giati opws leei o Makis "pigane kai oi kwlogries kai kseutelistikan apo tin kastoria).
kai o aris kapaki ksepoulaei kai tin omada pou eixe ftiaksei kai san purotexnima ftiaxnei ti thura 2 to 82 (i to 83) gia na xruswsei to xapi. tin wra pou oloi tous krazane gia to strimeno prwtathlima sto mparaz tou bolou.

sunexeia...

gate4 · « **Reply #8 on:** January 02, 2004, 15:12:09 »

sebomai kai sebomaste san sf, apoluta to dikaiwma tou kathenos na diafwnei me ti sugkekrimeni kinisi. kai idiws otan diafwnei me epixeirimata. einai apoluta sebastos.
alla oxi kai na aisthanetai ntropiasmenos...gia pio logo?
pou o aris antallakse to monadiko rantebou tis zwis tou me tin istoria, me mia balitsa xiliarika?
pou o osfp egrapse alli mia fora istoria, xari se mia balitsa xiliarika?

diafwnia NAI. ntropi omws, POTE kai me TIPOTA.

mporei gia kapoious neoterous o osfp na einai o megaluteros exthros kai o diabolos metamorfwmenos, gia tous palioterous omws, akoma kai gia pollous tis dikias mou genias den einai.
kai mporei gia kapoious o aris simera na einai anuparktos (opws kai gia mena) alla auto gia na epiteuxthei, xreiastikan agwnes kai polla xronia.

elpizw na diafwtisa kapoia "maura" kommatia tis istorias ;-).
kali xronia se olous mas!

ps: kai se oti afora ti ntropi as me epitrepsoun kapoioi na mtrepomai proswpika polu perissotero, gia tin anaparagwgi twn xazosunthimatwn kata tou osfp se kathe paixnidi (otan malista o osfp exei kai 6 dipla mesa stin Toumpa ta teleutaia xronia) kai gia ta xazosunthimata gia ebraious kai albanous pou upobibazoun top lao mas sto epipedo allwn lawn pou kanonika tha eprepe na mas blepoun se opadiko epipedo me to kuali.

Passenger-4 · « **Reply #9 on:** January 02, 2004, 21:17:00 »

Egw pantws den exw katalavei kati..pws oi gavroi den antedrasan pou sikwsame eirwniko ( kai gi autous )pano mesa stin kerkida tous???

ALEX · « **Reply #10 on:** January 02, 2004, 22:01:02 »

ego eimai tis neoteris genias den ta ezisa ta gegonota apla kai mono gnorizo enan apo tus dimiurgus tu pano (as to grapso etsi) kai den ton vlepo na einai kai poli perifanos gi autin tin praxi as to afisume omos auto.
epidi san PAOKtsis exo mathi na kitazo psilotera gia na tus ftaso kai afu exo kani tin autokritiki mu prota den thelo se kamia periptosi na kitazo xamila vlepe aruli.
to an tha pesi an tha sothi o arulis me afini pagera adiaforo to an tha parume kapion apo tus pextes tus edo simfono me tin thesi tis G4 na min parume kanenan ektos afton pu tha minun eleutheroi kai xoris na exume emis kinisi diadikasies gia na tus othisume se prosfigi.
tora ego PAOK eimai oute G4 oute MAKEDONES oute tpt fonazo gia ton PAOK gia kanenan allo den tasome se kanenos to meros gia na isxiropioiso emfilius polemus den sikono pano iper tu pio vromiku somatiu kai meta apo xronia to vaftizo ironiko kai alloste pu einai ta aposiopioitika stin lexi ENTIMOTATON gia natonisune tin eironia ta vlepi kanis i mipos exo kataraxti?
opos eipes file gate4 ta skulikia san skulikia ekanan auto pu gnorizun kalitera ta tseposan dialithikan monoi tus ksepulithikan monoi tus mipos pisteui kanis oti to pano auto voithise sto xepulima ton skulikion?den nomizo to mono pu voithise itan na xekinisun nea propaganda kai na ksexasun ithelimena vevea to stisimo tus ego se auto pisteuo oti voithise kai se tpt allo.
kai kati teleuteo ama den stamatisi autos o skotomos peri organosis tis kerkidas apo enan sindesmo ama stamatisun na peftun ta mpuketa metaxi PAOKtsidon gia simferonta??? ta opia den antilamvanome sigxoreste me gi auto, min perimenete ton oipoloipo kosmo na fonazi ftiaxte prota sosta themelia kai meta sikoste orofus eno tora zitate na sikosete orofus kai ton kosmo na sas voithisi se auto xoris kan themelia sigxoreste me kai gi auto alla lipame den ntrepome lipame.

