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Athinaios--4 · « **Reply #80 on:** November 10, 2006, 13:55:38 »

Sygnomi file pou tha to po alla gia olo sou to keimeno mporo na grapso mia lexi ''aerologies''. Mporo omos na apantiso se ola.
Den einai propagnada ton MME otan kaigontai amaxia giati poly apla imoun se syllalitiria kata tou polemou kai ta evlepa mprosta mou.
Deuteron to an ekapsan to diko mou den einai logiki. Giati an einai etsi oute oi xrisaugites maxairosan emena alla pali to theoro egklimatiko.
Triton de xero ti akrivos einai i ''makedoniki '' glossa alla tha ithela na mou tin exigiseis. Apo pou proerxetai ,poia einai i vasi tis kai apo poious milietai.
Apo kei kai pera an tote esy exei provlima me ton Goumeno pare to amaxaki sou , pigaine spiti tou kai skotose ton. I an thes pare esy ton PAOK. Auti einai i apantisi me vasi ti dikia sou logiki ''mazepste lefta na kanete polemo''

euris4 · « **Reply #81 on:** November 10, 2006, 14:26:09 »

Quote from: Athinaios--4 on November 10, 2006, 13:55:38

Sygnomi file pou tha to po alla gia olo sou to keimeno mporo na grapso mia lexi ''aerologies''. Mporo omos na apantiso se ola.
Den einai propagnada ton MME otan kaigontai amaxia giati poly apla imoun se syllalitiria kata tou polemou kai ta evlepa mprosta mou.
Deuteron to an ekapsan to diko mou den einai logiki. Giati an einai etsi oute oi xrisaugites maxairosan emena alla pali to theoro egklimatiko.
Triton de xero ti akrivos einai i ''makedoniki '' glossa alla tha ithela na mou tin exigiseis. Apo pou proerxetai ,poia einai i vasi tis kai apo poious milietai.
Apo kei kai pera an tote esy exei provlima me ton Goumeno pare to amaxaki sou , pigaine spiti tou kai skotose ton. I an thes pare esy ton PAOK. Auti einai i apantisi me vasi ti dikia sou logiki ''mazepste lefta na kanete polemo''

Profanws file athinaie den katalaves akoma ti ennow. To "poioi kaine to autokinita" einai pros exetasi, to "poia autokinita" kaine(k edw exei na kanei me to diko sou...)einai episis pros exetasi, to "pws to xrisimopoioun ta media" gia na stiliteusoun i na kapelwsoun diadilwseis,aitimata,ktl einai episis pros exetasi.
Ta "makedonika" einai idiwma pou to miloun akoma kyriws ilikwmenoi, meigma ellinikwn, slavikwn k den xerw ti allwn giati egw den to gnwrizw.Boreis na to diapistwseis kanwntas mia apli volta se ellinikes perioxes(px stin aridaia kapoioi ta miloun).Einai profanws gennima tis symviwsis, epi pollwn aiwnwn, diaforwn fylwn stin idia perioxi(makedonia).To an kapoioi prospathoun na ta anasystisoun ws glwssa borume na to exetasoume apo polles skopies(glwssologiki, topikistiki, propagandistiki i apla istoriki,ktl)k kyriws na to skeftoun autoi pou diamartyrithikan ekei.Logia tou typou, apeiloun tin istoria mas k ti glwssa mas, xrizoun epixeirimatwn....
Oso gia ton polemo, nai einai dikaiwma mou, na mi thelw na symmetexw se kati sto opoio tha me emplexoun alloi, tha thesoun se ameso kindyno emena, esena, olous xwris na mpoun prwta autoi oi idioi "sti grammi tis maxis" apla sikonwntas "simaies" k krazwntas k nomizwntas oti m'auton ton tropo tha petyxoun na efarmosun tis ilithies idees tous....
Sto thema goumenou oloi symfoume fantazomai, episis den prokyrissw ti dolofonia tou(an k tin euxomai).K mallon asyndeto me to parapanw gia pollous logous.

