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Melb4

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O V den milaei gia Ellhnes kai Tourkous re Melb4. Milaei gia eksousia (politikous,polue8nikes) kai kosmaki pou paleuei ka8e mera na epibiwsei. Esu, egw, oi Tourkoi kai oi Ellhnes anoikoume sth deuterh kathgoria. Kanenas Tourkos de se kanei oti 8elei, giati oute mporei oute exei thn oreksh na asxoleitai me sena. Autoi pou se kanoun oti 8eloun kai se ksezoumizoun einai oi kubernontes se Ellada, Tourkia, Australia, EU, NATO, oi managers ths Shell, ths BP, twn Mcdonalds, ths Nike, twn Walmart ktl. ktl.


to egrapse me apolitos geniko tropo (dinatous kai adinatous) kai ego apantisa genika. Etsi kai allios o titlos ehei na kanei na patriotismo kai oxi me koinoniki adikia.

Den borei kaneis - an gnorizei tis istoria tou Byzantiou - me to dikefalo sto stithos na dilonei filotourkos.

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αν κ εθνικισμος(στην ρεαλιστικη του εννοια, και οχι υπερβολικη) ειναι ασχετος με τον φασισμος,
ας αναφερω για τους αληθινους/πραγματικους φασιστες.
οι φασιστες εχουν την εξουσια.. δεν εχουν το θυρωρειο της πολικατοικιας.

www.google.gr  αναζητηση τις λεξεις:
φασίστας
φασιστας

..η απαντηση για το ποιος ειναι φασιστας.

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Melb4

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Giati milate gia ton fasismo;;; O ethnikismos kai o fasismos einai entelos diaforetika pragmata. O fasismos sto Merriam-Webster theoreitai os:

a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

Diladi einai ison me autokratoria kai dialisi politikon antipalon. H kivernisi tou Stalin, an kai kommounistikh, ontos borei totes na theoritai os fasistiki afoun den upirhe kanena ihnos politikis antipalotitas.

Kai kati allo - oi  diadiloseis pou kaname stin Australia gia tin Makedonia tha tis theorousan oi tou KKE os ethnikistikes. Omos i megali pleiopsifia ton Ellinon edo psifizoume to ergatiko (aristero) komma!   To lathos pou kanete merikoi apo esas einai oti den boreite na diahorisete to oikonomiko skelos me to politiko skelos.

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Volakiotis

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Epanerxomai gia na pw oti o patriwtismos me ton ethnikismo einai diaforetika pragmata! Allo to pws xrhsimopoioume shmera thn lexh patriwths. Perissotero ennoyme afton poy exei thn idia katagwgh me emas. Alla h patrida - ws ennoia - den taftizetai me to ethnos. Giati h patrida - tha eprepe na - einai o xwros opoy oloi osoi zoume mesa se afton, exoyme isothta dikaiosynh kai allhleggyh. Xwris aftes tis treis ennoies, den milame gia patrida, milame gia mia xwra h apla gia ena kratos.
O Ellhhnas p.x. ths Afstralias,opws o melb, poy mporei na aisthanetai kai na einai perissotero ellhnas apo pollous poy zoun sthn Ellada, den mporei na einai patriwths me thn parapanw ennoia. Patrida tou mporei na einai mono h aystralia, giati ekei ua - palevei gia na - zhsei me isothta, dikaiosynh kai allhleggyh. Ekei einai o kathimerinos toy agwnas...
H ethnikh katagvgh den kanei kapoion patriwth, oute ton apokleiei apo to na einai patriwths se mia xenh xwra.
Epanalambanw oti h bia apenanti sthn exousia einai gennaia praxh, h via apenanti ston adynato einai anandria.

V.

Athinaios--4

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Symfono apolyta me ton filo Melb4. Etsi akrivos einai file ta pragmata.
Alla stin Ellada ta pragmata exoun mperdeutei me ti dexia kai oxi adika giati o topos perase polla apo tous dexious.
Peraes omos polla kai apo tous aristerous alla i epikratisi tis kentroaristeras meta tin metapoliteusi anedeixe kathe pikrameno ,mizadoro ntemek aristero se protagonisti kai se igeti tis xoras.