gate4 · « **Reply #11 on:** January 03, 2004, 14:03:42 »

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ego eimai tis neoteris genias den ta ezisa ta gegonota apla kai mono gnorizo enan apo tus dimiurgus tu pano (as to grapso etsi) kai den ton vlepo na einai kai poli perifanos gi autin tin praxi as to afisume omos auto.
epidi san PAOKtshs exo mathi na kitazo psilotera gia na tus ftaso kai afu exo kani tin autokritiki mu prota den thelo se kamia periptosi na kitazo xamila vlepe aruli.
to an tha pesi an tha sothi o arulis me afini pagera adiaforo to an tha parume kapion apo tus pextes tus edo simfono me tin thesi tis G4 na min parume kanenan ektos afton pu tha minun eleutheroi kai xoris na exume emis kinisi diadikasies gia na tus othisume se prosfigi.

ws edw ola kala. diafwneis me to pano kai einai dikaiwma sou, den egrapsa auta pou egrapsa gia na peisw kapoion. o kathenas exei dikaiwma na pisteuei auto pou thelei na pisteuei. kai kala kanei.

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tora ego PAOK eimai oute G4 oute MAKEDONES oute tpt fonazo gia ton PAOK gia kanenan allo den tasome se kanenos to meros gia na isxiropioiso emfilius polemus

mporeis na peis ti sxesi exoun oi makedones me tin upothesi? apolutws kamia. kai se parakalw polu na min mperdeueis ti g4 me tous makedones, oute tous makedones me ti g4.

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den sikono pano iper tu pio vromiku somatiu kai meta apo xronia to vaftizo ironiko kai alloste pu einai ta aposiopioitika stin lexi ENTIMOTATON gia natonisune tin eironia ta vlepi kanis i mipos exo kataraxti?

1. to pano den einai uper tou osfp
2. o osfp den einai to pio vrwmiko swmateio. o pao einai eksisou brwmiko kai i aek kserei na paizei to rolo tis poutanas kalutera apo ton kathena. gia tous neoterous mporei o osfp na einai o diaolos metamorfwmenos gia para pollous pou eimaste apo 28 kai panw o osfp den einai i arxi kai to telos tou kakou.
3. an esu xreiazesai aposiwpitika i eisagwgika gia na katalabeis ton eirwniko xaraktira tou "entimotatou", egw proswpika den xreiazomai. sto "ellines eiste kai faineste" den uparxoun oute eisagwgika oute aposiwpitika. mipws ki ekei den katalabaineis tin eirwnia?
kai gi' auto to pano uparxoun polles diafwnies. sebastes. alla mexri ekei.

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opos eipes file gate4 ta skulikia san skulikia ekanan auto pu gnorizun kalitera ta tseposan dialithikan monoi tus ksepulithikan monoi tus mipos pisteui kanis oti to pano auto voithise sto xepulima ton skulikion?den nomizo to mono pu voithise itan na xekinisun nea propaganda kai na ksexasun ithelimena vevea to stisimo tus ego se auto pisteuo oti voithise kai se tpt allo.[\quote]

nai, egw kai kapioi akoma, pisteuoume oti to pano tous kseutelise akoma perissotero. kai den eimaste file upoxrewmenoi na sumfwnoume se ola. proswpika xairomai otan uparxoun diafwnies, to antitheto thame problimatize kiolas. kai ekana ton istoriko prologo kai gia allo ena logo.
giati i antilipsi tou kathenos apo ta pragmata upagoreuetai kai apo tis sunthikes pou megalwnei kai apo ta pragmata pou zei.
profanws den exeis zisei px ta PAOK-aris tou 80. opote den mporeis na me katalabeis, toulaxiston apoluta. ki egw auto to katalabainw. alla prepei na to katalabeis ki esu alla kai oloi oi neoteroi.
se oti afora tin propaganda. oi areianoi kai na min upirxe to pano tha briskane kapoio allo thema na propagandisoune, opws kanoume me sunepeia edw kai dekaeties. ta exoume zisei kai ta zoume kathimerina. apo sena zoune kai epibebaiwnoun tin anuparksia tous.

gia to thema tis kerkidas pou thigeis, steile ena post sto sxetiko topic. exei dikio o chris pou mas krazei. kathe thema ston topo tou. steile ekei kai se apantaw amesa.