Athinaios--4 · « **Reply #82 on:** November 10, 2006, 14:34:51 »

To poia autokinita kaigontai den katalavaino giati einai pros exetasi? Ego exo dei na kaigontai autokinita pou itan parkarismena stin Ag. Sofias. Den exei simasia poianou einai. Simasia exei oti kapoioi ta ekapsan.
Epeidi eipes gia tin Aridaia exo zisei kapoio kairo ekei kai den gnorisa kapoion na milaei periergi glossa. Mporei kai na symvainei den to arnoumai. Giati omos auti i glossa prepei na legetai ''makedoniki''? Ta makedonika apo tin arxaia Ellada itan ellinika kai fainetai apo epigrafes ,nomismata, amforeis kai polla alla.
Tora pos xafnika mpainoun ta slavika mesa den to katalavaino. Stin elliniki glossa yparxoun kai tourkikes lexeis alla paramenei elliniki i glossa. Mia dialektos ellinikon pou tyxainei na milane stin Makedonia, kai ennoo tin V.Ellada giati kapoioi katalavaino oti pleon ennooun ta skopia, de simainei oti einai diaforetiki glossa. Einai dialektos!!
Auto pou eipa gia to Goumeno den einai asxeto. Esy apantises me yfos ''an exeis provlima me ta skopia mazepste lefta kai kante polemo.''. Etsi apintisa sto idio yfos an exeis provlima me ton Goumeno pare tin omada esy.

JOHNNYS-4- · « **Reply #83 on:** November 10, 2006, 14:46:56 »

den mporw na katalabw pws kapia atoma san ton eyris ton logotheti postaroun edw apla gia na yparksh kontra!!
o enas leei afhste tous o allos lew mhn asxoleiste.. dhladh tosa xronia oi politeia mas asxoloutan me ayto to 8ema giayto perasan thn propaganda tous!!

ee re pou ftasame deite.. se ligo 8a ginetai logokrisia eis baros twn ellhwn!!

egw ena monaxa 8a pw

TIPOTA DEN XARIZETAI TA PANTA DIEKDIKOYNTE

kai ayto na to balete kala sto myalla sas!!

euris4 · « **Reply #84 on:** November 10, 2006, 15:01:38 »

Kai 'gw den eipa oti einai glwssa, alla yparxei ws idiwma k to lene makedonika i makedonitika i makedonski giati profanws gennithike stin euryteri perioxi tis makedonias(tmima tis opoias yparxei stin prwin yugoslavia k sti voulgaria). To pws mpainoun mesa ta slavika, e opws mpainoun ta ellinika stis perissoteres glwsses tou kosmou k akoma pio eukola logw tis symviwsis.Den eimai glwssologos gia na sou parathesw peraiterw stoixeia.
K ta arxaia ellinika(pou einai glwssa) yparxoun se nomsmata,amforeis,xeirografa k alles morfes katagrafis alla den einai zwntani glwssa -kata kapoio tropo- me tin ennoia oti de miliountai simera, para mono gia skopous epistimonikous,ktl.
Oso gia ta autokinita, k egw ginei martyras periptwsis opu oi mpatsoi apagoreuoun to parkarisma logw poreias,se kentriko dromo tis thessalonikis k tyxainei....tin wra tis poreias na einai parkarismeni mia mercedes....Twra an ola auta de synthetoun sto myalo sou provokatsia(enw se antistoixi periptwsi,penalty tou gay mesa stin toumpa xesikwnei senaria)....K fysika den kaine oloi autokinita giati tote de tha emene oute ena(k isws na anapneame k katharo aera)...
Gia ton polemo, to goumeno k ta skopia, tha to epanalavw.Osoi exete/exoune provlima me tous skopianous k skefteste lyseis tetoiou typou(giati graftike parapanw) boreite na spasokefaliazeste monoi sas..Arnoumai na mpw se tetoies logikes k an me thewrisete k lypotakti kanena provlima.Oso gia to goumeno k to poios tha parei tin omada, esy pou den exeis provlima mazi tou, katse k plirwne eisitirio. Egw an borusa na parw tin omada, tha tin epairna.Oloi xeroume an einai viwsimi i oxi.H diafora mou me to goumeno einai oti den xrwstaw se kanenan,den eimai lamogio,den exw politikes plates gia na boresw na mpw sto podosfairo.Aerologia einai akrivws auto pou les esy "pare tin omada"..