Athinaios--4

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Re paidia na kano mia erotisi se osous katevikan se syllalitiria gia to Livano? Me to meros tou opoiou eimai ki ego opos me to meros kathe katapiesmenou laou.

Loipon i erotisi. Exete katevei pote ta teleutaia 15 xronia se sygkentrosi yper tis Kyprou ? Giati? Den einai katoxi ,kai katapiesi auto pou symvainei ekei?

Exete katevei pote se sygkentrosi gia tin katapiesmeni elliniki koinotita stin V.Ipeiro , Skopia ,Konstantinoupoli ?

Exete katevei pote gia tin Ag. Sofia pou kanoun ektheseis me lekanes?
Exete katevei gia tin Theologiki Sxoli tis Xalkis??

O ypokritismos kai oi leontarismoi pane synefo se auti ti xora alla apo ousia tipota!!!

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Loipon i erotisi. Exete katevei pote ta teleutaia 15 xronia se sygkentrosi yper tis Kyprou ? Giati? Den einai katoxi ,kai katapiesi auto pou symvainei ekei?

Exete katevei pote se sygkentrosi gia tin katapiesmeni elliniki koinotita stin V.Ipeiro , Skopia ,Konstantinoupoli ?

Exete katevei pote gia tin Ag. Sofia pou kanoun ektheseis me lekanes?
Exete katevei gia tin Theologiki Sxoli tis Xalkis??


ekei perimenoume tous ellhnares tous xrysaugites patriwtikous symmaxous na pane! pou ekdhlwnoun px. thn antithesh tous sthn katapiesmenh ellhnikh koinothta sthn v. hpeiro me maxairwmenous alvanous otan aytoi nikhsan thn ethnikh kai panygyrizan

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Athinaios--4

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Re file sygnomi einai apantisi auto????? Se rotao eseis giati den pate>
... Oxi ti kanoun oi alloi kai to katadikazoume ennoeitai!!

Giati me tin idia logiki kai sta syllalitira gia ton polemo sto Irak kai se alla kata ton amerikanon yparxoun aristeristes k anarxikoi pou spane xenes periousies kai xtypane anthropous

An mporeis apanta stin erotisi

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Loipon i erotisi. Exete katevei pote ta teleutaia 15 xronia se sygkentrosi yper tis Kyprou ? Giati? Den einai katoxi ,kai katapiesi auto pou symvainei ekei?

Exete katevei pote se sygkentrosi gia tin katapiesmeni elliniki koinotita stin V.Ipeiro , Skopia ,Konstantinoupoli ?

Exete katevei pote gia tin Ag. Sofia pou kanoun ektheseis me lekanes?
Exete katevei gia tin Theologiki Sxoli tis Xalkis?


to thema ths kyprou exei 32 xronia kai me rwtas an exoume katevei ta teleytaia 15 xronia!!! kati synaylies allhleggyhs kai kati tetoia thymamai.thymamai!!!EPISHS TO KOMMOUNISTIKO KOMMA ELLADOS (to megalytero aristero koinovouleytiko komma ths ellados,an kai ola ta aristera sxhmata htan antitheta) HTAN ANOIXTA KATA THS PROTASHS ANNAN OXI OPWS PASOK ND POU TAXTHKAN SYMFWNA ME AYTA POU TOUS EIPAN OI HNWMENES POLITEIES!!!!

epishs opws milas gia katapiesmenh ellhnikh koinothta se skopia,polh,v hpeiro mporw na sou antiprotinw thn katapiesh twn ellhnwn mousoulmanwn ths dytikhs thrakhs!!!ekei den yparxei katapiesh??den se vlepw na antidras to idio omws!!


telos aytoi pou kanoun sthn ag sofia ektheseis me lekanes einai paromioi me aytous pou exoun katastrepsei mousoulmanika temenh sthn ellada opws px sthn krhth alla kai se alla merh!!!