gate4 · « **Reply #12 on:** January 03, 2004, 14:24:22 »

kai kati teleutaio. gia na min mperdeuomaste. to thema tou topic einai to pano tis G4 sto bolo.
to thema kai kala, apotelei korwnida stin propaganda twn areianwn kata tou PAOK gia na dilwsoun tin anuparkti sxesi PAOK kai osfp kai kala to oti eimaste oi roufianoi tou borra...as gelasw.
o monos pou mporei na dwsei mia 100% original apantisi sto thema einai o Makis-diki tou idea einai, autos tin ulopoiise.
epeidi to pano exei upografi-G4-to thema aforouse, afora kai tha afora to sf. autous pou itan tote, autous pou einai simera kai tous pitsirikades pou se 2-3 xronia tha koumantaroun to sf.
apla eimai upoxrewmenos na se metaferw se 2-3 grammes poia einai i apopsi mas gia to sugkekrimeno thema. kai nomizw pws diakaiologw arketa kala, gia poious logous to pano den einai etsi opws to parousiazoun.
parola auta, exeis esu opws kai oloi osoi diafwnoun, to dikaiwma na diafwnoun. kai kala kanoun. alla den mporei na diafwnoun exontas ena lathos skeptiko sto mualo tous.
oti diladi, i G4 apo to komplex tis gia ton ari sikwse ena pano uper tou osfp sto bolo. den einai alitheia.
sto ksanalew, an to pano egrafe "osfp pare to prwtathlima", an itan anupografo, tote ontws tha upirxe problima. alla eksigisa analutika giati den einai etsi ta pragmata.
etsi loipon, an se ksanaferei ena areianos se "duskoli thesi" mporeis na apokrouseis tin propaganda tou. kai mporeis na tin apokrouseis akoma kalutera diabazwntas ola ta eksoxws diafwtistika exoun katagrapsei oi stef kai homopaokus, sti fwlia tou skwlika. giati auti einai i alitheia, tin opoia prospathoun na diastreblwsoun.
kai ksanaginomai gia alli mia fora kourastikos ksanagrafontas to eksis: oi antidraseis kai oi sumperifores, upagoreuontai apo tis ekastote sunthikes kai katastaseis. opws esu den mporeis na katalabeis kati pou ekane i G4 to 1980, polu pithanon kai enas 20 xronos na min mporei na katanoisei apoluta auta pou kaneis esu simera meta apo 20 xronia.
alla panta uparxei mia istoriki alitheia. kai i alitheia auti gia to pano sto bolo, einai auti pou se perigrafw se meses akres sto sugkekrimeno topic.
kai nomizw pws eite kapoios sumfwnei, eite diafwnei, antilambanetai plirws oti i istoria tou pano den exei kamia sxesi me osa parousiazoun kapioi (areianoi) gia propaganda kai me osa nomizoun kapioi alloi (Paoktsides) stin prospatheia tous na diakologisoun kati pou gia autous einai adikaiologito.

kostas4 · « **Reply #13 on:** January 03, 2004, 14:44:35 »

Kai epanalanvano to erotima tou ALEX sto opoio den apantises.efoson itan eironiko to pano oi gayroi pos to afisan stin kerkida tous?pos afisan 1 poulman ÐÁÏÊôóÜêéá mesa stin kerkida tous anamesa tous kai protoklassatous?

Eite itan auto to pano eite oxi i istoria tha egrafe oti o gayros pire to protathlima kai oxi o aris.ti se kanei na pisteueis oti ena pano tha krinei ena protathlima?

gate4 · « **Reply #14 on:** January 03, 2004, 15:03:16 »

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Egw pantws den exw katalavei kati..pws oi gavroi den antedrasan pou sikwsame eirwniko ( kai gi autous )pano mesa stin kerkida tous???

den kserw file passenger giati den antedrasan. to 80 imoun 6 xronwn ;-).
to sigouro einai oti ta pragmata stis kerkides ekeines tis epoxes den exoun kamia sxesi me ti simerini. diladi den upirxan mat kai mea, nekres zwnes ktl. edw thumamai paixnidia mesa sto pale pou eimaste anakatemenoi me tous areianous.
opote se ena mparaz, se ena oudetero gipedo sigoura tha upirxe anakatemenos kosmos.
gia to pano pisteuw oti mpike me anesi giati se mia prwti anagnwsi-mesa stin entasi pou uparxei se ena paixnidi pou krinei ena prwtathlima kai me basi tis sunthikes tis epoxis-den ginotan katanoito oti itan eirwniko tautoxrona kai kata tou osfp kai kata tou ari.
pantws to thema pou thigeis einai kata tin apospi mou deutereuousas simasias se sxesi me ti dilwsi kai tin istoria tou pano.
alla pros diafwtisi mas, tha frontisw otan tha ksanaperasw apo ilioupoli na kanw ti sxetiki erwtisi stous paterades tou pano.
pantws sto ksanalew, einai anistorito na thewroun akoma kai PAOKtsides, oti oi anthrwpoi pou dwsane ti zwi tous gia na xtisoun tin 23xroni paradosi tou PAOK se baros tou osfp, ksexasane tin istoria tous gia ena apogeuma apo komplex gia ton ari.