Athinaios--4 · « **Reply #85 on:** November 10, 2006, 15:13:19 »

Edo me vvriskeis symfono. Milame gia idioma kai gia dialekto. Otan omos kapoioi miloun gia glossa ta pragmata einai pio sovara. Giati xereis ena apo ta stoixeia pou xaaraktirizei ena ethnos os ethnos einai kai i glossa. Me auton loipon ton tropo prospathoun na dimiourgisoun ena ethnos ''makedonon'' pou den exei sxesi me Ellada kai einai apogonoi tis Arxaias Makedonias.
To na yparxei mercentes oxi den to theoro provokatsia kai oti prepei na kaigetai giati poly apla einai paranomo. DIladi tha prepei na katigorisoume auton pou evale to amaxi ekei kai oxi autous pou to ekapsan. Periergi logiki!

Ara an ginei mia sygkentrosi ethnikiston kai xafnika kata ti diarkeia tis poreias perasei enas alvanos kai ton deiroun tha ftaiei o anthropos giati perase apo kei??

LoGotHeTiS · « **Reply #86 on:** November 10, 2006, 15:23:55 »

Quote from: JOHNNYS-4- on November 10, 2006, 14:46:56

den mporw na katalabw pws kapia atoma san ton eyris ton logotheti postaroun edw apla gia na yparksh kontra!!

Απλά έγραψα 2-3 post για να καταλάβετε ότι υπάρχει κ η αντίθετη άποψη..Είπα δεν ξανακάνω post εδώ γιατί δεν έχει νόημα αυτού του είδους η αντιδικεία..Αλλά το να γράφουν 10 άτομα στην σειρά και να ευλογεί ο άλλος τα γένια του άλλου υποστηρίζοντας μια ομάδα αυγών.. (τεσπα..)
Καλά θα είναι να ακούγεται κ η άλλη άποψη..

Athinaios--4 · « **Reply #87 on:** November 10, 2006, 15:41:58 »

Scyclad kaneis lathos. Den einai to mono vivlio. Mporo na se parapempso se vivlia pou eixa sto Panteio kai ta exo edo mprosta mou tora. Apo kei kai pera gia na anafertheis se istorika symvanta prepei na perasei kapoio xroniko diastima oste na min yparxoun en zoi anthropoi. Giati auto? Giati skepsou na graftei i istoria gia ta Imia px. Tha yparxei i oxi politiki kontra? Tha ftasei diladi se politiko to thema.
Giauto ton logo ta keimena grafontai meta apo xronia oste na exei pesei i skoni kai na grafontai kato apo iremia.

Gia tous lathrometanastes to thema einai aplo. Gia diaforous logous kalo einai kathe xora na xerei posous katoikous exei sto edafos tis. Osoi loipon mpainoun paranoma , xoris na grafontai kapou einai lathrometanastes.

JOHNNYS-4- · « **Reply #88 on:** November 10, 2006, 16:02:18 »

bre toso doloma sthn ellada

eyris pas na dikaiologiseis ta adikaiologhta kai den mporw na katalabw ti skopo exeis.. thn kontra, missos, fanatismos..

paidia to 8ema einai h makedonia!! mhn ksexname oti einai ELLHNIKH !! enoxlw mipos me to ELLHNIKH? eprepe na rwthsw prwta?