Giati me tin idia logiki kai sta syllalitira gia ton polemo sto Irak kai se alla kata ton amerikanon yparxoun aristeristes k anarxikoi pou spane xenes periousies kai xtypane anthropous

An mporeis apanta stin erotisi

tw an spaseis ta mac donalds h trapezes h polyethnikes gia mena den einai xenes periousies einai XENES ETAIRIES POU SOU PINOUN TO AIMA!!!

twra to na xtypane anthrwpous sta kala kathoumena den xerw kati asfalites xerw xtypane!!

kai afou den se kalyptei h aristera stis kinhseis pou kanei pane stis poreies-ekdhlwseis pou kanoun alloi giati kanoun kai polles......
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Re paidia na kano mia erotisi se osous katevikan se syllalitiria gia to Livano? Me to meros tou opoiou eimai ki ego opos me to meros kathe katapiesmenou laou.

Loipon i erotisi. Exete katevei pote ta teleutaia 15 xronia se sygkentrosi yper tis Kyprou ? Giati? Den einai katoxi ,kai katapiesi auto pou symvainei ekei?

Exete katevei pote se sygkentrosi gia tin katapiesmeni elliniki koinotita stin V.Ipeiro , Skopia ,Konstantinoupoli ?

Exete katevei pote gia tin Ag. Sofia pou kanoun ektheseis me lekanes?
Exete katevei gia tin Theologiki Sxoli tis Xalkis??

O ypokritismos kai oi leontarismoi pane synefo se auti ti xora alla apo ousia tipota!!!

Perastika mas

Polu apla palikari mou giati oi ebraioi sfazoun ton kosmo tou Libanou TWRA. Oi poreies kai ta sullalhthria phgazoun apo tis ekselhklseis. Den sou bgainei to idio au8ormhth h diamarturia gia kati pou blepeis shmera mprosta sta matia sou, oso gia kati pou egine prin 35 xronia. Sthn telikh ama se kaiei toso to 8ema ths 8eologiks sxolhs, giati den prospa8eis na organwseis kati kai na deis an uparxei antapokrish? Oi poreies gia to Libano ginontai apo kosmo pou endiaferetai. Esu ti perimeneis dhladh, na organwsoun oi papades me ton karatzaferh sugkentrwsh gia th Boria Hpeiro gia na pas? Mazepse tous omoideates sou kai kante kati, kai pou ksereis mporei na er8oun kai tipota aristeristes, opws tous les  ;)
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Melb4

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Re paidia na kano mia erotisi se osous katevikan se syllalitiria gia to Livano? Me to meros tou opoiou eimai ki ego opos me to meros kathe katapiesmenou laou.

Loipon i erotisi. Exete katevei pote ta teleutaia 15 xronia se sygkentrosi yper tis Kyprou ? Giati? Den einai katoxi ,kai katapiesi auto pou symvainei ekei?

Exete katevei pote se sygkentrosi gia tin katapiesmeni elliniki koinotita stin V.Ipeiro , Skopia ,Konstantinoupoli ?

Exete katevei pote gia tin Ag. Sofia pou kanoun ektheseis me lekanes?
Exete katevei gia tin Theologiki Sxoli tis Xalkis??

O ypokritismos kai oi leontarismoi pane synefo se auti ti xora alla apo ousia tipota!!!

Perastika mas

Polu apla palikari mou giati oi ebraioi sfazoun ton kosmo tou Libanou TWRA. Oi poreies kai ta sullalhthria phgazoun apo tis ekselhklseis. Den sou bgainei to idio au8ormhth h diamarturia gia kati pou blepeis shmera mprosta sta matia sou, oso gia kati pou egine prin 35 xronia. Sthn telikh ama se kaiei toso to 8ema ths 8eologiks sxolhs, giati den prospa8eis na organwseis kati kai na deis an uparxei antapokrish? Oi poreies gia to Libano ginontai apo kosmo pou endiaferetai. Esu ti perimeneis dhladh, na organwsoun oi papades me ton karatzaferh sugkentrwsh gia th Boria Hpeiro gia na pas? Mazepse tous omoideates sou kai kante kati, kai pou ksereis mporei na er8oun kai tipota aristeristes, opws tous les  ;)

re skyclad4 otan ipsosan tin tourkiki simaia sta imia poso vgikan stous dromous;
Otan oi tourkoi stotosan tous solomou kai isaak posoi vgikan exo stous dromous; Auta to gegonata sighrona den einai;
Pes mou to aima ton adelfon mas axizei ligotero apo auto ton livanezon kai ton palaistinion; '
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Fusika kai oxi. Katarxhn de me noiazei an o allos einai Libanezos, Kuprios, Tourkos h Zulu. Kaneis den einai pio an8rwpos apo ton allo epeidh gennh8hke se diaforetiko meros. To dikio twn aplwn an8rwpwn pou pe8enoun san ta skulia sto dromo den exei e8nikothta. Basika kata th gnwmh mou uparxei diaforopoihsh sthn Ellada se kinhtopoihseis oso afora thn Kupro gia duo basikous logous.