Tom_Araya · « **Reply #15 on:** January 03, 2004, 16:59:48 »

To epimaxo pano....

paidia na mhn to xoume 2 fores..(thn fwtografia tu pano)..pianei poly xwro sto forum..to forum "trwei" xwro tu site..ktl ktl

chris

ALEX · « **Reply #16 on:** January 03, 2004, 21:02:17 »

re paidia tis ektelestikis as me voithisi kapios to exo kani 3-4 fores modify kai den mporo na to seniaro parakalo poli gia tin voithia sas.

chris · « **Reply #17 on:** January 03, 2004, 23:28:26 »

Quote from: ALEX on January 03, 2004, 21:02:17

re paidia tis ektelestikis as me voithisi kapios to exo kani 3-4 fores modify kai den mporo na to seniaro parakalo poli gia tin voithia sas.

phgaine sthn ENOTHTA>ANAKOINWSEIS..e-k-e-i yparxei ANALYTHKOTATH boh8eia sxedon gia ka8e KOUMPI tu forum ka8ws kai h leitourgia tu..sthn telikh..kane QUOTE to post pou 8eleis.."rixto" copy se ena NOTEPAD..kai ekei "spasto" se tosa QUOTES 8eleis na sxoliaseis TMHMATIKA kai afto einai olo..kai meta parto kai rixto paste se post pou 8a kaneis reply..kane k ena PREVIEW(proeskophsh)..kai analoga dior8wne..mexri na pathseis POST..

ALEX · « **Reply #18 on:** January 04, 2004, 14:42:11 »

ok tha to dokimaso xana

ALEX · « **Reply #19 on:** January 04, 2004, 15:31:35 »

Quote from: gate4 on January 03, 2004, 14:03:42

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ego eimai tis neoteris genias den ta ezisa ta gegonota apla kai mono gnorizo enan apo tus dimiurgus tu pano (as to grapso etsi) kai den ton vlepo na einai kai poli perifanos gi autin tin praxi as to afisume omos auto.
epidi san PAOKtshs exo mathi na kitazo psilotera gia na tus ftaso kai afu exo kani tin autokritiki mu prota den thelo se kamia periptosi na kitazo xamila vlepe aruli.
to an tha pesi an tha sothi o arulis me afini pagera adiaforo to an tha parume kapion apo tus pextes tus edo simfono me tin thesi tis G4 na min parume kanenan ektos afton pu tha minun eleutheroi kai xoris na exume emis kinisi diadikasies gia na tus othisume se prosfigi.

ws edw ola kala. diafwneis me to pano kai einai dikaiwma sou, den egrapsa auta pou egrapsa gia na peisw kapoion. o kathenas exei dikaiwma na pisteuei auto pou thelei na pisteuei. kai kala kanei.

edo kanenas den pithi kanenan opote einai askopo na to sizitame parapera

Quote from: gate4 on January 03, 2004, 14:03:42

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tora ego PAOK eimai oute G4 oute MAKEDONES oute tpt fonazo gia ton PAOK gia kanenan allo den tasome se kanenos to meros gia na isxiropioiso emfilius polemus
mporeis na peis ti sxesi exoun oi makedones me tin upothesi? apolutws kamia. kai se parakalw polu na min mperdeueis ti g4 me tous makedones, oute tous makedones me ti g4.

koita edo ekana lathos kai ta psilomperdepsa ola mazi as to eksigiso kapu se ena post su egrapses gia ta sinthimata tin omopsixia kai se leo ego oti an den ta vrite metaxi sas oloi an stamatisun oi fapes pu peftun metaxi proedron melon stin 4a gia tin organosi tis kerkidas i otidipote allo provlima iparxi tote min perimenete ton kosmo na sas akoluthisi sta sinthimata giati tha kani tu kefaliu tu einai dedomeno ftiakste prota pirina kai meta ta oipoloipa erxonte