Athinaios--4 · « **Reply #89 on:** November 10, 2006, 16:06:53 »

Enoxlei Johnny. Enoxlei poly oti exei sxesi me Ellada kai simaia!! Dystyxos. Mono stin Ellada simvainei auto. Na fovasai na miliseis gia ethnika themata gia na min se poun ethnikisti!!

JOHNNYS-4- · « **Reply #90 on:** November 10, 2006, 16:19:16 »

ayta blepoun oi skopianoi kai gelane me emas.. alla kai kala kanoun opws kala kanoun kai oi toyrkoi kai oi albanoi.. poly apla ta briskoun kai ta kanoun.. meta anarotiomaste pws yparxoun mpatatoudhdes,goumenh kai ypoloipa skata ston paok kai aytoi kala kanoun re paidia!! ma ola an einai trigyro skata ston paok pws mporei na mhn einai skata?! ksefragko ampeli h ellas ksefragko ampeli kai o paok !!! kai to problhma tou paok einai politiko kai oxi dioikhtiko!! eytixos sto thisispaok.com to tonizoun ayto synexeia alla yparxoun kapioi alloi pou zoune ston kosmo tous !!
einai lyphro se mia xwra opou protoemfanistike h filopatria pou xarh se aythn anaptyx8ike o pio spoudeos politismos. shmera na polemame me ka8e meso..
to 12 ksanaerxetai elpizw mono na eimaste kala proetimasmenh kai mexri tote na broume ena benizelo!!

euris4 · « **Reply #91 on:** November 10, 2006, 16:23:39 »

File tyxainei episis kathe fora pou ginontai zimies mesa se panepistimiako xwro na syndeontai "tyxaia" apo ta media k tous pefwtismenous apogonous tou swkrati, tou aristoteli k tou epatostheni, me to panepistimiako asylo k tin arsi tou. Opote afise me na pisteuw oti se tetoiou typou praxeis yparxoun synithws alloi skopoi..K fysika de giatreuetai kanena provlima me kopsimo,kremasma,ktl..O nown noeitw, den tha kanoume katathesi psyxis edw mesa.

Gia ton johnny exw na pw, oti an eixa diathesi tin kontra,to misos k to fanatismo tha xrisimiopoiousa k diaforetiko yfos k lexilogio k einai para poly eukolo. Protimw na syzitaw se iremous tonous, mono etsi odigoumaste se symperasmata. Omws poia einai ta adikaiologita pou dikaiologw?Ti to paranomo k kataxristiko eipa pou evlapse to "elliniko" dikaio re file??Gia pes giati eimai periergos..

Kai mono stin ellada symvainoun se tetoio vathmo typolatreies opws i simaia, i proseuxi sto sxoleio, i parelasi, o ypoxrewtikos stratos...

Na vroume ena venizelo k ena vasilia gia na xanapame k sti mikra asia k na gyrisei o kosmos anapoda.H filopatria den einai idio twn autoxaraktirizomenwn patriwtwn....K egw eimai filopatris alla thewrw oti stin patrida mou apo allou xekinoun ta provlimata k oxi apo to vivlio gia to makedoniko idiwma. Epeidi de symfwnw m'auto de boreis na me xaraktiriseis anthellina oute adiaforo.

Català · « **Reply #92 on:** November 10, 2006, 17:07:06 »

Quote from: skyclad4 on November 10, 2006, 15:16:24

Ola ta alla pou lete edw ta exete mpleksei ligo. Mono auto pou kopanane kati gia la8rometanastes me peirazei polu. Poios einai 'nomimos' kai pios 'la8raios' re palikaria? Pios to ka8orizei auto? Otan akouw aplo kosmo na xrhsimopoiei th leksh 'la8rometanasths' mou gurnane ta muala. Na eiste sigouroi oti oi an8rwpoi den eixan kammia oreksh na parathsoun ta spitia tous kai na r8oun sthn ellada na blepoun ta moutra sas. Oi sun8hkes tou anagasan. Sun8hkes gia tis opoies den eu8unontai kuriws autoi. Sas euxomai na mh gnwrisete pote polemo, peina kai ftwxeia gia na anagasthte na fugete apo ta spitia sas kai na breite mprosta sas amparwmena sunora. Mono etsi 8a katalabete ti einai 'la8rometanasths' alla de sas to euxomai.

nai re , oi ellhnes phgan nomima se amerikh k germania.ta aisxh pou ekanan ekei vevaia den htan toso nomima, alla afo den tous apasxolei mallon tous shmerinous amerikano8remmenous 'magges' neoellhnes...