1. H Kupros einai 8ema 'e8niko' sthn Ellada, kai logw ths anameikshs fasistoeidwn (xrusabghtes, arxipapades, karatzaferides, ktl. ktl.) se opoiadhpote kinhtopoihsh gia to kupriako, o kosmos ths aristeras kai tou anarxikou xwrou menei makria. Einai fusika la8os na mh summetexeis se kati to opoio 8ewreis dikaio (giati h eisbolh ths Kuprou den dikaiologeitai apo kanena, pera apo Tourkous fasistes kai politikous), alla prepei na anagnwrisoume kapoies leptes isoropies. Fantazese se poreia kata ths katoxhs ths Kyprou na einai mprosta oi anarxikoi, apo pisw h xrush augh, pio pisw to KKE kai meta oi fanatikoi xristianoi me ta buzantina labara kai tis eikones tou agiou spiridwna? Duskola ta pragmata  ;)

2. Otan oi polemikes mhxanes tou pagkosmiou imperialismou (ebraioi, amerikanoi) epith8ontai kai sfagiazoun amaxous se xwres tou tritou kosmou oi opoies briskontai se diarkh polemo edw kai 60 xronia, kai den exoun kanei tipota la8os gia na prokalesoun tis epi8eseis, katalabaneis pws prokeitai gia periptwsh pou den sugkrinetai me thn Kupro. Oxi pws to ena einai la8os kai to allo swsto. Kai stis 2 periptwseis akribws to idio pragma einai, adikaiologhth isbolh kai katoxh.
Apla des ti prokalei to laiko ais8hma perissotero. Apo th mia o koureliasmenos Palestinios o opoios biwnei mia isobia apeilh, kai apo thn allh o Kuprios me th BMW kai to ekswxiko sth Lemeso. Apo th mia o pagkosmia mishtos aksonas USA-ebraioi-NATO, kai apo thn allh h Tourkia, me thn opoia mono h Ellada kai oi Kourdoi exoun problhma. Etsi dhmiourgountai 2 diaforetikes optikes gwnies gia akribws to idio problhma.
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με την τουρκία έχουν επίσης πρόβλημα:

οι Ευρωπαίοι πολίτες που έντρομοι βρέθηκαν αντιμέτωποι με την προοπτική εξισλαμισμού των πατρίδων τους...

οι λιγότερο "διαβασμένοι" και "ενημερωμένοι" αριστεροί που δεν συνδιάζουν τα κοινωνικά κεκτημένα με την κατάργηση των εθνικών πολιτισμών...

οι Αρμένιοι που έχουν (επι)ζήσει ένα τρομακτικό ολοκαύτωμα το οποίο δεν απασχολεί ωστόσο τους διεθνιστές και αναρχοαυτόνομους γιατί απλά καταρρίπτει την θεωρία τους πως για όλα τα δεινά των πολέμων φταίνε οι πολιτικοί και οι καπιταλιστές και όχι οι λαοί...

οι Ιρανοί, οι Άραβες (λόγω Ιντσερλίκ κτλ.) για την προκλητική ανά καιρούς φιλοαμερικανική και φιλοεβραική πολιτική της άγκυρας...

Πάντως έχεις δίκαιο σχετικά με την συμμετοχή αριστεριστών σε διαδηλώσεις υπέρ των εθνικών μας θεμάτων...και για μένα μια τέτοια συμμετοχή και...συμπόρευση θα ήταν κάτι παραπάνω από εφιαλτική καθώς με κάτι...τέτοιους (σαν τον Αλαβάνο) στην παρέα θα δυσκολευόμουν να αισθανθώ σαν Έλληνας!!!