Quote from: gate4 on January 03, 2004, 14:03:42

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den sikono pano iper tu pio vromiku somatiu kai meta apo xronia to vaftizo ironiko kai alloste pu einai ta aposiopioitika stin lexi ENTIMOTATON gia natonisune tin eironia ta vlepi kanis i mipos exo kataraxti?
1. to pano den einai uper tou osfp
2. o osfp den einai to pio vrwmiko swmateio. o pao einai eksisou brwmiko kai i aek kserei na paizei to rolo tis poutanas kalutera apo ton kathena. gia tous neoterous mporei o osfp na einai o diaolos metamorfwmenos gia para pollous pou eimaste apo 28 kai panw o osfp den einai i arxi kai to telos tou kakou.
3. an esu xreiazesai aposiwpitika i eisagwgika gia na katalabeis ton eirwniko xaraktira tou "entimotatou", egw proswpika den xreiazomai. sto "ellines eiste kai faineste" den uparxoun oute eisagwgika oute aposiwpitika. mipws ki ekei den katalabaineis tin eirwnia?
kai gi' auto to pano uparxoun polles diafwnies. sebastes. alla mexri ekei.

1-opos eipa kai parapano diafonume to vlepume diaforetika
2-gia mena o osfp einai to pio vromiko akoluthi o vazelos kai gia tin aek simfonume apolita
3-edo file kanis ena lathos vazis se sigrisi ena pano pu tasete eironika kata olon kai genika kai den xreiazete idieteri tonisi se kapia lexi oi 4 lexis arkun se sxesi me to pano omos to opio ipsonete stin kerkida tu gayru gia ena sigekrimeno agona metaxi 2 antipalon mas den einai geniko einai sigekrimeno kai vasi opadikon aisthimaton eprepe na tonisti gia na min iparxun parafrasis deksia kai aristera

Quote from: gate4 on January 03, 2004, 14:03:42

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opos eipes file gate4 ta skulikia san skulikia ekanan auto pu gnorizun kalitera ta tseposan dialithikan monoi tus ksepulithikan monoi tus mipos pisteui kanis oti to pano auto voithise sto xepulima ton skulikion?den nomizo to mono pu voithise itan na xekinisun nea propaganda kai na ksexasun ithelimena vevea to stisimo tus ego se auto pisteuo oti voithise kai se tpt allo.[\quote]

nai, egw kai kapioi akoma, pisteuoume oti to pano tous kseutelise akoma perissotero. kai den eimaste file upoxrewmenoi na sumfwnoume se ola. proswpika xairomai otan uparxoun diafwnies, to antitheto thame problimatize kiolas. kai ekana ton istoriko prologo kai gia allo ena logo.
giati i antilipsi tou kathenos apo ta pragmata upagoreuetai kai apo tis sunthikes pou megalwnei kai apo ta pragmata pou zei.
profanws den exeis zisei px ta PAOK-aris tou 80. opote den mporeis na me katalabeis, toulaxiston apoluta. ki egw auto to katalabainw. alla prepei na to katalabeis ki esu alla kai oloi oi neoteroi.
se oti afora tin propaganda. oi areianoi kai na min upirxe to pano tha briskane kapoio allo thema na propagandisoune, opws kanoume me sunepeia edw kai dekaeties. ta exoume zisei kai ta zoume kathimerina. apo sena zoune kai epibebaiwnoun tin anuparksia tous.

gia to thema tis kerkidas pou thigeis, steile ena post sto sxetiko topic. exei dikio o chris pou mas krazei. kathe thema ston topo tou. steile ekei kai se apantaw amesa.

kita sigura den exo zisi ta ntermpi tu 80 alla apo ta legomena su kai esi den ta ezises opos eipes eisun 6 xronon opote den nomizo enas 6xronos na katalaveni kai pola.
oi arianoi sigura tha vriskane kati na propagandisune to erotima mu einai giati to patima na tus to dosume emis?
tora gia to logo pu zune ta skulikia einai gnosto mas kerdizun kai pane sta mpuzukia ti na leme parapano den axizi.

ps.epidi kapu diavasa oti apo ta legomena evgales porisma oti theoro tin kinisi tu pano komplex tis G4 pros ton skolika thelo na to dieukriniso OTI DEN TO THEORO KOMPLEX APLA MIA LATHOS KINISI GIATI OLOI MAS KANUME LATHI OPOIOI KAI AN EIMASTE KANIS DEN EINAI ALANTHASTOS APLA KALO THA EINAI NA MATHENUME APO TA LATHI MAS KAI NA MIN TA EPANALAMVANUME.
EPANALAMVANO DEN TO THEORO KOMPLEX APLA MIA LATHOS KINISI.

ps2.kai o @Chris ontos exi dikeo opote tu ofilume mia signomi
kai na tu po oti ta katafera aisios mesa se 60 lepta

pantos tha to matho pu tha pai.