Athinaios--4 · « **Reply #93 on:** November 10, 2006, 17:11:12 »

Catala esy pou mallon ta xereis ola gia pes mou pos pigan paranoma oi ELlines sti Ameriki otan oi elegxoi itan terastioi kai iatrikoi vevaia? Akoma kai an kapoioi pigan paranoma to katigoro kai leo oti lathos ekanan. Ego milao gia lathrometanastes apo opoiadipote xora kai an proerxontai.

euris4 · « **Reply #94 on:** November 10, 2006, 17:12:59 »

Episis file johnny, epeidi aneferes oti kapoioi theloume na xalasoume ti syzitisi sas isws.. vlepwntas oti stadiaka to megethos twn paremvasewn k i epixeirimatologia ekaterothen, auxanontai(ginetai dld syzitisi k malista se iremo tono) borw na pw oti proswpika toulaxiston ap'auto, eimai ikanopoiimenos.

JOHNNYS-4- · « **Reply #95 on:** November 10, 2006, 17:22:55 »

Quote from: euris4 on November 10, 2006, 17:12:59

Episis file johnny, epeidi aneferes oti kapoioi theloume na xalasoume ti syzitisi sas isws.. vlepwntas oti stadiaka to megethos twn paremvasewn k i epixeirimatologia ekaterothen, auxanontai(ginetai dld syzitisi k malista se iremo tono) borw na pw oti proswpika toulaxiston ap'auto, eimai ikanopoiimenos.

einai san to ghpedo.. otan arxizei kapios na krazei krazoun oloi

euris4 · « **Reply #96 on:** November 10, 2006, 17:54:44 »

Auta gia simera.Kalo sawatokyriako!Ante na dume ti tha mas afisei k auto...

Pousti goumene esy na mi to vgaleis, apo kardias sto euxomai.

Athinaios--4 · « **Reply #97 on:** November 10, 2006, 18:03:15 »

Geia sas kai apo mena paidia.Pao na asxolitho me to Football Manager. Ekei pou o Torgkele vgainei protos scorer!! Den einai alithofanes telika to 2007.
Kali synexeia paidia kai pano ap'ola ta leme filika ola auta.

imago · « **Reply #98 on:** November 10, 2006, 18:03:41 »

συγγνώμη δηλαδή αλλά τί επιχειρήματα να χρησιμοποιήσεις όταν ο αντίπαλός σου χρησιμοποιεί ιστορικά ανυπόστατους ισχυρισμούς και ψεύδεται ασύστολα όπως στην περίπτωση των σκοπιανών και των εγχώριων πεμπτοφαλλαγιτών???

Δηλαδή να γίνει μια συζήτηση σε ποιά βάση???εάν ο Μ. Αλέξανδρος ήταν Έλληνας???
Καμία συζήτηση δεν μπορεί να διεξαχθεί σε μηδενική βάση γιατί συμφέρει πρωτίστως αυτόν με το βεβαρημένο ιστορικό μητρώο.

chris · « **Reply #99 on:** November 10, 2006, 19:00:55 »

pleon 8a pesei para polly sbhstra apo emena.apo to 8ema tu topic aftou PALI phgate se alla 8emata pu YPARXOUN mesa sto forum.

sorry mages alla ta exoume 1000pei afta edo kai 4 xronia sxedon.

y.g.kana 3-4 post pu eixan sxesh me mikra asia metafer8hkan se SXETIKO topic sthn enothta SYNDESMOI

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