Athinaios--4

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Diladi epeidi exoun anamixtei xrysaugites ,esy i opoiodipote allos den pigainei stin poreia!!!

Kai sta syllalitiria gia tin paideia p.x mplekontai anarxikoi kai ta spane alla auto den prepei na apotharynei tous foitites otan polemoun gia to dikio.

Alla dystyxos stin Ellada i aristera pou prepei na einai dynatoi exei apostasiopoiithei apo ta ethnika themata kai auto kanei megalo kako ston topo.

Oso gia tis exelixeis pou les  tote file mou na sou po oti to thema tis Kyprou den exei teleiosei kai ginetai akoma.
Ektos apo tous Kyprious agonistes Isaak kai Solomou skotothike kai ena palikari pilotos. Kaneis denekane tipota. An omos epianan oi astynomikoi kapoion o opoios eixe mazi tou molotof , petres ktl tha ginotan panikos gia tin tromokratia ton mpatson pouxtypisan to paidaki!!!!

Einai thema protaireotiton...

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file athinaie ektos tou oti egrapsa prin
kai epeidh egrapses gia thema proteraiothtwn tsekare ligo edw!

http://athens.indymedia.org/front.php3?lang=el&article_id=547605
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Athinaios--4

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File Galatsioti oi photos einai sokaristikes kai anatrixiazoun gia na min po oti fernoun aidia kai misos gia osous prokaloun kati tetoio.
Oso giauta pou grafontan apo kato tha po oti tetoies energeies prepei na tis katadikazoume opoios kai na tis kanei!!

Giauto se proigoumeno post mou eipa oti i ypokrisia mas einai otan katevainoume kai vrizoume tous amerikanous gia ton polemo sto Irak ( kai kala kanoume) kai parallila exymnoume ena anthropo san ton Sadam pou ekane polles vioaiotites kai autos stin xora tou.


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kaneis lathos.kaneis den htan yper tou santam
alla h allhleggyh ston lao tou irak kai tou kathe irak (servoi palestinioi livanezoi o katalogos einai megalos kai oso paei tha megalwnei perissotero.....vlepe iran syria voreios korea gia kontino mellon)

mpous-santam sto diaolo na pan htan ena synthima gia paradeigma!!

opws epishs den mporoume na paravlepsoume oti mesa sto israhl kapoioi ligoi sxetika antidroun sthn kyvernhsh tous kai vevaia to gegonos ayto pnigetai apo ola ta mme!opws kai oi prwtoi antirrhsies.....

Giauto se proigoumeno post mou eipa oti i ypokrisia mas einai otan katevainoume kai vrizoume tous amerikanous gia ton polemo sto Irak ( kai kala kanoume) kai parallila exymnoume ena anthropo san ton Sadam pou ekane polles vioaiotites kai autos stin xora tou.


me vash ta twn viaiothtwn den tha diafwnhsw.exallou exoun vgei fwtografies kai ntokoumenta pou o kyrios ramsfeld evgaine fotografies aggaliasmenos kai me gelakia me ton santam epi epoxhs mpampa mpous kai thn periodo pou ekane tis sfages tou!!!twra pws to thymhthikan oi amerikanoi to 2000+ einai na anarwtiesai!!!!

telos an kai siitiki organwsh h hesbollah,oi xristianoi ekei taxthkan anoixta yper tous!!!(yparxoun polloi xristianoi ston livano kai malista einai ypoxrewmenoi na vgazoun prwthypourgo mh mousoulmano.kai o prwthypourgos tous einai XRISTIANOS.)to oti oi israilinoi kanontas tis epitheseis tous lene oti epitithentai stous kakous mousoulmanous. aytous omws pou plhttoun einai KAI xristianoi vomvardizontas xristianikes synoikies.ayth h stash einai toulaxiston ypopth......
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http://athens.indymedia.org/front.php3?lang=el&article_id=547769
sxetika me antidraseis mesa sto israhl

arage edw pws tha antimetwpizontan????
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Athinaios--4

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Symfono apolyta se auta pou les file mou. To thema einai ti tha kanoume emeis. Kai dystyxos de mporoume na kanoume kai polla..
Pantos theoro sosti tin stasi kyvernisis kai antipoliteusis. Isos apo tis liges fores pou
 symfono mazi tous